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 Post subject: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:03 pm 
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But I'm not going to do a match report until I calm down. We gifted those points to an average at best Forest team. Today has to be the last time that Antwi and Nelson are first choice partnership. Danny please change it they do not work together. The local radio commentator described them as 'playing statues' when the first goal went in. I wouldn't argue with that.

We had a spell in the second half when we played tippy tappy for a while without threatening but other than than it was mostly Forest.

Defence 4/10 poor
Midfield 7/10 decent
Attack 5/10 other than Barkers header we huffed and puffed without threatening.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:41 pm 
chip fireball wrote:
how did the new fella play great man ? better than mcunnie/clark or too soon to say ?


Didnt go but by the radio he was off the pace and heading for a red, early days tho


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:49 pm 
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Today has to be the last time that Antwi and Nelson are first choice partnership. Danny please change it they do not work together.



The fans have been saying that for weeks John - Mr Wilson however either can't or won't see it

We have now won ONCE in the last 6 games, FIVE points from a possible 18

Anyone out there still think we are doing ok?


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:01 pm 
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Just back (to Essex). Coles was poor - looked out of position at right back and was constantly caught out of position. Not sure if he's played recently but to me it looked like he hadn't. Very dissapointing in the first half played a lot better in the second half with James Brown playing as a lone striker up front with support on the wings from Moore & Barker. As Mr I stated we didn't look like scoring - Moore had a chance but blasted over. When they replaced one of their centre backs they tightened, up grew in confidence & got the winner. Notingham Forest didn't look that brilliant. The recent record is looking poor now & something will need to be done. Like most on here I'd have Ben Clark in the team. Surely if anyof the centre backs is to play at right back it should be Antwi as he is fast & can distribute the ball quite well, however my first choice at right back would still be Micky Barron if Wilson doesn't think that McCunnie is up to the task.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:09 pm 
McCunnie has been one of our better players of late - really don't understand why he was benched today (well apart from making way for Wilsons "new boy")


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:29 pm 
I thought Budtz was at fault for the first goal, that wasn't even a good cross he had all day to come out and catch it, the defending after that wasn't great mind.

We should have been leading at half because apart from that very soft goal Forest had done nothing to hurt us. We came out and played really well for 20 minutes after half time but didn't score Moore was denied by a good save, they had twenty minutes in the ascendancy and did score.

A decent performance but nothing to show from it. Our back four needs sorting out though because a pub team would have been disappointed with that first goal today. Coles looked like a centre back playing full back, he did OK though he was solid enough but did get caught tucking inside once or twice giving the likes of Commons too much room. I don't see how McCunnie deserved to lose his place after one average game.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:20 pm 
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I agree I'll have to be brief until I calm down.

I had a long discussion with fellow Poolies on how we lost today.

Simple answer: Midfield and up front deserved a win, defence and keeper deserved a loss.

How the hell can he drop McCunnie? How the hell can he continue to leave Clark on the bench? How the hell can Butdz stay in goal?

Moore was unlucky not to score and Barker's peformance was improved. Our midfield was as good as ever apart from Monkhouse was off the pace. The midfield deserved to win.

Did we deserve to win? My first thought was 100% yes but then it dawned on me it's a team game and it's not all about the midfield and attack. The defence plays a big role like it did last year and today it was very poor.

I still maintain that it was a VERY harsh loss but if the defence plays like that then we might as well lie down and die.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:27 pm 
Exactly Daniel, we can't keep gifting teams soft goals. Even the winner could be questioned after Jans fine save where was a blue shirt to clear the follow up?

I also thought Barker had a good game today and Moore played well. Moore should have scored first half though when he was clean through, and Liddle should have scored the near open goal from the rebound banghead


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:29 pm 
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A draw would have been a fair result today. Both teams had pretty poor defences, the occasional player with above average ability - Brown for us, Commons for them and attacks that didn't look that threatening. We lost down to being slightly sloppier at the back than Forest. I did like their "2-1 to the famous team" song, they must get hacked off with teams look us coming to their once famous ground and pointing out their reduced circumstances to them.

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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:30 pm 
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chip fireball wrote:
how did the new fella play great man ? better than mcunnie/clark or too soon to say ?



I seen nothing to tell me that this lad is better than what we already have. McCunnie on the bench was ridiculous. Ben Clark on the bench more still. As for your boy, he was excellent when he came on.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:13 pm 
Thers been a lot said about scoring goals but in all honesty I don,t think thats where the main problem is. Barker is criticised but is on track for well over 20 golas this season. Problem for me is we are gifting too many goals away. The central pairing haven't gelled and there isn't a lot of confidence in the keeper. We have to tighten up at the back and the results will come.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:14 pm 
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Absolutely true. To win away we need to score three goals currently. Thats a lot to ask game in game out.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:02 pm 
It's harsh to blame Humphreys for the second, he was left isolated one on one with Commons, one of the best players in the division he got past him with a good piece of skill.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:03 pm 
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I'd guess that if they haven't had a bust up already they will do soon.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:34 pm 
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Hawklord wrote:
I'd guess that if they haven't had a bust up already they will do soon.


Is Rocky 2 on the cards? rolfl


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:35 pm 
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chip fireball wrote:
the bloke on sky reckoned we had the better of the second half but had no cutting edge, and he reckoned forest walked through our defence for the winner past some poor challenges.

reading the match report in the footie echo the bloke from the mail pulled no punches. he layed into nelson and antwi for the first and humps for the second.

anyone else starting to think clark and wilson must have had a bust up ?


That about sums it up, as Mr.I says, we need three to win and we don't have the front line to get them.

More precisely, we don't have the front line on the pitch to get them.
No disrespect to Foley, but to put him on for Brown when Joel's on the bench was absolutely shocking.
Joel for Brown, Foley for Moore (on the right) would have been a better call.

Also, why replace Coles with McCunnie and then drop Liddle to right back and play McCunnie in midfield.

Mr. Wilson is losing the plot !

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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:39 pm 
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After all that switching everyone was confused and surprise surprise.... they scored.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:40 pm 
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PJ_Poolie wrote:
It's harsh to blame Humphreys for the second, he was left isolated one on one with Commons, one of the best players in the division he got past him with a good piece of skill.



It was his job to stop him. He didn't even get close. I make no secret of the fact that I don't really rate him but there's not much to choose between him and Elliott. Personally I'd put Clark and Nelson in the middle and try Antwi at left back.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:43 pm 
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Mr I wrote:
PJ_Poolie wrote:
It's harsh to blame Humphreys for the second, he was left isolated one on one with Commons, one of the best players in the division he got past him with a good piece of skill.



It was his job to stop him. He didn't even get close. I make no secret of the fact that I don't really rate him but there's not much to choose between him and Elliott. Personally I'd put Clark and Nelson in the middle and try Antwi at left back.


Coles can play anywhere along the back 4, does that include left back. If so why not stick Coles there...

But dropping McCunnie was mental.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:44 pm 
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It's worth a try. God I'm depressed !


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:21 am 
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Am I right in thinking Coles is naturally left footed?

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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:11 pm 
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chip fireball wrote:

why doesnt he just stop signing more defenders and do what he said he was going to do at the end of last season and give the players that got us promoted last season a chance to prove themselves ?


We'd all like to know the answer to that one Chip

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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:21 pm 
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I have to admit to being very, very disappointed by our defeat yesterday, but even when it was 1-1, I was thinking to myself,"I wonder what minute they will go 2-1 up"?
Sad indictment on our inability to keep teams out, and not capitalise when we're on top, but true all the same.
Sadder still, Hartlepool will never ever win at a big ground like that. Cursed, whatever you want to call it, but true.
Swansea match already looks like a home banker just for that statistic alone!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
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parmopooly wrote:
Swansea match already looks like a home banker just for that statistic alone!!!!


We did draw at Swansea last time though


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:55 pm 
[quote="parmopooly"]I have to admit to being very, very disappointed by our defeat yesterday, but even when it was 1-1, I was thinking to myself,"I wonder what minute they will go 2-1 up"?
Sad indictment on our inability to keep teams out, and not capitalise when we're on top, but true all the same.
Sadder still, Hartlepool will never ever win at a big ground like that. Cursed, whatever you want to call it, but true.
Swansea match already looks like a home banker just for that statistic alone!!!![/quote]

dont be saying that bud im meant to be going sadx


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we just know it though, don't we? We predict gallant wins, but once the match kicks off that familiar expectation of our net bulging at least twice before we have a decent attack ourselves, hits home hard!!!!! sadx sadx sadx sadx sadx sadx sadx

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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:06 pm 
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Also, why replace Coles with McCunnie and then drop Liddle to right back and play McCunnie in midfield.

Mr. Wilson is losing the plot !


Were you not watching?

Coles went down in a heap with cramp about two minutes before he was subbed, he had to come off. No way would Wilson have messed with the back four at 1-1 if it wasn't forced. The winner had nothing to do with the change at right back, it was actually a good piece of interplay from Agogo and Commons in the middle of the park.

"Mr Wilson is losing the plot" :roll: :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
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parmopooly wrote:
. . . . . . . Sadder still, Hartlepool will never ever win at a big ground like that. Cursed, whatever you want to call it, but true.
Swansea match already looks like a home banker just for that statistic alone!!!!


That's interesting - I'd never thought of that before, but now we are playing some clubs with large followings it seems true.
I don't know if MJ or any of the other statisticians out there know, what is the biggest crowd Hartlepool have won against, in say the last 10 - 15 years? Just guessing that the Tranmere play off victory was one of our biggest at home in recent years.


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 Post subject: Re: I guess I'm first back
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:32 pm 
I think your question has been answered by MadJohn in the "So what do we reckon then" thread mate.


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PJ_Poolie wrote:
I think your question has been answered by MadJohn in the "So what do we reckon then" thread mate.


Sorry - I thought that thread was about International Playboys and as I'm not in Kev's league I didn't finish the thread. :uhoh:


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