Here we go again.

[Sussex UK]

You'd have thought the Housing Minister and Deputy PM would know all about the in's and out's of Stamp Duty.. https://news.sky.com/story/angela-rayne ... g-13424180

[paulus the woodgnome and a side salad]

I'm looking forward to the by-election in her patch, should be interesting.

[Snowy]

She’ll be standing in Hove won’t she…..?

[PTID]

Now now folks, and honest mistakes - Sir Keir said so, she was given wrong legal advice. Why was the house put in trust unless it was to avoid tax?
Feck me it was those Tory's fault if all the other excuses fail.
Labour sleaze is as bad as Tory sleaze, she'll probably lose her job over this but not her pension rights and other perks.

[kevin pooles gloves]

Roll on 29.
We Reform United.
We never be defeated.

Super Nige Gunna have his Freedom of Speech speech soon.
Let's end this absolute nonsense Starmers created.

Say what ya think.
Let's av it.

[Jamie1952]

Roll on 29.
We Reform United.
We never be defeated.

Super Nige Gunna have his Freedom of Speech speech soon.
Let's end this absolute nonsense Starmers created.

Say what ya think.
Let's av it.

Where is super Nige now, he is in the States for what ? Rayner put her property into trust to avoid Inheritance Tax, not illegal,Reform are going to abolish it, it brought £7 billion in revenue last year, how are Reform going to fill that black hole, who is that going to benefit, not the working class as not many have an estate worth more than £325000.

Super Kev you need to read up on Reforms agenda before spouting off about super Nige, his side kick Richard Tice made an impassioned plea in 2022 for Britain to end restrictions on climate-wrecking shale gas, he hit out at ministers raising taxes while they “send money overseas”. but it was revealed that Tice had previously sent his own money out of the UK, transferring shares worth millions into an offshore family trust
Rayner might be guilty and I won’t defend her but compared to Tice it was small fry compared to the millions Tice salted away to avoid tax.

[kevin pooles gloves]

Roll on 29.
We Reform United.
We never be defeated.

Super Nige Gunna have his Freedom of Speech speech soon.
Let's end this absolute nonsense Starmers created.

Say what ya think.
Let's av it.

Where is super Nige now, he is in the States for what ? Rayner put her property into trust to avoid Inheritance Tax, not illegal,Reform are going to abolish it, it brought £7 billion in revenue last year, how are Reform going to fill that black hole, who is that going to benefit, not the working class as not many have an estate worth more than £325000.

Super Kev you need to read up on Reforms agenda before spouting off about super Nige, his side kick Richard Tice made an impassioned plea in 2022 for Britain to end restrictions on climate-wrecking shale gas, he hit out at ministers raising taxes while they “send money overseas”. but it was revealed that Tice had previously sent his own money out of the UK, transferring shares worth millions into an offshore family trust
Rayner might be guilty and I won’t defend her but compared to Tice it was small fry compared to the millions Tice salted away to avoid tax.

You don't get to tell other posters what to say.
Your worse than Starmer.
Freedom of Speech to me and others.
We don't need your seal of approval.

Have a few bottles of lager while watching Pools tonite.

[PTID]

Whatever Tice did is as legal as what Rayners did. The difference is that Rayner didn't just use the Trust thing to avoid tax, she evaded tax by way of Stamp Duty which she denied but now acknowledges as being correct but obviously not her fault.
Another huge difference is that Rice is not a Government Minister/ Deputy PM. I'd say what Rayner has done is far worse, but probably the fault of 14 years of Tory rule, or future years of Reform rule, it certainly won't be her fault as nothing seems to stick with brass-necked shower.

[Jamie1952]

Whatever Tice did is as legal as what Rayners did. The difference is that Rayner didn't just use the Trust thing to avoid tax, she evaded tax by way of Stamp Duty which she denied but now acknowledges as being correct but obviously not her fault.
Another huge difference is that Rice is not a Government Minister/ Deputy PM. I'd say what Rayner has done is far worse, but probably the fault of 14 years of Tory rule, or future years of Reform rule, it certainly won't be her fault as nothing seems to stick with brass-necked shower.

Tice is a government official, an MP, Deputy Leader of Reform, Rayner was wrongly advised, she intially paid the ‘correct’, her mistake was she still had an interest in the trust created for her other house. She is no tax expert and I doubt she knows the ins and outs of stamp duty but she has no choice but to resign for me, the MSM will ‘milk it’ for what it’s worth.

[dstanley5]

If she can show that the 'advice' was from a bonafide tax advisor who made a genuine mistake then she should remain in post. However if the 'advice'' was from an unqualified Joe Bloggs she shound go!

[PTID]

How can an opposition MP be a government official? There's one party in government in our democracy and Tice isn't part of it - he's 100% against the present government FFS.
And of course it was an honest mistake, she wasn't trying to avoid or evade tax in any way shape or form, and the moon's made of cheese too.
She's considered resigning so she knows she's fecked, support from 2 Tier the master of the U Turn will soon disappear.

[Mr Irrelevant]

Serves her right for taking financial advise from Dianne Abbot.

[accrington fan]

more or less she has done what most of us id not all would have done in the same circumstances. many say that we should expect better from our MP.s. why when they lie as much as possible and avoid answering a simple question.

[Jamie1952]

Now she has resigned we can turn our attention to Farage, why he is in The Stares sporting a GB News lapel badge and not a Union Jack one. The MSM have turned a blind eye to his visit missing the opening day in Parliament, the difference is he is being asked questions the U.K. MSM never ask him, check YouTube about for the interviews if interested.
Tice now saying Reform may need to think their £90 million tax cuts,
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg0wrww8j4o

[PTID]

Why change our attention to a minority opposition party leader though Jamie?
Never mind Reform and the fact that they may one day form a government, our attention should be on the government of the day.
14 years of Tory corruption and sleaze is rapidly being caught up by Labour in what 14 months?

[Jamie1952]

Why change our attention to a minority opposition party leader though Jamie?
Never mind Reform and the fact that they may one day form a government, our attention should be on the government of the day.
14 years of Tory corruption and sleaze is rapidly being caught up by Labour in what 14 months?

In less than 6 months Reform have ‘lost’ at least 15 councillors costing the local tax payers 1000s of pounds for new elections.

As far as sleaze is concerned Reform are no different from the rest raking in 1 million pounds in second jobs and gifts.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/revealed-refo ... 21177.html

Revealed in The Daily Mail an organiser of campaign to fly Union Jacks and England flags on Britain's streets was previously jailed over a plot to smuggle illegal immigrants into the country

[PTID]

Which bit don't you get? Labour are in government and in just over a year Starmers freebies have come to light, a cabinet minister resigned because she was a convicted fraudster, the minister for homelessness evicting tenants so she could put rents up - resigned, an MP convicted of assault on a constituent - resigned, Rayner evading tax, etc etc
This is the government of the day, not a bunch of wanabees.
Every fecking thread you contribute to becomes an attack on Farage / Reform, Trump, Truss, 14 years of Tory government. The mess that we're in is Labours to own.

[PTID]

Oops forgot to mention Brexit - before you do.

[Sussex UK]

Now she has resigned we can turn our attention to Farage, why he is in The Stares sporting a GB News lapel badge and not a Union Jack one. The MSM have turned a blind eye to his visit

Whoaaa!! Hang on,we haven't finished with Rayner yet.. Just wait till Nigel gets back he'll have something to say about it all..

[PTID]

Nigel's back for party conference, bet that's a hoot!
I'll bet Starmer's got more air miles in the last 12 months than Nigel too. Starmer was swanning off with the coalition of the willing for ages while the shit was hitting the fan on home shores.
Starmer's in a real hole now as I reckon the unions to be pushing for a real left winger to become deputy PM whereas Starmer will be wondering if there's any illegals who could fit the bill - female, trans, multiple amputee, ethnic minority, all essentials too.

[Snowy]

Jamie you’re making it worse for yourself.
People have their own opinions, they draw their own conclusions.

[Snowy]

If she can show that the 'advice' was from a bonafide tax advisor who made a genuine mistake then she should remain in post. However if the 'advice'' was from an unqualified Joe Bloggs she shound go!

The company she used have stated they gave her no advice on tax.

[derwent]

It is becoming more and more obvious that the Labour party were not ready for Government. Before the election I focussed on their promise of change. What I asked was, We all want change but will it be change for the better???
I think we have our answer.
I wouldn't trust them to change a tyre.

[PTID]

A tyre, they struggle to change their minds.
How many of her peer group came out in support of poor Ang who made an easy mistake? She knew she's bent, they knew she's bent, and we all (mostly) knew she's bent. I hope the tax man comes down in her for tax evasion now, as they would for the likes of us.
Ignorance is no excuse, and if she had any integrity whatsoever she would've resigned immediately, or Starmer should have suspended her immediately as a minimum but probably sacked her if she refused to resign. The question now is should she stand down as an MP?

[derwent]

A tyre, they struggle to change their minds.
How many of her peer group came out in support of poor Ang who made an easy mistake? She knew she's bent, they knew she's bent, and we all (mostly) knew she's bent. I hope the tax man comes down in her for tax evasion now, as they would for the likes of us.
Ignorance is no excuse, and if she had any integrity whatsoever she would've resigned immediately, or Starmer should have suspended her immediately as a minimum but probably sacked her if she refused to resign. The question now is should she stand down as an MP?

It would be a better idea if the whole fecking lot of them stood down, before something serious happens in the country.

[PTID]

I see Starmer has now chucked the pack of cards in the air and given them a new job regardless of if they're likely to be any more competent in the new job than they were earlier today.
We desperately need a new coalition UK first government, party politics has ruined democracy in our soon to be 3rd world nation.
Never mind only 4 years or so before they have to go to the polls - will they last that long?

[Snowy]

Starmer’s like a woman whose put her make up on in a blackout and the lights have come on and sees the regrettable result in daylight.

[kevin pooles gloves]

On the radar for a 27 g e

Lets have it.
Get that pay rise earlier.

Fcuk off Jamie in advance.

[Sussex UK]

Mastermind's David Lammy steps up for the job...i think we'll be seeing a General Election sooner than we think.

[Sussex UK]

[

Where is super Nige now, he is in the States for what ? /quote]




There's a lovely photo of Nigel and Donald together smiling and having a laugh, Trump knows a winner!!

[Snowy]

Mastermind's David Lammy steps up for the job...i think we'll be seeing a General Election sooner than we think.

That Masternind appearance still makes me laugh.

[Jamie1952]

Which bit don't you get? Labour are in government and in just over a year Starmers freebies have come to light, a cabinet minister resigned because she was a convicted fraudster, the minister for homelessness evicting tenants so she could put rents up - resigned, an MP convicted of assault on a constituent - resigned, Rayner evading tax, etc etc
This is the government of the day, not a bunch of wanabees.
Every fecking thread you contribute to becomes an attack on Farage / Reform, Trump, Truss, 14 years of Tory government. The mess that we're in is Labours to own.

A convicted fraudster, I don’t remember Rayner going to court and get sentenced ?

[Jamie1952]

Reform are a one trick pony, take Farage away and what would they be with out him, he walked away before and left Tice in charge. Farage soon realised that Tice wasn’t upto the job and took over again.

Farage slagging off Rayner is a bit like the pot calling kettle black, he said he ‘bought’ a house in Clacton when in fact it was his girlfriend who bought it, £900000. By doing this he avoided paying £44000 in Stamp Duty.

Farage has given two contradictory versions of the purchase. One that he bought it and the other that his girlfriend owns it. If the second one is correct then he has ­engineered a massive saving on stamp duty, larger than the one that forced Angela Rayner to resign.

[Snowy]

You are criticising the unproven next political act on stage’s performance, while looking the other way at the disaster unfolding before your very eyes which you choose to ignore.
Your Tory’s are like cats in a sack and Labour are like a cheap airline falling apart in mid air.
You’re swimming against the tide, no one’s listening.

[Sussex UK]

Farages partner bought and owns a property in Clacton,Jamie.

[PTID]

Jamie the convicted fraudster was the Minister for Transport I think, convicted of fraud over a mobile phone she claimed had been stolen, I never said it was Rayner. And I must have missed another because in a little over a year there's been 5 cabinet resignations due to wrongdoing (and in some cases illegal actions).
Must be some kind of record from the Party that was going to clean up the sleaze in politics I'd say.

[Rinkender]

Farages partner bought and owns a property in Clacton,Jamie.

Yeah I remember when he said he owned a property in Clacton, just a little white perfectly legal lie, he’s good at them.

[Snowy]

Farages partner bought and owns a property in Clacton,Jamie.

Yeah I remember when he said he owned a property in Clacton, just a little white perfectly legal lie, he’s good at them.

Legal…..you say….end of argument.

[Rinkender]

Farages partner bought and owns a property in Clacton,Jamie.

Yeah I remember when he said he owned a property in Clacton, just a little white perfectly legal lie, he’s good at them.

Legal…..you say….end of argument.

I’m not sure silly cow Rayner did anything illegal but I’m no expert.

One thing is for certain whenever any politician makes an ‘honest mistake’ it’s never one where they’ve overpaid tax.

[PTID]

It'll depend on if the taxman decides to make an example and go after her to determine legality.
Big issue with gobby Rayner was when in opposition she constantly shouted for every Tory miscreant to be sacked when they did anything suspect yet expected to lie and bluff her way to keep her job when the boot was on the other foot.
Minister for Housing - doesn't pay correct taxes in association with house-buying.
Minister for the homeless - made people homeless to increase her income from rental property.
Minister for Corruption - corrupt.
Minister for Transport - convicted insurance fraudster.
Doesn't read well at all does it?

[accrington fan]

It'll depend on if the taxman decides to make an example and go after her to determine legality.
Big issue with gobby Rayner was when in opposition she constantly shouted for every Tory miscreant to be sacked when they did anything suspect yet expected to lie and bluff her way to keep her job when the boot was on the other foot.
Minister for Housing - doesn't pay correct taxes in association with house-buying.
Minister for the homeless - made people homeless to increase her income from rental property.
Minister for Corruption - corrupt.
Minister for Transport - convicted insurance fraudster.
Doesn't read well at all does it?

it has only took labour 14 months to do all that where the tories had 14 years for there corrupt politicians to be found out.

[Splod]

There is no way there will be a general election in 2027 as Farage said yesterday. A party that has a stonking majority but is so far behind in the polls is going to hope that something/anything happens to turn around their position. I'm afraid that we've got this lot until 2029.

[accrington fan]

Mastermind's David Lammy steps up for the job...i think we'll be seeing a General Election sooner than we think.

lammy, the thinking mans sadiq khan. no chance of a general election before the last day they are allowed to call one unless by a miracle things get better. in football terms its like predicting we will be playing darlo in a league 1 play off final in 2029.

[Sussex UK]

Somebody today likened Starmers reshuffle of his cabinet to that of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[accrington fan]

There is no way there will be a general election in 2027 as Farage said yesterday. A party that has a stonking majority but is so far behind in the polls is going to hope that something/anything happens to turn around their position. I'm afraid that we've got this lot until 2029.

the only ways you,ll get an early election is if they either expect to win or things have gone down the pan so much they,ll not be bothered serving more years after it. its hard to imagine things getting that much worse.

[accrington fan]

Somebody today likened Starmers reshuffle of his cabinet to that of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

and when it hits the iceberg there will be shouts of all ethnic and sexual minorities first.

[Splod]

The biggest disappointment with Starmer's reshuffle is the people he thinks are doing a good job and he left in place - Reeves and Milliband

[PTID]

Didn't think of that one but wow!!

[Poolie27]

Reform are just the Tory party. Loads of Tory members in their now and look what they did. Billions of dodgy deals .......

[Poolie27]

Reform are just the Tory party. Loads of Tory members in their now and look what they did. Billions of dodgy deals .......