Rewind 3 months and the forecast for October to December was to come down slightly.
06:55 this morning forecast a 1% rise on BBC website.

It went to exactly what I predicted up to 2%.

Never mind excuse its complete piss Takeing Greedy.
Highest energy prices in the world.

How we need a leader like Trump.
No one takes the piss out of him.
His speech yesterday was quality.
Always backs up what he says unlike the absolute muppet we got for the next 4 years.

[quote="kevin pooles gloves"]Rewind 3 months and the forecast for October to December was to come down slightly.
06:55 this morning forecast a 1% rise on BBC website.

It went to exactly what I predicted up to 2%.

Never mind excuse its complete piss Takeing Greedy.
Highest energy prices in the world.

How we need a leader like Trump.
No one takes the piss out of him.
His speech yesterday was quality.
Always backs up what he says unlike the absolute muppet we got for the next 4 years.[/quote


No one takes the piss out of Trump, you must have missed his meeting with Putin, always does what he says so why is nicknamed TACO . 79 years old heading in the same direction as Biden with his poor health and getting names mixed up.
Doesn’t matter who is in power, energy suppliers are mostly foreign owned, prices will keep going up to keep the share holders happy. Ok tax their profits but they will just add it on to the price.
The majority of the U.K. energy needs were privatised in the 80s with selling off of North Sea Oil and Gas and the closing of the pits meaning we have to rely on foreign suppliers.

Warm Home Discount!!

Has anyone else noticed this?

The government have made much noise about more lower income houses being able to claim it but what they keep quiet is that everyone else pays for it. It puts £17 on to most people’s bills.

Are you a shareholder rubbing 2 sticks together to generate heat old Tarzanlad.

The way energy prices are going in the U.K. some people will need to rub 2 sticks together to generate heat, currently 30c so no heat required.
The government here control energy prices not private companies including petrol and diesel.

94f in me beer garden Monday
Thermometer on the east side.

And it's not going to get any better ever. All these new green clean energy production companies are privately owned and the majority are foreign owned.
It's a national disgrace that our key utilities are not nationally controlled, or at least owned by UK companies.

A case of having to pay more for a policy nobody had the chance to vote on and doubt many would given the chance unless they were rich enough to pay the bills without a worry.

Allowing our essential utilities and industries to be sold off to foreigners or left to fold was stupidity at best and probably treasonous.
We're in hock now to foreigners not only for prices of energy, but supply too.

We have only ourselves to blame with the sell off of the utility companies, remember the TV advert ‘Tell Sid’, every one was encouraged to own their little share of British Gas. Yes the public did, I didn’t then when they made a profit sold their few hundred shares only to be’ mopped up’ by the big financial institutions.

We sold off our gas and oil and buried over 300 years of coal reserves in the 80’s, yet neither Conservatives or Labour did anything to reverse this flog it off culture ( forget the useless Lib Dem’s)
We have Mr Green Millibean telling us we’ll be self sufficient, but as all the solar panels and wind turbines are produced abroad, we are totally at the mercy of foreign business’s …hardly self sufficient if they can turn off their equipment supplies to us if it suits them.

We get all our priorities all wrong in the U.K., foreign businesses are screwing us over but all we do is fly a few flags and protest outside hotels encouraged by Farage making outrageous statements about how many illegals he is going to remove but to where. Afghanistan has been mentioned, the U.K. are going to pay the Taliban terrorist regime millions to take a few illegals back.
Ask him about the year in year out increase in Council Tax, Utilitiy prices etc and you wouldn't get an answer, he is a one trick pony, all he ever mentions is immigration immigration etc as nothing ever exists in his mindset.

Farage wasn’t and never has beenin power when all these things happened, try directing any spare bile in the direction of the Lab/Con clowns, the real ‘architects’ of our dilemma.

Farage wasn’t and never has been in power when all these things happened, try directing any spare bile in the direction of the Lab/Con clowns, the real ‘architects’ of our dilemma.

Exactly, Starmer is a multi-trick pony isn't he - smash the gangs, bring energy prices down, grow the economy, sort out the cost of living, put more money in our pockets, etc etc
Ready for the glue factory after a year FFS
Farage couldn't do any worse could he?

I can’t disagree about the 2 other parties, one in power for 14 years did nowt to stop the boats apart from the failed Rwanda scheme costing the U.K. tax payers 700 million pounds. The other party one a year in and nothing has changed. The Tories never negotiated a return deal with EU, Labour have this one in one out providing the French are prepared to accept the swop, waste of time.It’s a case of shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, no one has a solution.

Farage only gets so much screen time because the current topic is how to stop the boats, he never mentions how he is going to fix the economy or the NHS although he has mentioned to make it insurance based like the States meaning if you can’t afford the premiums tough sh**. Farage can rant as much as he likes but in 4 years how many will arrive and his threats isn’t going to stop them.

What should have been done, hindsight is great is ‘detention camps’ being built, what was wrong with the Bibby Stockholm, if it was good enough for housing construction workers during the construction of a gas plant in the Orkney Islands ?

In the year ending June 2024, the UK granted protection or other leave to 67,978 people following an asylum application, nearly the population of Hartlepool. 37000 people arrived on boats. The latest statistics for the year ending June 2025 showing 51,997 grants compared to 28000 arriving on boats.
It would appear wether you arrive legally or illegally you get granted asylum.

The turn out at the last election and the fact we got what we were led to believe was the least worst PM. It's quite obvious if there was an election tomorrow we'd get the least worst option again and it wouldn't be Starmer or Badenoch.
Boris spaffed a huge majority and Starmer has done the same but on steroids. The "there's no money left" note will be left again after this government but I'm afraid we might be beyond the point of no-return by then.

Boris was an opportunist and also fortunate enough to have Corbyn in charge of the Labour Party…..hence the landslide…but appeared to lose interest after a short time, like a kid whose batteries have ran out for his radio controlled toy car on Xmas Day…….. with Covid causing even more chaos………followed by the Tory Party going into kamikaze mode by having it’s own civil war.
Along comes Starmer who had it on a plate and proceeded to drill holes in his lifeboat and then wonder where the water was coming from,…does anyone wonder why we’re in a mess….?

Don't forget the £1500 a year in the pocket for full time workers ya crank.

Is that to pay for your Health Insurance ie working you get your NHS, not working you get nowt?

What £1500 for what ?

I don't get this £1500 either. What's he on about?

Another I'll informed debate . To lower prices the link to marginal gas costs needs to be broken because that drives the cost of electricity. Ironically the more we go green the greater the chance prices will reduce.Gas and oil are running out especially in our waters.

Another I'll informed debate . To lower prices the link to marginal gas costs needs to be broken because that drives the cost of electricity. Ironically the more we go green the greater the chance prices will reduce.Gas and oil are running out especially in our waters.

Still waiting for an explanation about the £1500 ?

When there is too much wind power, operators must turn down or shut off wind turbines (curtailment) to prevent grid overload, the U.K. has no system to store the excess power.. Wind farms are paid a "constraint payment" to turn off their turbines, a cost that amounts to millions of pounds each day.
These costs are increasing year-on-year, reaching over £500 million by mid-2025, These payments are ultimately funded by consumers through their electricity bills, adding to the total cost of energy. This situation leads to a massive waste of cheap, clean renewable energy that could otherwise power millions of homes.

They’re building their green future on imported equipment when their first step should have been to produce it in this country so we can’t be held to ransom by foreign suppliers who can turn it off at will.
Prices in this country are the victim of excessive taxation of fuels to Joe Public who picks up the bill….not forgetting the ‘green’ subsides which would make most of the windmills and solar panels commercially impractical..

Income tax thresholds going up to £20000 before you pay tax.
Also means no tax to pay on future State Pension from 29 but Labour will probably up the Tax threshold in 28 for a lifeline but they will of done to much damage by then.

Do keep up with the news in future.

Foreign companies and their shareholders reaping the benefits and holding the keys to our energy security. Sounds like a great strategy doesn't it? Especially when we're surrounded by vast quantities of coal, gas, and oil - a greater focus could be on cleaning up fossil fuel burning, looks at how clean diesel cars are compared to say 20 years ago.
Also how come the world wasn't warming up at record levels during the smoggy days of the industrial revolution?
On top of that ridiculous amounts of taxes on energy - remember when vat was introduced as a tax in luxuries, since when has energy been a luxury?
Further, reducing farmland for these huge solar farms means importing more food products, how green is that? And the overseas farmers and producers and logistics companies reap the benefits and set our prices.
Like him or not we need a Trump type leader who will put Britain first instead of these ideologists who put globalism, at the expense of our country and population, at the top of their priorities.

We get all our priorities all wrong in the U.K., foreign businesses are screwing us over but all we do is fly a few flags and protest outside hotels encouraged by Farage making outrageous statements about how many illegals he is going to remove but to where. Afghanistan has been mentioned, the U.K. are going to pay the Taliban terrorist regime millions to take a few illegals back.
Ask him about the year in year out increase in Council Tax, Utilitiy prices etc and you wouldn't get an answer, he is a one trick pony, all he ever mentions is immigration immigration etc as nothing ever exists in his mindset.[/quote]

Don't forget the £1500 a year in the pocket for full time workers ya crank. [/quote]

What £1500 for what ?[/quote]


I don't get this £1500 either. What's he on about?[/quote]


Still waiting for an explanation about the £1500 ?[/quote]

Income tax thresholds going up to £20000 before you pay tax.
Also means no tax to pay on future State Pension from 29 but Labour will probably up the Tax threshold in 28 for a lifeline but they will of done to much damage by then.

Do keep up with the news in future.[/quote]


Who is going to pay for the new tax rates, your blinkered by Reform same as their stop the boats scheme, can you name any of the other Reforms policies. It would cause a £50 billion blackhole, Farage is a city financier his mates are all billionaires/millionaires, he is full of hot air pretending he favours the working class by drinking pints. Just wait till you have to start looking for a policy to cover your health after Farage has privatised the NHS.
He has already done a TACO over the arrivals, before every one was being sent including women and children now he says they won’t. That won’t be on GB News or in The Mail or The Express.
Have a read at this link and see who would be better off
https://news.sky.com/story/reform-uks-t ... s-13156776

Don't forget the £1500 a year in the pocket for full time workers ya crank. [/quote]

What £1500 for what ?[/quote]


I don't get this £1500 either. What's he on about?[/quote]


Still waiting for an explanation about the £1500 ?[/quote]

Income tax thresholds going up to £20000 before you pay tax.
Also means no tax to pay on future State Pension from 29 but Labour will probably up the Tax threshold in 28 for a lifeline but they will of done to much damage by then.

Do keep up with the news in future.[/quote]


Who is going to pay for the new tax rates, your blinkered by Reform same as their stop the boats scheme, can you name any of the other Reforms policies. It would cause a £50 billion blackhole, Farage is a city financier his mates are all billionaires/millionaires, he is full of hot air pretending he favours the working class by drinking pints. Just wait till you have to start looking for a policy to cover your health after Farage has privatised the NHS.
He has already done a TACO over the arrivals, before every one was being sent including women and children now he says they won’t. That won’t be on GB News or in The Mail or The Express.[/quote]

So you don't want workers to be better off because you miss out.

Debate this again in 29.

End of chat from West Europe kid.

Trump and Farage have feck all influence on UK energy prices, the shambles is all made here in the UK. An island nation that doesn't control it's own essential utilities, can't control it's borders, manufactures feck all, grows and produces next to feck all - there's only one way this ends and it's us running to the wealthier nations, those that have put their own interests first, with the begging bowls.
The immediate problems for the UK don't belong to Trump or Farage they are the sole responsibility of our present government and that is so scary. Stop bashing Trump and Farage on every thread Jamie and open your eyes to what Starmer is doing to our country today.

Kev, answer the question on how this is paid for? Farmer Farage wants to cut £150 million from Govt expenditure, that's 25%. That means huge increases in private health care costs and going back to the 1945.They've also said the Triple Lock has to be broken. You must have plenty of money because this will hit 65 million people badly.

At some point the triple lock will be broken.

It's a mathematical fact that it is financially unsustainable.

it could be ended today if food gas and electricity prices were reduced and we got rid of the green agenda at the same time. never mind smash the gangs smash the greenies first.

What £1500 for what ?[/quote]


I don't get this £1500 either. What's he on about?[/quote]


Still waiting for an explanation about the £1500 ?[/quote]

Income tax thresholds going up to £20000 before you pay tax.
Also means no tax to pay on future State Pension from 29 but Labour will probably up the Tax threshold in 28 for a lifeline but they will of done to much damage by then.

Do keep up with the news in future.[/quote]


Who is going to pay for the new tax rates, your blinkered by Reform same as their stop the boats scheme, can you name any of the other Reforms policies. It would cause a £50 billion blackhole, Farage is a city financier his mates are all billionaires/millionaires, he is full of hot air pretending he favours the working class by drinking pints. Just wait till you have to start looking for a policy to cover your health after Farage has privatised the NHS.
He has already done a TACO over the arrivals, before every one was being sent including women and children now he says they won’t. That won’t be on GB News or in The Mail or The Express.[/quote]

So you don't want workers to be better off because you miss out.

Debate this again in 29.

End of chat from West Europe kid.[/quote]

Everybody wants to be better off but Farage doesn’t say how he is going to fund it.

Who said Trump and Farage have an influence on energy prices ?

He can’t, all he has is the £20000 implanted in his brain and no idea how it’s going to be funded.

FFS!!
Starmer told us we'd be better off and how he'd fund it, we're not and the so called "black hole" is growing fast. Farage ain't going to get a chance for another 4 years or so, whingeing about what might happen in the future while our present is going down the pan is fecking mental!! Get a grip now!!!

2026 pensions could rise between £480 and £538, no government dare stop it although the Farage loving voters don’t realise Reform will.

So The Labour Party are going to make us better off after only just over a year in power, were you expecting huge tax cuts and an increase in your salary, PTID stick to footy you don’t have much idea how politics work.

Who said Trump and Farage have an influence on energy prices ?

Well why did you bring Farage into the discussion then? You manage to get a dig against either Farage or Trump or both into every thread yet seems blinded to the fact that most of today's problems are down to our own governments not someone who's never been in government or another country's president.

Jamie they're over a year in and no I didn't expect tax cuts or a huge salary increase, I'm not a Dr or a Railworker who've all had massive increases of did you miss that? I'm a pensioner who's worse off and guess what Starmer never told us he'd be hitting the poorest and most vulnerable hardest did he - 40000 early deaths predicted if WFA was taken away, guess who predicted that, the Labour Party themselves.
As for a grasp on politics, give me a break, you're living in a foreign bubble reliant on the biased news sources you choose to watch with your selectiveness blocking out any real stuff that doesn't fit your ideals. I'll be quite honest, I trust no politician and am one of the floating voters.

PTID I am also a pensioner I worked in the engineering/construction industry all my life some lucrative contacts others it was take it or leave it. I only claimed JSA a couple of times, not worth the hassle with the DWP chasing me up to look for work which they couldn’t provide. My jobs were all word of mouth and being in the loop.
I would suggest you start looking at YouTube channels, not all them fit my ideals, plenty of individual journalists with different views but not governed by the owners of a TV Channel or newspaper.
Going back to Farage, only one newspaper had the headlines, The Daily Mirror, flip flop Farage, re his stance on sending women and children back,it was buried in the others.

facts are that pensuoners receive an amount those of 25 years can only dream of from the state but are worse off because of the cost of just living where you need food to eat and some form of heating. cannot ever remember my parents having to worry about putting the light and heat on or shopping around for food more than they did when they were in work.

Difference was there was no supermarkets or utility companies controlled by shareholders and their lust for profit and dividends.
Door step delivery of milk more or less ceased when supermarkets started selling milk as a loss leader in 1 litre plus plastic bottles putting milk delivery companies out of business like wise high street butchers and greengrocers.

Can't wait for the Autumn budget...You must have some sound advice to give to Rachel Reeves,Jamie..

Make the State Pension tax free ?

You keep banging on about what Farage might do and flaws in his future plans but at least his doge tactics are trying (and succeeding at council level) to curtail some of the obscene wastes that the current and previous governments are spunking away on vanity projects, I ask you if there was a snap general election tomorrow who would you vote for?, Labour god help us, the Tories?, Lib Dems?, maybe the Greens as a cop out vote, yet you bang on about knocking Reform at every opportunity.

well one thing i can see is more reform ran councils because of that no matter how much a hatchet job the MSM try to do on the party and a few wrong uns that get voted in. they never seem to bother in the past of the possible brown envelopes that might have been past around especially in councils ran by labour.