If the manager and the signings were the product of the so alleged ‘new owners’, would there be as much ‘criticism’ of them…?
I like to give any player a chance so I’ll wait and see, neither praising or criticising, but I don’t want to see any new signing mixed up in the other business in hand which is another topic altogether.
I’ll wait and see on the playing/management side..off the pitch, my mind is made up.

100% not imo.......... I think we are creating a tidy little team, and some of them wont be cheap either.

I give Raj credit, don`t get me wrong, I would rather have new owners who would invest more money, but i give credit where its due!!!

He owes the fans big style.
The club is more sellable in div 4.

We will see and have a better perspective of things in October.

Way to early for the few to re_hang out of him again.

That’s why I used the 10 game test Kev, …to get a general picture of their performance before committing one way or the other..
But it’s early days yet.

the manager signed the players and not the owner. they should all start with a blank sheet of paper before we praise or grumble.

We'd all rather have new owners. It's not just the money. He treats the club as his plaything, trying to be Mr. Good Guy one minute, spitting the dummy out the next. He can't get on with the fans because he craves our gratitude and admiration and no owner ever has that for long - not even Steve Gibson.

It’s like setting out on the same journey and anticipating the same outcome subconsciously.

I like hands off low profile owners who let the manager, who’s paid to manage, do the managing.

its just a failed marriage now that would be better to end even with nobody knowing what the future will hold. at least new owners will get a honeymoon period before the sniping starts.

like one of the most succesful clubs for decades liverpool who knowbody knew who the club owners were. less succesful ones where you knew the owners but not the manager.

Sensible discussion and pleased to see a balanced view on developments over recent week.

There was a risk that, on top of the NW Corner V Supporters Trust thing, we were going to create another rift between the 63% (happy clappers!) and the rest.

I have to admit, the business done to date (on paper) is far better than I anticipated and some credit has to go to Raj for trying to create a competitive squad.

As many have said, we will see how this pans out over the first couple of moneys (and there are rich owners in the league willing to splash the cash than before), but I am more optimistic than before (which isn't difficult).

Don't get me wrong, I still think it is time for Raj to go and sell to a credible owner as he has lost the trust of at least 37% of supporters, together with no doubt many of the 63% who just saw it as the least worst option.

Is it Raj’s last opportunity to take the Citadel ( finish in a play off place again) and prove a point…?

The players signed are on paper no different to previous years and indeed it's the same old Raj numskulls doing the recruiting. Nothing to get excited about until and if exciting stuff happens.

Think the players are above average, Some certainly.
A hint of Barnet last summer bringing good players in from the Lge below.
Its all about finding the right system, I think SG is more than capable on that score.
Also the terraces could well be a factor.

Our first game Yeovil away, Their fans are not happy at all with Cooper, Stating because of him decent players have left.
Our squad needs a first class keeper, Even on loan we will then have every chance of a decent season. imo
PS: and a few more in.

As you state iyo it can,t be any better than last season.

Well i thought we looked awful the other night. Loads of problems. But we have signed someone who has put the ball in the net so at least its a step in the right direction. I can't see us winning many games with this midfield though

I don't necessarily want more money, just sone competence would be nice for a change.

Saw a few comments on FB from Redcar supporters saying they thought we looked a good side. I suppose it's how you want to see things, and I appreciate you were at the match.

With all due credit for the investment now being put into the team it is very much a matter of being years to late. If when we were fighting against relegation from league two the money has been spent to save the club, Raj's reputation as the man who saved the club on two occasions would be intact. What happened Nothing apart from a series of poor managers and even worse players have got us down to were we are now. why not take the money and go out on a high. RAJ OUT.

He's got people thinking that signing Yorks third choice left back is something to rejoice.

He was largely Yorks first choice last season, in a team that finished miles ahead of anyone other than Barnet. It's all perspective.

I agree with Snowy, it is now a case of wait and see how the players gel together as a team.

Recruitment wise the biggest bollocks dropped imo is in the managers hired---been one shocking decision after another and then a scramble to catch up--no fwd planning has really crucified us--we are way worse than we should be as a team based on investment

Since Challinor...

Graeme Lee---Did ok in hindsight did we pull trigger too early?--v strange to get him at all if only had 6 months
Hartley--Utter disaster and the single worst decision made manager wise as I can remember-- and the chairman then stating something along the lines as never had heard of him makes it worse
Curle--We are playing catch up at this time but very meh. and we let him sign a bunch of playes then sacked him again
Askey--Did well when he came in and sacked way too soon without being given a proper chance given injuries and the inheriting of Hartleys rubbish
Phillips--Clearly a poor manager from day 1, talked a lot of shite and proven to not be good enough at Fylde afterwards
Sarll---Another f up, ruined some of our better players and way out of his depth
Lennie/Limberick--More evidence of no proper thinking, it starts with lawrence to steady the ship and Limberick for following season, Lennie then leaves Limberick is uninspiring but given a short straw and he gets removed in undignifed fashion
Grayson--Seems a solid appointment but not clear what happens next

Separate shout out to Joe Monks who seems untouchable which is a surprise given recent player recruitments

I think the chairman wants to do well and does care ---but he's also been responsible for some awful planning and decisions above IMO--and while we get the 'i take responsibility' it always seems to come with a but -- and i think thats what rubs a lot of people up the wrong way

Maybe I'm being harsh with it being a friendly but I was shocked how bad we looked, redcar for the first 30 minutes looked a cut above us. Didn't see any creativity pace in midfield absolutely nothing. I really worry for us but we have signed another 2 players who will hopefully help us in some ways, we deffo need a decent keeper and probably 2 or 3 decent midfielders, like I said the other night we have 3 weeks to sort it out. I was worried last season after Scarborough and people yeah just a friendly this was on another level of poor.

Was it Curle who Radged said was the best Manager he'd ever employed before the Stockport game??
That worked well. Cheers Radge!!

Bloody speel check!!

That list is horrific. Cheers Radge.

Spell cheque again!!

Good post and I agree that the chairman does want to do well and cares but has been ultimately responsible for so many bad decisions (and is very bad as PR/communication) that he has lost a significant section of the supporters.

Only a good season, and essential that includes a good start, would start to win them back.

If he doesn’t, he should sell up to a credible new owner and if he does, he should sell up for a bit more money and higher credibility!

Too late. Too much debt.

Too much debt? How do you know that? I'm all for Raj moving on, and regardless of the accusations of being a Raj lover, I'm grateful he stepped in when he did. Give the bloke his dues, he didn't get involved here to fuck things up. He saved our bacon, got us promoted under his watch. Yeah, I get the bad decisions thing, but you can only piss with the cock that you've got. You can dismiss the rebuilding all you want but I think it's pretty solid. Grayson is a good appointment and I'm more confident than I've been in quite a while, it's looking promising.
I don't get this entitled bullshit where people think we should be league one, that was a moment in time. It's not now.
we'll never move on if we don't accept where we are.

Like I said somewhere else, if the takeover had occurred and this manager and these players were brought in there’d be little if any complaints about the signings.

But it never happened and that's down to 1 person.

I know…I’m just giving an alternative scenario reaction…it’s not real.

Not a Raj lover? That's a lot of writing pleading clemency for him. That's takes dedication that does.

Till October

It's a classic case of Worshipness for our great leader.

Pretty rational to have more faith in a new regime than one which has had consistent failure. Its a fake scenario anyway. As soon as decisions like a new manager were being made, you knew Raj was not serious.

The takeover that never was.
It fooled a fair few including me self.

Hope does strange things at times but in theory don't change what will be.
It can take a while to accept sometimes and that's the part that frustrates ya like.

That’s the whole point of bringing in a new regime, you can dump your debris overboard and start to think afresh, reset your thought process and not be weighed down by the lethargy of the Groundhog Day excistence.

he certainly created the new manager bounce that day. cannot be many new managers who see there team get a right hammering at home against a side they actually have a good home record against. bet he only said that because challinor was on the opposite bench who he grew to hate. who had the last laugh that day.

Come on Accrington, you are better than "there team".

He owes the fans nowt, We are customers who have the choice to shop at pools or not.

In Lge 2 was Curle not allowed to sign about 11 players in January, I could be mistaken.

I don't think he was talking in a legal context. He certainly has made promises that he's not made good upon. In that context, he's in debt.

Sums it up pretty well, Not for the Pessie clappers though.

How do we know anything is real

He is a realist.

could say its the other way round where we owe him nowt now.

Separate shout out to Joe Monks who seems untouchable which is a surprise given recent player recruitments

I think the chairman wants to do well and does care ---but he's also been responsible for some awful planning and decisions above IMO--and while we get the 'i take responsibility' it always seems to come with a but -- and i think thats what rubs a lot of people up the wrong way[/quote]

Good post and I agree that the chairman does want to do well and cares but has been ultimately responsible for so many bad decisions (and is very bad as PR/communication) that he has lost a significant section of the supporters.

Only a good season, and essential that includes a good start, would start to win them back.

If he doesn’t, he should sell up to a credible new owner and if he does, he should sell up for a bit more money and higher credibility![/quote]

Too late. Too much debt.[/quote]

Too much debt? How do you know that? I'm all for Raj moving on, and regardless of the accusations of being a Raj lover, I'm grateful he stepped in when he did. Give the bloke his dues, he didn't get involved here to fuck things up. He saved our bacon, got us promoted under his watch. Yeah, I get the bad decisions thing, but you can only piss with the cock that you've got. You can dismiss the rebuilding all you want but I think it's pretty solid. Grayson is a good appointment and I'm more confident than I've been in quite a while, it's looking promising.
I don't get this entitled bullshit where people think we should be league one, that was a moment in time. It's not now.
we'll never move on if we don't accept where we are.[/quote]

Not a Raj lover? That's a lot of writing pleading clemency for him. That's takes dedication that does.[/quote]

It's a classic case of Worshipness for our great leader.[/quote]

Its not.

Good post and I agree that the chairman does want to do well and cares but has been ultimately responsible for so many bad decisions (and is very bad as PR/communication) that he has lost a significant section of the supporters.

Only a good season, and essential that includes a good start, would start to win them back.

If he doesn’t, he should sell up to a credible new owner and if he does, he should sell up for a bit more money and higher credibility![/quote]

Too late. Too much debt.[/quote]

Too much debt? How do you know that? I'm all for Raj moving on, and regardless of the accusations of being a Raj lover, I'm grateful he stepped in when he did. Give the bloke his dues, he didn't get involved here to fuck things up. He saved our bacon, got us promoted under his watch. Yeah, I get the bad decisions thing, but you can only piss with the cock that you've got. You can dismiss the rebuilding all you want but I think it's pretty solid. Grayson is a good appointment and I'm more confident than I've been in quite a while, it's looking promising.
I don't get this entitled bullshit where people think we should be league one, that was a moment in time. It's not now.
we'll never move on if we don't accept where we are.[/quote]

Not a Raj lover? That's a lot of writing pleading clemency for him. That's takes dedication that does.[/quote]

It's a classic case of Worshipness for our great leader.[/quote]

Its not.[/quote]

Sure sounds like it. Methinks he doth protest too much.