The margin here is irrelevant. It's 64 people!

What WILL turn turn the majority of paying fans against the owner is a long run of poor results - like it did two years ago when we were relegated from the EFL.
Right at this minute a season of struggle looks nailed on, so Raj will reap the whirlwind this coming winter if he hasn't sold up by then - or amazed us all by finding a manager whon can turn base metal into gold.

It's a pretty good sample size. But you might be right, there's a certain type of Poolie that comes on here.

I’m used to asking questions ….in one job I had back in the day…I like to explore all angles.
It’s amazing how people reply and inadvertently give things away….especially little things like ‘we’.
You’ve answered my question without answering it…other things informed me.

The polls on Twitter (X) and Facebook also had a large majority against Raj. If it was a close % I’d have understood but 63% seems far fetched in my opinion.

In that case it perhaps is looking a bit unusual. Unless season ticket holders think in a largely different way to your general pools fans.

I think the wording of the vote was more telling. Rajs money or no money being the options, designed as a scare vote.
A lot more people who were going to vote will vote yes out of fear of the alternative . I'd be curious how many people never bothered voting, I didn't, it was a pointless exercise. The vote was so loaded psychologically towards a yes vote there was only one outcome. I do get the feeling non voters outnumbered all the other votes.

Ah yes. The blackmail element.

You do come across as a prickly bugger you know!
If you’re someone who wants Raj to move on, you want him to know that. At the same time, we really could do without the challenge of funding things for presumably a few weeks, while Due Diligence is concluded. (Raj is the one who said the takeover is still carrying on.)
If Raj had won by a Putin-esque amount, he would be chest beating.
Does that make anything any clearer?[/quote]

I’m used to asking questions ….in one job I had back in the day…I like to explore all angles.
It’s amazing how people reply and inadvertently give things away….especially little things like ‘we’.
You’ve answered my question without answering it…other things informed me.[/quote]

I’m not entirely sure what’s so complicated about my comments?! Yes we, the people who support our club, stressed as f-k worrying about bills being paid, when millionaire Raj owns the club! Imagine how much he’d enjoy saying ‘well you voted no.’ The whole thing is bizarre - the bloke stands to make money from a club millions in debt, yet WE were blackmailed.
It’s why I made the initial point - the result reflect enough of a protest vote but potentially avoids even more Raj theatrics.

And the other thing - despite plenty of arguing on social media, I’ve yet to see one person say the vote was a good idea, even Raj’s most ardent supporters. I really hope he’s got the messsge.

I want Singh out of our club as much as anyone but I would ask just how would you propose to 'force' him out? He can now claim to have a working mandate to effectively proceed as he wishes. Unless you are planning to head up a posse of flaming torch heavies down to the Vic and carry Singh off in a clapped out transit the only way he's going to quit is by selling up to a genuinely interested buyer.

You think people should be just carrying on as normal? It's because people weren't doing this that has brought Singh to at least talking with buyers.

Looking like Administration has just been delayed.

Sing probably has a crazy vision of we get lucky with refs n the run of the ball to sniff around the top 7.
And have a cup run.

But back in the real world it looks like bottom end of div 5.
And anutha season of not entering the fa cup to produce a Xmas Administration.

Anyone think I've called it wrong n believe in fairy tales.

Starve him of cash do exactly what blackpool did to the oystons. With him things are only going to get worse. Way worse, then his dummy will come out again, no one will want to do business with him. All this week has done is ensured that we are more than likely going to be in darlos division in 12 months. With this manager this retained list, it will take a miracle to survive. Christ we are trying to keep fergy and featherstone on, this shows whats coming next season, desperate stuff.

He has tried to blackmail fans, unforgivable in anyones book, made a joke of this club, if we werent already. The whole poll thing was a con of course he would win, he wouldnt be chairman anymore picking up yet more season ticket money, the people in the club be out of a job, if ever their was a fix this was it. Loads of season ticket holders i know voted no, most polls were heavily against raj, yet 2/3rds were for him. Is anyone convinced by that result?

If anyone in their right mind thinks him staying on is good, you really have to now question their sanity, im sure come december when marines injury ravaged team are battering us in the fa trophy in front of 1200 they might start questioning it.

its not as if season ticket holders outnumber regulars who pay on the day. if the club or any club at our level rely on them only they,ll be in a bigger financial mess as they are now.

The vote was among the most ludicrous things I've ever witnessed in my 60 years on the planet, but at least it revealed precisely what a child in a man's body Singh is.

It reminded me of the delights of Hughie Green's "clap-o-meter", Roy Walker's "It's good, but it's not right" catchphrase on, er...Catchphrase! - and Reeves and Mortimer's "We really wanna see those fingers" on Shooting Stars.

The latter of which we should all be giving the Man-child from Middlesbrough until he finally fucks off.

Preferably off the deep-end in Micheal Barrymore's swimming pool.

Awight...???

Since the £100 STs weve always had less pay on the day fans.
Last season was the most POTD fans we've had for donkeys years about 1600 which is loyalty beyond belief.

All change next season going by the vibes.

I think some of those crowds last season were fiddled as well. 4500 when there looked more like 3500 and 3500 when there looked more like 2800 etc. Obviously done with the intention of making the club look more attractive to a potential buyer. I know a lot more fans go in the Mill House stand nowadays, and you don't see that on TV, but I went to Pools for years, and I was never more than a couple of hundred out when predicting that days attendance, but some of those crowds last season were ridiculously exaggerated IMO

This 100%.
A sort of gimmick to maybe mug some rich Arabs.

why would the club exaggerate there gates as they,d be paying VAT on tickets they had not even sold.

If it's like other clubs, I think it's just a case of counting all season tickets, regardless of whether they're at the match or not. Really they're announcing tickets sold, not match attendance.
Certainly looks better if you're talking to potential buyers.

thats certainly the case at stockport when i go there with my lad. they announce a sell out but there are load of gaps to see. surely they could announce both numbers.

Agreed.

Surely there are much cheaper ways of polishing a turd..?

KB


KENNY'S CAVEAT: Obviously Garry Gibson did this, but then he was fat, and didn't pay his VAT..!!!

Nicked from somewhere else....

The business people in the consortium reckoned that in the season up to last the club was losing about 80k a month once the season ticket money ran out, which was February or March depending on sales. That'll be worse with the reduction of parachute payments but they were also covering the horrific wages impact of endlessly sacking managers and restructuring squads all of which came out of the playing budget.

Raj's claims about about the size of his losses are a way of boasting about his wealth and trying to make people like him for spending all that on Pools. Weirdly it just makes him look incompetent, everybody involved thought the losses could be reduced massively by treating sponsors decently, marketing the club correctly and having a coherent plan on the football side. Not really possible to be self-sustaining while challenging for promotion from the NL but Pools should be able to run at a small profit in League 2. Certainly did a bit better than that when we got back and then had a couple of cup runs but Raj took the cash for himself rather than reinvesting it.

Suspect Raj is planning to use the time issues as a bargaining chip once due diligence is done. The buyers need to complete fast might allow him to be stubborn over reducing the price due to stuff that has been discovered.

Singh was never using his own money he was using Clarence 18 to debt Pools up even more. Clarence 18 is a subsidiary company of the Prestige Group not sure what benefits that is although maybe some thing to do with tax. Both show in Singh tax returns meaning from what I understand make a ‘loss’ meaning he doesn’t pay tax or what ever.

Where does Clarence 18s money come from then the magic money tree? If Clarence 18 and Pools are making losses then Raj is making a loss. He might be able to write some off against tax, but it's still a loss.

Oh he most certainly is a creditor but how much if any of that has he written off over the years and how much has been accumulated as debt?. We've got debt to the parent company AND Sports England remember. Also if we get taken over, how much if any of the parent company debt will he write off? I get what you are saying, we don't know but we ARE able use what we know of the guy to speculate.

When it comes down to it, he kept the patient alive and stabiliseed them. But when it came to longer term care to reestablish quality of life, it was not his forte. He is long overdue handing care over to someone who can do that.

I've no idea what the actual finances look like, just making the point that Clarence 18s money is Raj's money.
I'd be very surprised if he's made a profit over the 7 years he's owned the club. Does any club at or around our level make a profit without uncovering a young player with bags of potential to sell on (which obviously doesn't apply to us)? Btw who was the last player we sold for a decent fee?

We made 800k the year of the cups runs and that’s after a huge chunk went out. It’s in the accounts and Hobin boasted about it.

Indeed. That plus all the debt we have, I'm not sure when all is done and repaid to Raj just how benevolent we've been run as a club. My bank lent me loads of money to buy a house, it's their money but there's no benevolence about it.

Ah, so you're pissed right off 'cos you pay more tax than him.

Excellent. I was in a great mood anyway, but now I'm organising a midnight street-party to celebrate.

I reckon Jamie is on of those Swiss Gnomes who manipulate the money markets….our club is falling apart around us and he’s more interested in tedious financial cobblers.

Obviously Snowy have no knowledge of how financials work and companies, its Singh using Pools the same way IOR did, it’s called tax avoidance which is not illegal. You need to watch Ken Hodcroft, I have included the link on Switch of Play with Micky Barron and Mark Simpson where Hodcroft explains why they him and Larsen bought Pools how they used Pools for tax purposes. IOR in their term provided £7 million in their tenure, not bad for a company who only employed 20 people. Pools were registered in Jersey, and the company IOR Ltd registered in Jersey owned the club.


https://youtu.be/mliugJG0tZk?si=LjCphRIku9IjrtUO

funny how its legal to avoid tax if you have a business and money to pay it but not if you are struggling to survive and they take every penny off you thats legally available to them.

The funny thing is, People vote for it.

Why would I need to know unless of course I had a business or worked in finance…of no interest to me whatsoever, the world keeps turning.
The great mystery is your obsession with it….. get an hobby.

I have I am interested in the financial world, it’s a hobby not an obsession, I have a vested interest how global stock markets perform.
What’s you hobby Snowy since you were instructed to remove your den, playing on your tablet and thinking how can I wind bunkerites up including that fella Jamie who is a thorn in my side.

Thorn in yer dreams.
I have several hobbies, none of which centre around filthy lucre…by the way my bunker is intact as I sit in my swivel chair reading….reading Max Hastings Armageddon, not a bad historian.
The demolition was the Love Shack /B52’s ……named by my teenage sons.
Fill the day out Jamie, there’s things to do….I may go down the bottom of the garden later and throw stones at the clouds if they annoy me…..carry on …..

A less subtle response might have been along the lines of not a thorn, more of a little prick? No offence Jamie just my childish mind couldn't resist.

Shit, if only I’d thought of it .
No offence Jamie.

Aw fuck here we go again, the Whelk of Wall Street's back.

The only hobbies you've got Jamie are "Jilly" with a willie, "Alice" with a phallus and "Mona" with a boner..!