No, he has the upper hand now, retaken the Kursk region and massing troops in other areas, no peace keepers allowed in Ukraine etc, no way is he backing down or agreeing to a ceasefire irrespective what Trump says, did he under estimate Putin or even Zelensky ?

I suggest you give your hero a call and get updated.

Putin doesn't need to agree to anything as he's in charge. He's got Trump in his pocket, shilling for him. He's just deciding who to invade next.

He will but on his terms.

I asked a serious question, looking for serious answers Leggie, who is my leader, I have no affiliation to any party.

Yes the war will stop but on what terms who knows

I suspect it will be something carved up between Russia and USA…with Europe actually having to put their hands in their pockets if they want to be taken seriously…something they will still find a way to avoid no doubt

He will once he gets what he wanted all along, land grab, no NATO membership for Ukraine, no NATO troops to be stationed in Ukraine, lifting of sanctions, unfreezing of Russian money, to start with.
The NATO thing longer term may not be such an issue as I suspect they'll get membership of a new European defence alliance eventually.

I give you a serious answer Jamie give the man you worship a call. Also worth asking him why he keeps making terrible life changing cuts to British people's lives. Hop along now there's a good frog.

I reckon you are a " wanna be " kind of person. Basically someone who is unwanted but still stays by your side.

So much for General ‘Iron Man’ Starmer’s Coalition of the Willing…appears to have turned into the Coalition of the let’s not rush into things …..bet Putin was shitting himself…as if

Careful Snowy Jamie hates people working out he adores that man who's name starts with " S " shush you know who. It's interesting how Jamie keeps fighting back for his idol when others are less interested in forcefully defending him now. And that's supposed to be a man and party he no longer supports. I reckon poor old Jamie only jumps on the subject because a handful of others have an interest in politics and needs a side to join on the board.Funny as fook is Jamie like.

It could be man love.

Way way beyond man love more like stalking.

All Putin wanted was for NATO not to come waltzing into Russia. Had Ukraine joined NATO within 5 years or so, that's exactly what would've happened. The ousting of a pro Russian leader of Ukraine in 2014 was all part of the build up to what we see now, basically the West were flexing their muscles, but Putin surprised them by getting the first punch in, not once but twice, with the taking of Crimea, and then the invasion of Ukraine. This could've been stopped within weeks, with NATO not allowing Ukraine into NATO.

Since then, the West have proved Putin to be right, the West under Biden and the EU, particularly the UK, were hellbent on stirring up trouble with the Russians, hoping in a cowardly way, that sanctions rather than a toe to toe would slowly grind the Russians down militarily, but also economically. It hasn't worked out that way, and now I wouldn't blame Putin, if he said. fook it, I'll take the whole of Ukraine. He won't though, as I believe his objectives are the same as on day 1, an agreement that Ukraine won't join NATO, no NATO operations in Ukraine, and a guarantee of safety for the mainly Russian speaking parts of Eastern Ukraine, who had Russia not invaded, were on the verge of being ethnically cleansed, though I think Putin might decide now to take those regions, Donbass etc into Russia. At the end of the day, he has to go back to his people, people who have lost loved ones, and tell them their childrens sacrifice was worth it. A deal that looks anything like the West and Ukraine have shared the spoils, would be seen as a betrayal by Putin, that might see kicked out by the Russian people, of course the West would love that, that was the plan all along, start a war with Russia and effect regime change, and get a Western loving puppet in charge, as they had during the 1990s before Putin came along. Another reason why Putin will play hardball in any negotiations.

Once again Mr. Horden voice of reason. I predicted this war back in 2018 because of the bad intentions then from the west. He had no intentions of invading Ukraine until given no alternative. People do not want to see it for what it is and instead keep repeating the brain washing shit from the west.

Cool story bro

Putin wants Ukraine for vanity and greed. That's it. Same reason he took part of Georgia and Crimea.

The NATO thing is rubbish, the nazi thing is rubbish. The Russian speaker thing is rubbish (Estonia not invaded, Finland not invaded). It doesn't take much research to find it out. That's if one isn't trying to look big and clever by deliberately supporting alternative 'theories'.

If one finds one's self sounding like Putin, then it's probably time to have a word with one's self.

NATO
Shite

Any word from Napoleon Macron,Sir ??

I know. That's why us tax payers are spending more on defence. I would like more but it's better than nowt and it's a start.

Apparently after a serious bout of French tub thumping and chest beating, the French have decided they’ll supply 25 mobile Croissant bakeries and several varieties of inedible French cheese on reflection.
Starmer’s Coalition of the terminally reluctant is surfing a wave of apathy.

They ain’t gonna start spending it till 2028 so if that’s their idea of urgency don’t let them anywhere near the ambulance service.

I agree. Go five percent GDP now. At least.

If he wants all of Ukraine he won't be even considering a ceasefire will he? And of course he won't invade Estonia or Finland as that would be an attack on a NATO member which would mean NATO according to their charter would have to strike back and probably lead to WW3.
Putin will get what his objectives were from the outset and that's not taking Ukraine in its entirety.

We don't have a ceasefire yet and it all depends on the terms.

He had a chance to invade Finland when they indicated their intention to join NATO. They were not a soft enough touch for him.

Putin has stated that Ukraine isn't a country, his selective grasp of history has it as Russian. That's what he wanted. It failed to be another Belarus for him.

With all due respect Horden but that's absolute bollox.
So why hasn't Putin invaded Finland?
Why is all Media in Russia controlled by the government?
Why has Putin stopped democratic Elections?
Why do people who stand up to Putin mysteriously fall out of windows?
Would you want to live there?

Finland joined NATO alongside Sweden when Putin invaded Ukraine…insurance policy time.
Both were genuinely neutral since WW2 ended. ….so left alone by Russia since the end of WW2.
Fact is Putin made the move when he made the comment about Biden in his pyjamas…he knew the West was weak with him in charge, this along with the realisation that Europe had gone soft and been cutting defence spending since1989… the so called ‘peace dividend’ was for peace divvy’s .
Even now after we’ve started acting tough, we are waiting for three years before we spend any money…so it means Putin saw we were weak as piss.
That’s why we have this awful problem.
Talk quietly and carry a big stick…as Teddy Roosevelt said.

wonder when any country stopped a war when they were either winning it or had a good chance of doing so. needs a stalemate or a ukranian back down to solve the situation quickly.

So who thinks that Trump is a Russian 'sleeper' agent?

Ukraine are currently holding their own but Putin is determined to bomb them into submission. Putin can’t afford to back down 800000 Russian dead troops loads of equipment destroyed and interest rates and inflation at an all time high in Russia albeit their is no opposition party in Russia.Ceasefire, not as long as the western world want to put boots on the ground in Ukraine and ask Russia to concede territory they already occupy.

China are currently watching the situation closely, photos of huge troop carrying landing craft being constructed in the Chinese shipyards which could be used to invade Taiwan.
Biden said he would defend Taiwan would Trump, currently I don’t think he would.

Not me.

Getting a bit close to you now Jamie, the owld Chinese.

Just tell them you’re the Hartlepool Ambassador…give you time to leg it back to Blighty?
By the way. Biden said what the Democrat Party told him to say…..lights on but no one in….rumours have it Ray Charles was working him.

If Putin wants to bomb them into submission he will, he's not after the entire country. Land grab what he's got, no NATO, a puppet head of state installed, job done.
The Western msm are telling us the story they want us to believe in the same way the Russian media is controlled.

800,000 dead? Highly unlikely. No one knows the true figure but it’s more likely a tenth of that with Ukraines losses at least 200,000.
Regarding the possibility of our involvement, Ukraine isn't in NATO not even the EU we owe them nothing and we won't be dying for them at all. If anyone feels differently feel free to buy a flight and join up! I am sure they are running low on meat for the grinder.

It really is that simple.

Couldn't agree more Barry.

Is it just a coincidence that the 2 leaders who're banging the military drums the loudest are those that have huge domestic issues at the moment?

Gadgies who smoke far too much weed and spend most of their time on dodgy internet sites.

Or watching YouTube videos produced by folk who smoke even more weed and create all the dodgy internet sites.

Thanks for the considered answer Kenny. Don't do any of those things but I'll give them a try.

Glad to be of assistance mate.

I could also get you some pretty decent gear and recommend a few suitable sites if you're a complete novice like...

The 800k figure includes wounded who are the majority of casualties. It seems a bit high but I bet the real figure is scary.

Also most reliable sources indicate the Russian figures dwarf the Ukrainian ones. It's easy to see with Ukrainian tactics vs Russian 'tactics'. Also the Russians have been vastly more of an attacking force and that airways results in many more casualties than defenders.

They're just not Putin who never has any domestic issues for obvious reasons. Let then bang the drums, but a little more defence money would be better.

Nothing Putin has done alines with this. The media comparison is nonsense. Sorry, no other word for it.

We in the west have the mindset that everyone thinks like us and acts like us as though we are the arbiter of morals.
Others have very different opinions which we refuse to accept, because we are always right….or are we …?
Cultures differ.

Everything Russia have done aligns with what I said and the ceasefire deal will align with it too.
If you really don't think our msm has an agenda that is not necessarily the truth then that's fine e, I don't buy it.

Thanks again Kenny - but I've accepted a very kind offer from Snowy - although I've had to decline his Vaseline options.

Yeah but you're not looking at what they tried to do, said they wanted to do but failed to do!

I don't need to think about the difference between western media and Russian media as its obvious.

The rhetoric and bluster at the start was just that, the real objective was never to take Ukraine. He'll get that effectively when Zelensky is replaced by a Kremlin sympathetic President of Ukraine.

What makes you think that? I mean that respectfully in the spirit of discussion.

The dogs don’t need it, but I’ll put rat boys muzzle on to be on the safe side

Thank you Mr Snow - this Board is so full of love today.