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Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Krampesh wrote:

Flying Hogans wrote:

Snowy wrote:

That may well be the case, but…and there’s always a but…it would help if those in charge of the club applied themselves to the task in hand and actually got it right.
Of course no action will be taken and it’s all voices in the ether…BUT…it would help if some sign of real intent was there, because it ain’t as bright as you paint it.
But I respect your input.

Not saying it's a good thing Snowy, just saying that's how it is.

It's like trying to make sense of the original subject of this thread. So "Arizona-based Next Level football" who apparently wanted to invest in Pools, have instead become part-owners of League of Ireland side Bray Wanderers? Am I reading that right?

I'd say the attraction of getting involved with a League of Ireland side is probably the kudos involved if they qualify for European club competitions. Bit like investing in The New Saints in Wales would. Pools would have to rise through 4 divisions and then some to achieve a similar profile.

And I wonder how much it actually costs to buy a stake in the football club in Bray, a town with a population of 33,000 and a ground that holds 3,200 people? A fair way short of £1 million would be my guess.

Think it’s more the fact the owner is a Hartlepool fan from Hartlepool who lives in the US. He was part of the Trust’s consortium and then clearly says he tried to invest in the club again with no success. No idea why he’s then invested in Bray but I would imagine like you say it was a much cheaper investment than buying Pools

Might only have been willing to really push the boat out for a home town club that has special meaning.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

Snowy wrote:

No fans…no club….End of. :angry-tappingfoot:

no sponsorship and an owner who cannot or will not spend is no club now. the number of fans mean little as we get beat regularly by clubs who can just attract a four figure crowd.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

PTID wrote:

Don't know how many are staying away because of Raj, but it looks like most NL teams are seeing reduced crowds, I'm in the Millhouse and to be honest I don't see any difference in that area but the pitch is definitely tired and obviously the higher advertising hoardings are looking shabby in places.

more are staying away because of the team and the results. football now is all about results than its ever been. play badly and win is more important to many than watching a real good game but we lost it. some might say the ground is tired but its been far worse. as for the pitch it cannot be a co incidence that other pitches at our standard and above have all looked worse now than they have for many seasons so why should the vic be any different.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4373

No money coming in from fans their would be no raj Singh for very long, he would soon find a seller. Or put the club in admin. Surely we can't put up of another year of this christ we might as well go bust and start again. This club has actually become boring, matches are boring we know what's coming, pre season is boring, we know we are signing in the main 3rd rate cheap shite, despite claims every signing we make is great.

I won't be spending another penny this season and probobly next season either. This fella needs driving out the club somehow. It still amazes me how anyone has even defended this guy in the past. Ruined two great north eastern clubs.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4373

accrington fan wrote:

PTID wrote:

Don't know how many are staying away because of Raj, but it looks like most NL teams are seeing reduced crowds, I'm in the Millhouse and to be honest I don't see any difference in that area but the pitch is definitely tired and obviously the higher advertising hoardings are looking shabby in places.

more are staying away because of the team and the results. football now is all about results than its ever been. play badly and win is more important to many than watching a real good game but we lost it. some might say the ground is tired but its been far worse. as for the pitch it cannot be a co incidence that other pitches at our standard and above have all looked worse now than they have for many seasons so why should the vic be any different.

I'm not sure it is all about the results. Non league crowds have gone through the roof last couple of seasons. Pools getting 5k last week for a meaningless game. I remember we were sat top of league 2 and a big crowd was considered 4k, probobly fiddled but still. Stockton are pulling in decent crowds, south shields 2000 plus, so it's not just results. I think if we got a reasonable owner got half decent results, our crowds would increase big time.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3847

Looks like NL crowds are down a bit generally this season.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Our crowds are down significantly and anecdotally, Raj Singh is mentioned by many stay aways. All those factors mentioned by Accy on their own might be anomalies but together, they reflect a gradual but significant decline for HUFC. The results on the pitch the consistent under performance are a manifestation of that decline.

But this detracts away from the big old point that we have been shafted of several great opportunity for out beloved club. It has been ripped from us and we are going to end in the gutter.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36227

Seems all we have left is bloody prayer :pray:

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4373

PTID wrote:

Looks like NL crowds are down a bit generally this season.

Bound to be down no more chesterfields Notts county's Wrexham etc, the big teams are getting out one by one leaving some very small teams by comparison. In general though non league footballs crowds are incredible for the leagues some of these teams play in.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36227

Miracles happen. :angelic-cyan:

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

PTID wrote:

Looks like NL crowds are down a bit generally this season.

Bound to be down no more chesterfields Notts county's Wrexham etc, the big teams are getting out one by one leaving some very small teams by comparison. In general though non league footballs crowds are incredible for the leagues some of these teams play in.

in many of these leagues though there are clubs playing at their highest level to keep and attract fans. i,d guess especially those inside the M25 its a dislike of how the premier league has become with every single thing overpriced and hyped up never mind the difficulty of parking at many big grounds and getting away after the match.

Krampesh · **Joined:** Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:14 am **Posts:** 575

Rumour going round is the Trust’s mystery woman investor is set to take over from Raj. She was the one bringing the big money to the table from the ‘international investment company’.
Could be another bullshit rumour but thought it was worth sharing

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Krampesh wrote:

Rumour going round is the Trust’s mystery woman investor is set to take over from Raj. She was the one bringing the big money to the table from the ‘international investment company’.
Could be another bullshit rumour but thought it was worth sharing

Appreciated Krampesh

Kettering Poolie · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:17 am

Krampesh wrote:

Rumour going round is the Trust’s mystery woman investor is set to take over from Raj. She was the one bringing the big money to the table from the ‘international investment company’.
Could be another bullshit rumour but thought it was worth sharing

Hope it's Amanda Staveley- formerly of the carTOON army parish.
Saw a programme about how she was squeezed out up there. Said she wanted to return to football at some point. Think we're a perfect fit for her.
She's also very easy on the eye too! :dance:

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Kettering Poolie wrote:

Krampesh wrote:

Rumour going round is the Trust’s mystery woman investor is set to take over from Raj. She was the one bringing the big money to the table from the ‘international investment company’.
Could be another bullshit rumour but thought it was worth sharing

Hope it's Amanda Staveley- formerly of the carTOON army parish.
Saw a programme about how she was squeezed out up there. Said she wanted to return to football at some point. Think we're a perfect fit for her.
She's also very easy on the eye too! :dance:

She mentioned last weekend she will be looking for a new club........premier league. banghead

Kettering Poolie · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2025 1:10 am

Leggie43 wrote:

Kettering Poolie wrote:

Krampesh wrote:

Rumour going round is the Trust’s mystery woman investor is set to take over from Raj. She was the one bringing the big money to the table from the ‘international investment company’.
Could be another bullshit rumour but thought it was worth sharing

Hope it's Amanda Staveley- formerly of the carTOON army parish.
Saw a programme about how she was squeezed out up there. Said she wanted to return to football at some point. Think we're a perfect fit for her.
She's also very easy on the eye too! :dance:

She mentioned last weekend she will be looking for a new club........premier league. banghead

That's what she wants people to think Leggie - so we all keep our powder dry, for now!
She's heard about the Millhouse master plan and fancies a slice or two. If Bournemouth can manage it why not Pools, is her thinking!

She'd certainly sell a few season tickets- I might even buy one! rolf

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22547

She can afford it. Her 6% of Newcastle pocketed her £60m

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

Kettering Poolie wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Kettering Poolie wrote:

Krampesh wrote:

Rumour going round is the Trust’s mystery woman investor is set to take over from Raj. She was the one bringing the big money to the table from the ‘international investment company’.
Could be another bullshit rumour but thought it was worth sharing

Hope it's Amanda Staveley- formerly of the carTOON army parish.
Saw a programme about how she was squeezed out up there. Said she wanted to return to football at some point. Think we're a perfect fit for her.
She's also very easy on the eye too! :dance:

She mentioned last weekend she will be looking for a new club........premier league. banghead

That's what she wants people to think Leggie - so we all keep our powder dry, for now!
She's heard about the Millhouse master plan and fancies a slice or two. If Bournemouth can manage it why not Pools, is her thinking!

She'd certainly sell a few season tickets- I might even buy one! rolf

if only hartlepool was a copy of bournemouth itself then it could work. as for season tickets if they reduced the price and not down to the throw away bradford city price i,d buy one as well if we got the right owner to prove the fans were behind the club as well as them.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6600

Had a listen to AL yesterday Radio Tees.

Was asked if he had spoken to RS after the announcement.
He said he had spoken RS, But would not comment further.

Thing is, He sounded as though he had been given assurances, Just sounded normal which in it self was weird, Considering.
Is RS going anywhere.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6975

Grayhoundend wrote:

Had a listen to AL yesterday Radio Tees.

Was asked if he had spoken to RS after the announcement.
He said he had spoken RS, But would not comment further.

Thing is, He sounded as though he had been given assurances, Just sounded normal which in it self was weird, Considering.
Is RS going anywhere.

Neil Maddison asked why no figures were disclosed as to what Singh was prepared to accept for Pools, it would appear Singh wants the money he has loaned to Pools through his Clarence company back which is understandable but also an enhanced payment as well.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22547

So it's in the region of £1m - £1.5m assuming all assets and liabilities are taken on as existing debt. A 'six figure sum' was mentioned in regards to the consortium, that could be anywhere between £100'000 and £999'999. A fair bit away but no science to this and rumours are usually unreliable. What is pretty sure is that Singh wants his money back so it's going to be £1m-£1.5m depending on how much has been paid down since the last accounts. Also he has made it clear that he's willing to take payment in instalments. All very well but with instalments to RS and instalments to Sage, it doesn't leave much for investment in the team or the pitch.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

So it's in the region of £1m - £1.5m assuming all assets and liabilities are taken on as existing debt. A 'six figure sum' was mentioned in regards to the consortium, that could be anywhere between £100'000 and £999'999. A fair bit away but no science to this and rumours are usually unreliable. What is pretty sure is that Singh wants his money back so it's going to be £1m-£1.5m depending on how much has been paid down since the last accounts. Also he has made it clear that he's willing to take payment in instalments. All very well but with instalments to RS and instalments to Sage, it doesn't leave much for investment in the team or the pitch.

thats why we need an owner who can pay the asking price up front and it would not hit him hard. what we do not want is raj singh mark 2 even if their heart is in the right place and fans support them.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6600

Jamie1952 wrote:

Grayhoundend wrote:

Had a listen to AL yesterday Radio Tees.

Was asked if he had spoken to RS after the announcement.
He said he had spoken RS, But would not comment further.

Thing is, He sounded as though he had been given assurances, Just sounded normal which in it self was weird, Considering.
Is RS going anywhere.

Neil Maddison asked why no figures were disclosed as to what Singh was prepared to accept for Pools, it would appear Singh wants the money he has loaned to Pools through his Clarence company back which is understandable but also an enhanced payment as well.

If RS is holding out for that, Then he knows something we don,t.

Smokin Joe · **Joined:** Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:13 pm **Posts:** 943

Leggie43 wrote:

Kettering Poolie wrote:

Krampesh wrote:

Rumour going round is the Trust’s mystery woman investor is set to take over from Raj. She was the one bringing the big money to the table from the ‘international investment company’.
Could be another bullshit rumour but thought it was worth sharing

Hope it's Amanda Staveley- formerly of the carTOON army parish.
Saw a programme about how she was squeezed out up there. Said she wanted to return to football at some point. Think we're a perfect fit for her.
She's also very easy on the eye too! :dance:

She mentioned last weekend she will be looking for a new club........premier league. banghead

She obviously meant the NORTHERN Premier League ie start low and slow, enjoy a few interim successes and build up to a climax of reaching the EFL.

Smokin Joe · **Joined:** Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:13 pm **Posts:** 943

Grayhoundend wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Grayhoundend wrote:

Had a listen to AL yesterday Radio Tees.

Was asked if he had spoken to RS after the announcement.
He said he had spoken RS, But would not comment further.

Thing is, He sounded as though he had been given assurances, Just sounded normal which in it self was weird, Considering.
Is RS going anywhere.

Neil Maddison asked why no figures were disclosed as to what Singh was prepared to accept for Pools, it would appear Singh wants the money he has loaned to Pools through his Clarence company back which is understandable but also an enhanced payment as well.

If RS is holding out for that, Then he knows something we don,t.

Of course he knows stuff that we don’t, he doesn’t want to give the fans any indication of even potential hope, it’s his way of getting back at his abusers over the years. However it’s no surprise that he has seemingly given Skippy some assurances and pass these on to the players. How can they be expected to give 100% for the club for the remaining 11 games without at least a modicum of confidence of being rewarded for their efforts?

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