Raj helped us dodge another bullet with a non-cedible owner. Only kidding, as suspected he was talking bollocks AGAIN. Cheers Raj.

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I read this on the Facebook Supoorters page. So a bloke who wanted to invest in Pools but Raj said isn’t credible has now put his money into another club. Great.
He’s also got player links as well, so not just money.
If only we were as clever as Raj and his 4D chess moves.

The thing is Raj decides who's credible and who's not. Wasn't there a sum needed to be deposited with solicitors to prove proof of funds in order to gain insight into the club accounts? Did this lot meet that or were they actually just tyre kicking?
It's a credible buyer with cash to spend needed now not what might have been that's important.

They deposited what was initially asked by Raj, who then shifted the goalposts. There was a statement about it all at the time.
But yeah, let’s just ignore that, nothing to see here.
Do you work for the club by the way? Always very quick to defend Raj. That’s a genuine question btw!

The discussion isn't about whether Raj decides the price, or who he seems is credible. It's about whether he is being unrealistic, unreasonable ridiculous and/or spouting bollocks to us. Very very clearly there is something like that going on. It is he who is winding this club down and it is irrelevant whether that is his perogative or not. Just for example, people have the right to be arseholes it ain't illegal but it is what it is most definitely.

How have I defended Raj? He knows what he wants from a buyer we don't. Besides which it's history and it's the future that is what matters.
The latest signings, particularly when we've paid a fee aren't signs of winding the club down, imo of course. If I was wanting to wind a business down I'd be spending as little as possible, and in this case I would have stopped all incoming transfers and played the kids if necessary, as Orient did a few years ago when their kids thrashed us 5-0 or so.

Do you not think the people we’re bringing in are pretty cheap options? Grey and Mani will be off at the end of the season, two players capable of leading a play-off push. Madine is clearly done.
Plus of course, money coming in from Raj is loans and debt is increasing, as shown in the accounts. The higher that debt gets, the less likely anyone is to save the club when Raj calls it a day. This is the thing I’m most worried about - the longer Raj is here the less likely it is the club will survive (hence being annoyed hearing about Raj knocking back serious offers and then trying to bullshit the fans.)

I’ll wave him off as he goes, but we’re faced with a problem of a sitting tenant in football terms, so the balls in his court.
If you can tell me how it can be done …I’d like to know,
I think the technical term is an impasse, and he decides, that’s the problem.

No matter who he brings in players wise thats all adds to the debt which he will want back when it all goes tit's up...HE WANTS EVERY PENNY BACK.
(sorry for shouting).

Aye, cut it out………anyway, is he serious if he thinks he’s gonna get his money back, because if he does he’ll be here for fecking life.

I wish he would just fooooooooook off and let us find our own way.

Why would he increase the debt that the club owes him if he's winding us down or I tending to pull the plug. It's like paying to respray your car the day before you scrap it?

Let’s face reality, he’s like the Captain of a cruise liner that never sets sail and the passengers cruise never leaves the dock…….we need someone who’s a bit more adventurous.

Completely agree but doesn’t mean we can’t see where it’s all heading, which is the way of Darlo. Starting to feel like if we don’t do something sooner rather than later, then we’ve only got ourselves to blame. I feel pretty helpless about it as I’m sure others are feeling but we’re not going to sell many season tickets in the summer, and the crowd is already decimated. Fans are voting with their feet so let’s hope that counts for something.

Because he’s paying himself as he goes then he’ll offset losses when the plug is eventually pulled. He’s not losing out.

Oh do...(and I'm being polite Raj's step-son)...fuck-off...FACT!!!!

It's now about what will be.
Not what is needed that fantasy is dead.

Singh did all this “putting the club up for sale” routine at Darlo.

Nothing was ever right, nobody ever fitted the bill and this led onto one Darlo fan giving him the name of “Radged Strings”….

The first name is self explanatory the second name is about all the strings he would attach.

People who genuinely want to sell something usually find a way.

Or you sell it for the best price you can get and cut your losses…it’s how football works.

Raj killed it.

He can spend what he likes if it's all debt. Then walk away when it's PPP day, which I think he will. He knocked back CLEARLY credible buyers. This ain't going to end well.

Paid Fees.
Drip feeding from the promotion /Cup Runs/Parachute moneys.
Certainly won't be out of His own bank account.

Sounds like to me he wanted help with the bills n wages while still wanting 51% Ownership while sniffing about with a dream of Millhouse land or even owning the Vic thru the murkey world of corruption Politics.

Any potential new owners will now be hanging back till after Administration 2 to 3 years in division 6 nailed on.

Like I said previously there will be a mass ST Boycott during the summer.
The pisstakeing out of his way to many customers for the product on offer will finally end.

A vocal n banner protest for the last few games could speed up the process like.
WSO.

Action is needed from the terraces..dumb compliance only makes things worse.
Being vocal at matches costs nowt……. It’s time for fans to get off their knees or shut up, because meek ancceptance and grumbling to yourself is not gonna solve anything.
If you’re not prepared to demand better ….you deserve all you get.

But derwent said and still says 'we can't do nothing about it'.

Mutters runs out of reasonable debate and reverts to type - sooooo predictable!!

Derwent is 100% correct, whatever the fans do the ball is 100% in Raj's court.

We can voice our opinion inside or outside the ground there’s no law against it…yet

The fans ARE the club, not Raj. He has control but so what? He makes decisions based on factors. We are a bloody BIG factor.

This is a guy who turned away a local lad (Owton Manor apparently) with a real proposal that could have transformed the club, and he was just one of a consortium of such people that we would get on board. Now another club is getting that big chance. that apparently wasn't credible. Poolies should be absolute aghast by this. Wake up good people.

No fans…no club….End of.

a lot can depend on his personality as well. something tells me if fans force him out he,ll do the worst possible deal he could do by shoving his two fingers up to us all. hate the future as we know nothing of how it will turn out.

Makes no difference whether the coup de grace is delivered in a fit of rage sooner or coldly and calmly later. It is what it is and it is coming. The cavalry have come and been sent away again. They are not coming back

Will he cut his nose off to spite the fans though? If he's greedy he's not going to walk away from debt that he's owed and certainly not going to increase that debt - unless he can write it off against tax on the parent company? Maybe that's what he's doing anyway, weren't IOR doing something like that?
Got to relish the future if only because it just might be better than the present.

He will take the path of least resistance. Bye bye pools. He is drawing it out right now, maybe bizarrely thinking that that huge offer is coming his way if he draws it out long enough. As the debt becomes higher the ask becomes higher and the very unlikely sale becomes the impossible sale. One option left then. This is NO IOR situation. What future is there to relish exactly? I'm sure the hundreds and hundreds that are now staying away from Pools are.relishing being away from that misery. As long as Raj is there, they won't come back.

I suspect if we starting winning games at home the fans would be back, and the future won't always have Raj in the hot seat.

Unlikely with yet another season blown to bits. The stay aways have seen too many little flurries of brightness lead to nothing. Far too many. The ground is tired. The fans are tired. There's no relief to the grind. Raj MUST go for things to change and people to come back.

Would this mean that person is now no longer interested in Pools?

Such a shame, someone from the town and in the game putting their money and time into another club because of Raj Singh.
I remember all the comments he said at the time, can tell his heart was in it for the right reasons.

Don't know how many are staying away because of Raj, but it looks like most NL teams are seeing reduced crowds, I'm in the Millhouse and to be honest I don't see any difference in that area but the pitch is definitely tired and obviously the higher advertising hoardings are looking shabby in places.

"The higher that debt gets"

The higher the debt gets the less chance Raj has of getting his money back,

Stephen Paylor on facebook:
'Money offered to the club (and recenty too for 7 figures) was never an 'investment'. Investments are to make profits and those people should stay away from football clubs as they aren't for sale and shouldn't be for profit. Clubs are for the people they represent, the heart and soul of their communities. In a world that becomes more ugly and divided by the day it makes them a priceless asset for the best of the people but only when connected to the people. Ground zero in the battle for people over profit, greed and ego. Community over self. A Hartlepool United is all that should matter.'
Appears even £1 million isn't enough for Raj to sell (if the above is correct) and I don't know why he'd lie?

You better tell him that then.

You can't speak about Pools these days without hearing from someone who isn't going because of the state of the club or who knows of multiple people who aren't going. The Hartlepool crowd is a shadow of what it was.

Heartbreaking.

To think this person was just one part of a consortium of i think maybe up to 10 people. It seems like it was a far more serious group certainly than Raj led us all to believe. Terrible of him really to stand in the way of local people trying to do their best for the club.

Seven figure sum. Well there you go. Thanks Raj.

Pools' average home gates are 1,500 below what they were in our first season back in League 2 under Challinor and Spike Lee - which were the highest they'd been in nearly 20 years!

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The fact is they are holding up surprisingly well considering how absolutely pitiful the results have been. Whoever this 'multitude' is who aren't going - and I bet they're all aged 50 plus - there's a new generation of younger Pools fans who definitely haven't thrown in the towel. If you don't believe me go to a few home games and see for yourself.

The Bunker is an old man's forum that mainly talks to itself.

That may well be the case, but…and there’s always a but…it would help if those in charge of the club applied themselves to the task in hand and actually got it right.
Of course no action will be taken and it’s all voices in the ether…BUT…it would help if some sign of real intent was there, because it ain’t as bright as you paint it.
But I respect your input.

Er... Tell him what he already knows. Wow

Raj is shit scared that someone will come in and make a success of the club, Which HE had the oppertunity to do.

You could say "Thrown the towel in" Or you could say Youth is wasted on the Young.

Not saying it's a good thing Snowy, just saying that's how it is.

It's like trying to make sense of the original subject of this thread. So "Arizona-based Next Level football" who apparently wanted to invest in Pools, have instead become part-owners of League of Ireland side Bray Wanderers? Am I reading that right?

I'd say the attraction of getting involved with a League of Ireland side is probably the kudos involved if they qualify for European club competitions. Bit like investing in The New Saints in Wales would. Pools would have to rise through 4 divisions and then some to achieve a similar profile.

And I wonder how much it actually costs to buy a stake in the football club in Bray, a town with a population of 33,000 and a ground that holds 3,200 people? A fair way short of £1 million would be my guess.

Think it’s more the fact the owner is a Hartlepool fan from Hartlepool who lives in the US. He was part of the Trust’s consortium and then clearly says he tried to invest in the club again with no success. No idea why he’s then invested in Bray but I would imagine like you say it was a much cheaper investment than buying Pools