Paying for Ukraine

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Snowy wrote:

Wonder if the chocolate Soldier will tax us to pay for it ?

Just Trump fans I've heard.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Snowy wrote:

PTID wrote:

Can't see the USA being too interested in a war in Europe, apart from to make money selling arms and leasing weapons systems, it took Pearl Harbour to rouse them last time around.

Regarding that, I read that when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour, Roosevelt wanted to declare war on Germany but couldn’t because he realised the American public wouldn’t approve of it. Germany saved his bacon when Hitler declared war on the US….

Surprising for an idealist. Lots of people with German origins in the US.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36222

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Snowy wrote:

PTID wrote:

Can't see the USA being too interested in a war in Europe, apart from to make money selling arms and leasing weapons systems, it took Pearl Harbour to rouse them last time around.

Regarding that, I read that when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour, Roosevelt wanted to declare war on Germany but couldn’t because he realised the American public wouldn’t approve of it. Germany saved his bacon when Hitler declared war on the US….

Surprising for an idealist. Lots of people with German origins in the US.

The USA was conducting war manoeuvres for an invasion of Canada ….as we were still regarded as potential enemies in 1936……the ironic thing is, while we paid everything back for weapons in WW2…the Russians never gave them a penny back.
We really do kid ourselves with this special relationship bollocks…somretimes it’s more of an abusive relationship looking at Starmer’s grovelling meeting with Trump.

BarryHarris57 · **Joined:** Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 pm **Posts:** 55

All military aid from the USA has been suspended.
Not before time too.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3847

Game over

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

know its different in some ways but how would we have felt if when we went to war with argentina and the whole of europe and the usa helped them. whatever you think of putin its obvious he feels threatened like russia has always felt threatened from the west. most people only look at this conflict from the ukrainian point of view and never the other way around.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Just give away some garden tools on freeserve. A young Ukrainian lady came to collect them this morning. We got chatting about Ukraine and Zelensky and she said he is the most disliked President ever. According to her he should have signed a peace deal but is being selfish because he wants to hang onto power. She said if peace arrives he has to call an election because he cancelled the last one and has run past that date by 1 year. She said virtually no one likes or trusts the bloke and he would get hammered in the election. Her cousin who is only 17 was forced into a miliary bus and taken for a weeks training before getting deployed on the front line.

She said she is petrified of the war continuing and worried Ukraine could be gone forever. I asked her if she would return after it's finished and she said return to what. banghead

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6974

Leggie43 wrote:

Just give away some garden tools on freeserve. A young Ukrainian lady came to collect them this morning. We got chatting about Ukraine and Zelensky and she said he is the most disliked President ever. According to her he should have signed a peace deal but is being selfish because he wants to hang onto power. She said if peace arrives he has to call an election because he cancelled the last one and has run past that date by 1 year. She said virtually no one likes or trusts the bloke and he would get hammered in the election. Her cousin who is only 17 was forced into a miliary bus and taken for a weeks training before getting deployed on the front line.

She said she is petrified of the war continuing and worried Ukraine could be gone forever. I asked her if she would return after it's finished and she said return to what. banghead

1 persons opinion, Churchill never called an election during WW2, an election is impossible as more than a few thousand Ukrainians are in temporary exile.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36222

Jamie1952 wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Just give away some garden tools on freeserve. A young Ukrainian lady came to collect them this morning. We got chatting about Ukraine and Zelensky and she said he is the most disliked President ever. According to her he should have signed a peace deal but is being selfish because he wants to hang onto power. She said if peace arrives he has to call an election because he cancelled the last one and has run past that date by 1 year. She said virtually no one likes or trusts the bloke and he would get hammered in the election. Her cousin who is only 17 was forced into a miliary bus and taken for a weeks training before getting deployed on the front line.

She said she is petrified of the war continuing and worried Ukraine could be gone forever. I asked her if she would return after it's finished and she said return to what. banghead

1 persons opinion, Churchill never called an election during WW2, an election is impossible as more than a few thousand Ukrainians are in temporary exile.

There was a War Cabinet of five people the top two were Churchill and his Deputy Clement Atlee( Labour Leader who stood in for Churchill during his bouts of illness)..The other Labour member was Ernie Bevin who Churchill valued highly for his ability.
No need for an election as the two top politicians were in agreement….the Liberals were an irrelevance.

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 923

Leggie43 wrote:

Just give away some garden tools on freeserve. A young Ukrainian lady came to collect them this morning. We got chatting about Ukraine and Zelensky and she said he is the most disliked President ever. According to her he should have signed a peace deal but is being selfish because he wants to hang onto power. She said if peace arrives he has to call an election because he cancelled the last one and has run past that date by 1 year. She said virtually no one likes or trusts the bloke and he would get hammered in the election. Her cousin who is only 17 was forced into a miliary bus and taken for a weeks training before getting deployed on the front line.

She said she is petrified of the war continuing and worried Ukraine could be gone forever. I asked her if she would return after it's finished and she said return to what. banghead

Change Ukrainian to Russian and Zelensky to Putin and I reckon that's bang on.
There's over 30 Ukrainians working on the site I'm on...all sound blokes...and everyone who I've spoken to have nothing but praise for Zelensky.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36222

What aren’t they at home in the Army defending their country…?

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3847

Why are they not back home doing his fighting for him then?

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

MutleyRules wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Just give away some garden tools on freeserve. A young Ukrainian lady came to collect them this morning. We got chatting about Ukraine and Zelensky and she said he is the most disliked President ever. According to her he should have signed a peace deal but is being selfish because he wants to hang onto power. She said if peace arrives he has to call an election because he cancelled the last one and has run past that date by 1 year. She said virtually no one likes or trusts the bloke and he would get hammered in the election. Her cousin who is only 17 was forced into a miliary bus and taken for a weeks training before getting deployed on the front line.

She said she is petrified of the war continuing and worried Ukraine could be gone forever. I asked her if she would return after it's finished and she said return to what. banghead

Change Ukrainian to Russian and Zelensky to Putin and I reckon that's bang on.
There's over 30 Ukrainians working on the site I'm on...all sound blokes...and everyone who I've spoken to have nothing but praise for Zelensky.

I am only passing on the young ladies comments which I though interesting. We all know one opinion counts for nothing but there you have it.

Incidentally I have just had a look to see if I can find out if this man is really liked by the people like the ones you work with. I found a few but so far it does appear the majority have a different opinion about the bloke. I will look later when I have more time to see what the general feelings are and report back.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Duplicated post

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Snowy wrote:

What aren’t they at home in the Army defending their country…?

No need they just drag younguns off the street and make them fight. rakxe

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 923

Snowy wrote:

What aren’t they at home in the Army defending their country…?

Because the ones on site are in there 60's so I presume that's why.

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 923

PTID wrote:

Why are they not back home doing his fighting for him then?

See above.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3847

No room for them in Ukraines Dads army??

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36222

MutleyRules wrote:

Snowy wrote:

What aren’t they at home in the Army defending their country…?

Because the ones on site are in there 60's so I presume that's why.

There’s other things you can do that don’t involve actually fighting, all army’s need support and other departments of government to fight a war…it takes more than just soldiers to win a war….it takes back up.

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 923

The money they send home and take home probably helps.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Leggie43 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

What aren’t they at home in the Army defending their country…?

No need they just drag younguns off the street and make them fight. rakxe

Funny that, the Yanks recently were complaining that Ukraine had set its minimum age too high and were not doing enough to match Russias numbers. The Ukrainians wanted to protect the young adult generation. Probably why Russia takes ground, they couldn't give a flying one about their people.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36222

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

What aren’t they at home in the Army defending their country…?

No need they just drag younguns off the street and make them fight. rakxe

Funny that, the Yanks recently were complaining that Ukraine had set its minimum age too high and were not doing enough to match Russias numbers. The Ukrainians wanted to protect the young adult generation. Probably why Russia takes ground, they couldn't give a flying one about their people.

That doesn’t explain why Ukrainian blokes are working over here when needed to help out at home.?

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Snowy wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

What aren’t they at home in the Army defending their country…?

No need they just drag younguns off the street and make them fight. rakxe

Funny that, the Yanks recently were complaining that Ukraine had set its minimum age too high and were not doing enough to match Russias numbers. The Ukrainians wanted to protect the young adult generation. Probably why Russia takes ground, they couldn't give a flying one about their people.

That doesn’t explain why Ukrainian blokes are working over here when needed to help out at home.?

Wasn't trying to explain that. Keep up.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36222

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Snowy wrote:

What aren’t they at home in the Army defending their country…?

No need they just drag younguns off the street and make them fight. rakxe

Funny that, the Yanks recently were complaining that Ukraine had set its minimum age too high and were not doing enough to match Russias numbers. The Ukrainians wanted to protect the young adult generation. Probably why Russia takes ground, they couldn't give a flying one about their people.

That doesn’t explain why Ukrainian blokes are working over here when needed to help out at home.?

Wasn't trying to explain that. Keep up.

I’m always just behind you……. :scared-ghostface:

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6600

Jamie1952 wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Just give away some garden tools on freeserve. A young Ukrainian lady came to collect them this morning. We got chatting about Ukraine and Zelensky and she said he is the most disliked President ever. According to her he should have signed a peace deal but is being selfish because he wants to hang onto power. She said if peace arrives he has to call an election because he cancelled the last one and has run past that date by 1 year. She said virtually no one likes or trusts the bloke and he would get hammered in the election. Her cousin who is only 17 was forced into a miliary bus and taken for a weeks training before getting deployed on the front line.

She said she is petrified of the war continuing and worried Ukraine could be gone forever. I asked her if she would return after it's finished and she said return to what. banghead

1 persons opinion, Churchill never called an election during WW2, an election is impossible as more than a few thousand Ukrainians are in temporary exile.

Almost said you are being ridiculous, But on second thoughts silly is more Apt.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Doesn't matter. We are supporting Ukraine and going up to the big 3% and beyond. clappp

horden · **Posted:** Tue Mar 04, 2025 8:28 pm

MutleyRules wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Just give away some garden tools on freeserve. A young Ukrainian lady came to collect them this morning. We got chatting about Ukraine and Zelensky and she said he is the most disliked President ever. According to her he should have signed a peace deal but is being selfish because he wants to hang onto power. She said if peace arrives he has to call an election because he cancelled the last one and has run past that date by 1 year. She said virtually no one likes or trusts the bloke and he would get hammered in the election. Her cousin who is only 17 was forced into a miliary bus and taken for a weeks training before getting deployed on the front line.

She said she is petrified of the war continuing and worried Ukraine could be gone forever. I asked her if she would return after it's finished and she said return to what. banghead

Change Ukrainian to Russian and Zelensky to Putin and I reckon that's bang on.
There's over 30 Ukrainians working on the site I'm on...all sound blokes...and everyone who I've spoken to have nothing but praise for Zelensky.

No wonder they are running desperately low on soldiers, they're all on building sites in the UK, maybe they should consider going home and helping the war effort

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36222

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Doesn't matter. We are supporting Ukraine and going up to the big 3% and beyond. clappp

Events have passed you by…..the 3% in three years time was never enough anyway incidentally.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2513

Snowy wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Doesn't matter. We are supporting Ukraine and going up to the big 3% and beyond. clappp

Events have passed you by…..the 3% in three years time was never enough anyway incidentally.

No Snowy. It's all still on. Sorry. I would have doubled it personally. It's going in the right direction though with a cheeky couple of billion for Ukraine. Splendid.

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 923

horden wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Just give away some garden tools on freeserve. A young Ukrainian lady came to collect them this morning. We got chatting about Ukraine and Zelensky and she said he is the most disliked President ever. According to her he should have signed a peace deal but is being selfish because he wants to hang onto power. She said if peace arrives he has to call an election because he cancelled the last one and has run past that date by 1 year. She said virtually no one likes or trusts the bloke and he would get hammered in the election. Her cousin who is only 17 was forced into a miliary bus and taken for a weeks training before getting deployed on the front line.

She said she is petrified of the war continuing and worried Ukraine could be gone forever. I asked her if she would return after it's finished and she said return to what. banghead

Change Ukrainian to Russian and Zelensky to Putin and I reckon that's bang on.
There's over 30 Ukrainians working on the site I'm on...all sound blokes...and everyone who I've spoken to have nothing but praise for Zelensky.

No wonder they are running desperately low on soldiers, they're all on building sites in the UK, maybe they should consider going home and helping the war effort

Yes they are all in their 60's and beyond...try reading instead of jumping in with both feet.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36222

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Doesn't matter. We are supporting Ukraine and going up to the big 3% and beyond. clappp

Events have passed you by…..the 3% in three years time was never enough anyway incidentally.

No Snowy. It's all still on. Sorry. I would have doubled it personally. It's going in the right direction though with a cheeky couple of billion for Ukraine. Splendid.

It should never have got that low in the first place and the Tory’s were the worst of a bad bunch on defence spending as I found out.
Funny how everyone has started raising their defence budgets when crude facts, but true facts, smacked them in the face.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36222

MutleyRules wrote:

horden wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Just give away some garden tools on freeserve. A young Ukrainian lady came to collect them this morning. We got chatting about Ukraine and Zelensky and she said he is the most disliked President ever. According to her he should have signed a peace deal but is being selfish because he wants to hang onto power. She said if peace arrives he has to call an election because he cancelled the last one and has run past that date by 1 year. She said virtually no one likes or trusts the bloke and he would get hammered in the election. Her cousin who is only 17 was forced into a miliary bus and taken for a weeks training before getting deployed on the front line.

She said she is petrified of the war continuing and worried Ukraine could be gone forever. I asked her if she would return after it's finished and she said return to what. banghead

Change Ukrainian to Russian and Zelensky to Putin and I reckon that's bang on.
There's over 30 Ukrainians working on the site I'm on...all sound blokes...and everyone who I've spoken to have nothing but praise for Zelensky.

No wonder they are running desperately low on soldiers, they're all on building sites in the UK, maybe they should consider going home and helping the war effort

Yes they are all in their 60's and beyond...try reading instead of jumping in with both feet.

60’s is nothing. Horden is right, you can help your country by being part of the support structure the armed forces need,
Army’s without supplies lose wars, bravery only goes so far.
Try facing facts.

MutleyRules · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:38 am **Posts:** 923

Can't be arsed.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36222

Me neither, but I’ve got an ‘ology’ in it.

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