Why now, 3 years in to a war thousands of miles away, are we prepared to put our servicemen and women's lives in harms way against? Our armed forces are at their lowest ever levels and are pretty much insignificant against the might of Russia, why are we and not the near neighbours the EU just.ping to the front of the queue to potentially sacrifice young lives?

I think there will be others stepping forward today.

It’ll be another UN operation.

I did a UN tour in Cyprus back in the 80’s and got a medal for it. It’s known colloquially as the ‘Ambre Solair Medal’, it’s completely worthless. The only thing I heard go bang was a shaken up beer can!

It sounds like it will be in a peacekeeping capacity.

Because Starmer is attempting to a) portray himself as a strong leader and statesman (titter ye not), b) trying to restore relationships with the EU states after they were all but destroyed by the Tories during Brexit and c) butter up to his buddy Zelensky. It would be interesting to see a poll of UK citizens regarding the continuation of throwing UK lives and yet more £m into the Ukraine black hole - but that would never be permitted of course.

if only ukraine was the only interest most people had on their minds it would not be too bad. it must go well down the list of priorities most people have and they want to see the taxes they pay used a bit closer to home.

This was after the Munich summit….after the preivious Munich summit in 1938 we had ‘Peace in out time’…….it went tits up…..funnily enough the forces had been getting run down for years then.

So the French Pillock stamps his feet and everyone goes running - what is Trump going to do? Clutch his handbag to his chest - or laugh at the irrelevant Europeans and challenge 'us' to put some boots on the ground or shut up and fade away? And if we step forward, the boots will be Chinese made, the rust will need removing from the weapons, and we'll have to increase the recruitment fees paid to the likes of Serco....

Aren’t Ukrainians far away people with whom we have nothing in common?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/131 ... y-country/

Maybe they will all be able to return to Ukraine once peace is established.

For those who haven't a great deal of interest in history, these were the words spoken by Chamberlain about Czechoslovakia when Hitler invaded them and he was urged to assist the Czechs.

Of course they are, the same as many other foreign states in countless other foreign wars since WW2. This includes European countries such as Hungary in the fifties and Czechoslovakia in the late 60’s where Soviet Russia invaded, rolling in their tanks and troops to suppress the local upstarts. No intervention whatsoever by the UK apart from the Falklands which were and still are UK territory.

In respect of Ukraine however, for whatever reason (doubtless at the behest of Senile JoJo) the Tories made a big deal of the necessity of supporting the failed actor Zelensky in an illogical attempt to drive the Ruskies out of Ukraine. The rest is history including the drain of many £UK millions. Now that Statesman Starmer has picked up the baton, it’s not just £UKb that will be lost but more than likely, UK lives.

We have to make a stand and this is definitely the time to up our defence spending. Otherwise Russia will be the dominant force in a new European world where the Yanks don't give a toss and are career criminals anyway. Also we have to spend wisely on modern tech and not the old armaments that take decades to develop.

Gobshite Alert NO10

I take it you don't like my post, well sorry if it displeases you. Can you give me a list of acceptable topics and of course your own opinions so that I only post stuff that you like?
It's a forum, the initial post has elicited response and discussion, which is the point of a forum. If you don't like anything I post that's fine don't read it, but unless you're the forum police just f*ck right off!!

Thank goodness nobody in authority is buying this simplistic 'it costs money' , 'it's too far away to matter' crap.

The yanks are right. They aren't denying that Ukraine needs security, or the rest of Europe come to that. They will continue some support in the background but they have other priorities elsewhere in the world and Europe needs to step up and take care of Europe.

You’re on my wavelength sir…

Trouble is, most of the countries in Europe are run by liberal wet blankets who find this business disconcerting to their idyll.
Too many conflicting opinions to arrive at a decision, no surprise there then.

And/or they've got populations who take freedom and security for granted,.

Well now's the time to wake up

Thank You.

We the army should be deployed on our cities streets,never mind anywhere else.

They’ll fudge their way around it, they always do.

The forum Police is/was derwent.

Is.

Well said sir, why should you be shouted down and abused simply because others don’t concur with your views. The would-be warmongers posting in blind support of Starrmer’s inane ego-building ‘send in the troops’ policy should bear in mind that should the regular UK army start taking heavy casualties against Russian, North Korean (and God knows who else has a grudge against the West) in defence of a worthless foreign state then the next step will be conscription. This won’t only involve sons and grandsons but may also include daughters and granddaughters. Equality works both ways Im afraid.

Those quoting history lessons from the 1930’s should remember that diplomacy and detente has kept the peace for 80 years, why should these philosophies be abandoned now simply to enable Comrade Zelensky to retain a war torn section of his wasteland? Putin may well be a twat but he’s not Adolf Hitler, if he was of the same ilk he would already have wiped out Ukraine using his tactical nukes or those provided from the North Korean arsenal.

I agree.

Agree 100% - the real threat to the UK lies within, not without as is now being realised in other European states, more especially Germany and France. So, let’s send all of troops to Ukraine - which nugget came up with that bright idea?

They aren't going to go in when the 'Invasion' is still ongoing...they will go in after hostilities have stopped as peacekeepers...along with a number of other Countries. Thought that was obvious.

I might have mentioned it before but our greatest threat lies within. We have allowed the saracen hoards to invade and even welcomed them. This is the danger within.

As for their free meals in the big mosque, they can fook right off! I notice that it’s all wrapped up in a lecture on the wonderfullness of allah, mohammed and Islam. It’s nothing but a grooming exercise.

Well surprise surprise, there's no real rush from our European friends to commit to putting their troops into Ukraine.

It IS obvious, I’m referring to a potential scenario where a UK army is resident, a ceasefire exists, minor incursion/skirmish occurs and all hell breaks loose. A NATO peacekeeping force or a consortium of European nation troops is probably going to be needed to stop Zelensky from whinging. Starmer pretending that he’s Winston Churchill, sending our troops in unilateralism is unacceptable.

WTF??!!??

I agree. WTF indeed.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, world leaders realise that you can't just stick your head under the covers until the bogey man goes away.

Well said, expect the 80 years bit because the balance of power and some liberalism was involved. Also the last 80 years has seen a cold war come and go, a war on terror and the rise of China so theres been loads of variation in how to keep the peace, who to keep it with and the general balance of power. Also if it wasn't for nukes there probably wouldn't have been peace. Also there were lots of proxy wars. Putin is an awful lot like Hitler. Also he couldn't nuke Ukraine as that would contaminate his country too and land that he wants and probably lead ro escalation. Apart from that, bravo, a fellow student of history.

If Russia get their own way and we don’t back Ukraine China would see it as a signal to attack Taiwan.

Germany and Poland have declared they don’t want to be involved.
Looks like it’s crumbling before their very eyes, no surprise there then.
An army with that many different leaders and therefore personal interests at stake, ain’t a threat to anyone.

and those are the two counries that have had soviet troups on their soil. whoever russia decides to attack and that includes china so many in this country would side with the country they attack no matter of the provacation they caused.

fighting on two fronts has always been a problem.

Barking up the wrong tree Fella, As PITD

My post
"Gobshite Alert NO10"

Which obviously refers to the Kunt who resides at No10 Downing St.
Now if i have upset his follows then tough.

Obvious to some!

Don,t see much of this on the Main Stream Media.

https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1891442955224743973

Because the Gobshite at No10, Thinks hes a misunderstood person and if WE speak out we are RWing.

Apologies Mr Grey thought you were saying I was the gobshite for the 10th time, hence my response.

Who are we going to side with? The attackers?

There is a massive misconception that doing nothing is some kind of safe option. It absolutely is not. The peace hasn't been kept by people doing nothing. It's been kept by someone having a big stick and convincing others that they world weild it if they had to. Peace through strength.

For ages we and the rest of Europe have had someone who would do that for us. Now they are telling us they won't any more. Time to step up and do it ourselves with European allies. Perhaps like Trump said, one or two need a scare to be reminded of how fragile everything else they see as important really is.

Anyway the thread is getting far too smothered in bigotry (each to their own) for my liking so I'll end there. See you in another topic.

Think Starmer should have said nothing until after it becomes clear what the future of Ukraine will look like, and obviously until after he'd met with the other European leaders. He's also not in a position to make demands of Trump and the US.

Starmer is trying to beef up his image from adenoidal geek son of a toolmaker, to Genghis Schwarzastarmer Warrior …more Monty Python’s Black knight if the truth be known.

No problem with you PTID, Now Kevin and Leggie on the other hand, Well.
Only JoeKing fellows you know i luvs you all

Hes like an open book Snowy, I stopped reading after about 7 days in power.
Cannot see how he is going to pull the Party round, Seems totally knackered.

My fault PTID, Many a time i talk in riddles.

Totally agree. He's trying to look the tough guy with all the answers and, like everything else he does, he makes himself look the fool. The only trouble with that though is he makes our country look silly with him.