It looks like to start winning again we will have to drop down a division or 2.

This division is to high standard for us to compete.
Sad as Fcuk but 100% Factual.

It's a takeover or a Restart.
The takeover ship has sailed to New Zealand tho.

Patience has a timescale.
It's wearing very very thin nowadays.

the biggest surprise is when you look at the league table and see we are 12th. What i have seen this season right from the outset is we are a hard watch and worse than our actual league position is. could say this current squad are overachieving.

he,ll never get crazy offer. people with big money to spend do not get it by splashing out over the odds to purchase anything. do not know if this thing exists but having a group of outsiders coming in, checking the books and everything about the club could come up with the price the club is actually worth.

You buy a business you buy the assets, what assets to Pools have, not much collateral in the ground or even the squad, then you will have to ‘buy’ the debt of Clarence 18, the business Singh uses to run Pools.
I am not a financial expert someone correct me if I am wrong but IOR used Pools as a loss making arm of their company or others to the tune of a million pounds a season registering HUFC in some tax haven.
Why can’t Singh do the same ?

hate the murky world of finance with its rules and regs. just thinking however that if someone with money did come in and pay the clubs debts off the costs of doing that and financing a promotion winning team would end up less than doing the same for clubs with less fans and rebuilding the whole ground from scratch like what has happened at salford and fleetwood and in some ways harrogate. at least at pools we have a decent fanbase at least.

That million pounds a year was always bollocks. IOR charged all sorts of management and staff costs to Pools probably to avoid tax. Maybe on paper it existed but in reality those costs would not have been there as a stand alone business.

Going back to the words I used on the day I started this post….would anyone take a one off plunge….?

So I again repeat my first post……..just gonna accept this farce…?

Sadly we have too many excuse makers. I think we've got nowt left to lose.

Apathy reigns….
The ship is slowly sinking, but it reality it comes to the point where it suddenly capsizes……tipping point, how far away…?

I think it will really sink in for the happy clappers at the start of next season

Mani D, Grey, Mancini Madine and Dodds all gone, some new random manager and some prospects from the league below lining up alongside Featherstone (again) Charman and Sloggett….an early home loss against god knows what shite and people will realize next years a relegation battle !

I wonder if Singh has the cheek to claim he’s going for the playoffs again next year, even he can’t think the fans are that stupid can he?

I still don't think it will sink in for some. Looking at the home attendances, it has for sunk in for many already.

But remember we can't do anything about it...we just have to go along with it and not raise our concerns etc.
That's what the former Moderator always said.

The game in general has lost its S P O R T title.
More like an industry today run by idiots who burgle wages with their bullshit.
( Lennie etc not just at Pools).
Who now employ pretendy footballers who ain't worthy to wear their clubs shirts.

We now in a division that is just to much for us even though it's tinpot shite it's ever been.

Scramble up next season then go down the season after.

Probably get by passed by Darlo Spenny Hebburn.

The futures shit.

Oh you will get a fair few with brown tongues playing the superfans module.
While slating the bastads IPTV fans.
Even though it's their away day fix.
Ye.

You can make a passive point by boycotting one match……no effort involved, no confrontation, just a shot across the bows, a warning.

23 will speed up the inevitable.

If ever a club would benefit from going bust, its this one. FFS! It wouldn't take a Phoenix club too long to get to where Pools currently are and to win and achieve more than the current incarnation has, which is basically diddly squat. I don't accept it, that's why I threw in my lot after Covid. When Singh goes, I might return, but as I say, my gut feeling is I think we'd be no worse off, probably better, if we started again from scratch.

Totally agree Horden.

history of other clubs have proved the opposite. however the club spin would go into overdrive if we stormed up from the lower reaches on non league football to only get where we are now. then in good old pools tradition the team would manage to cock it up at the mighty brighouse town in the play offs and that would be at a level below stockton. yes great. bring it on.

history of other clubs have proved the opposite. however the club spin would go into overdrive if we stormed up from the lower reaches on non league football to only get where we are now. then in good old pools tradition the team would manage to cock it up at the mighty brighouse town in the play offs and that would be at a level below stockton. yes great. bring it on.

That's who we're going to be playing soon anyway. At least it would be Singh free.

we are actually as far away from playing these teams as we are playing wrexham ans stockport again. what we need is a plan B to become singhless and be as we are now. being without him is no good unless his replacement has bigger pockets, willing to open them for the good of the club. a carbon copy of raj is just pointless as we at least know what we are up against with him where we do not with a new single owner or a consortium.

Not necessarily bigger pockets, just better at being an owner. Plan B relies on him valuing the club at a level where someone will buy the club so may as well forget about plan B.

With respect, I totally reject the idea of staying with Raj just because we know who he is. Clubs world never ever change hands if that was the case. We had an offer from people known to, and vetted by Poolies un HUST. People were still advocating sticking with Raj. Utter madness.

Speaking for myself, my answer to the question is no I don't accept it.
I have not attended a home league match this season and only one away and that away game made my mind up for me. It was Ebbsfleet.
I spent a lot of money attending that game with train fares etc and was totally disillusioned and on the long journey home decided to give the whole thing a temporary swerve until the performances matched the effort and cost it took me to attend. Attending home games is a two hundred mile round trip by road up and down the A1, or a train ticket. I decided to take to the armchair and watch the matches that were screened live until the performances and results encouraged me to get up and go. That encouragement has not yet been forthcoming and am beginning to face the fact that my travelling days are coming to an end, at least for the forseeable future. This season I have not bought any merchandise, nor have my girls. To compound the issue, my wife will not be seen dead in the Vic while Walter Mitty Shithead has any involvement and she usually does the driving so I can have a pint. My absence has nothing to do with boycotts or starving the club of money. What's on offer and the effort it takes to watch what's on offer are the deciding factors.

That's the problem it's been a hard watch and costs a bloody fortune now. Entertainment is rare in this league. I rarely go now which I never ever thought would happen, I will take in the york game , at least the game will have a bit of atmosphere but after that I'm not sure.

Aye sitting in the cold watching shite isn't much fun. Neither is fighting your way up and down the A1. I have to put up with all three on a February Tuesday. Just not worth the bother. Never thought it would come to this.

I think the obvious thing that disillusioned fans can do is join the Trust and or the Supporters Association. I’m in both and I know that if the unthinkable happens then at least there are a couple of organisations that will fight to save the club . Be prepared.

Similar to me Derwent only mine is a 400 mile round trip up to the Vic. I've only been to one away game this season and that was Brackley in the cup. What a fucking embarrassment that was.

Only saving grace was that Snarl deservedly got the bullet afterwards. Like to think I had a hand in that decision after venting my spleen at the final whistle, by telling him to fuck off, as he made his way over to the travelling contingent behind the
goal!

That is a long way to travel for home games Mr K. I don't think I would attempt doing that in one day at my age.

Cheeky quote Mr Gee

Stockton won again last night.
Surely we not Gunna lose our status of being the best NE non league club!!

Missing the point here…most fans WILL scratch their head and say what can they do about it….But those who want action talk…… but sit on their hands…..but still no action.
A one game boycott would get the message across…..but …plenty of people talk but never get beyond talk…they just…talk.

No boycott required , the season is over and I can’t see many queuing up to go, crowds could drop to season ticket holders only, no idea how many that is, 2500 ?

Disagree, a shot across the bows is needed in some form otherwise you’re classed as docile sheep.

I agree, enough is enough - last night was the last straw for most of us. The next home game is a high profile one for the club and until quite recently Pools were head and shoulders above York City, remember completely outplaying them at their spanking new stadium? Pools are light years away from making such progress, whether its voting with our feet or a visible protest on the day I for one would be up for it.

Something somewhere definitely needs to be done now. Those at the top are getting away with all this very easily. Enough is enough time for some sort of action.

I’ve been patient down the years, but this malaise is beyond understanding, …this has to stop because we’re slowly drifting into the joke club category.
How many managers have we had that are quickly disposed of …..were they all useless or was it impatience…. only God knows and even he’s got his doubts.
I see no end to this suicidal cycle of running a club like this.

but york actually dropped lower than we have and at the time their fans also would be thinking exactly the same. think its more of a case that they had a plan where it seems we are happy to just roll along in this league without a plan A or B. stagnation is as bad as relegation.

I think the majority of them actually were useless Snowy, how many went on to even secure employment with other clubs let alone be successful? Pools location, recruitment process, salary offered and available budget have all influenced the quality of manager that have been appointed and sacked in recent years. Phil Parkinson is a quality manager with an excellent track record- he’s done a great job at Alti, bringing them out of the depths of NLN to genuine NL promotion contenders - but would Pools ever have been able to attract him here? On the other hand there were the likes of Curle, Askey, Money etc who also had half decent track records but failed miserably at Pools.

Like you I now believe that regime change truly is the only way to stop the rot at HUFC but it’s hard to envisage anything changing in the short or medium term.

I think if Pools dropped lower than the NL that would signal the end of the club as we know it. The likes of York and the other genuine NL promotion chasing outfits have owners who have the ambition and commitment (and cash) to elevate their clubs to a higher level. As far as I can see Raj Singh has no real interest in HUFC anymore, he’s happy for the club to tick over and yes, effectively stagnate as he’s not a Pools fan but he probably genuinely believes that he’s doing us all a favour by keeping the club alive - for now.

it took a change of qwnership at york to get where they now are and could easily be playing us next season. only stockport have dropped down below our level and got back where they are via a rich owner and a bigger fanbase that we would ever get. we certainly do need singh out but with someone here for the long haul with some money to burn and not short of patiance. the worry for york is if they do miss out this and next season will there owner still be around and just sell out to the highest bidder.

The main solution being offered is getting rid of Raj but people can't see, until Raj decides to pack it in, then he stays. The campaign to get rid of him is, so far, a failure. He is still here. That is the reality.
Attacking fellow fans for realising this reality is achieving what exactly, apart from causing division amongst the fans. We are not to blame, we have to stick together and repel anybody and anything that threatens division within our ranks. Once we're divided, we are conquered. One of the biggest insults our club have inflicted on us is appointing a fans representative, whilst snubbing our moral right to having a say in electing that individual. There appears to be little respect coming from the club and, in return, there is little respect from the fans for the club.
That is not healthy by any standards and we all need to give honest attention to that problem.

We used to have token one day strikes with it being said we will show them, back at work the next day some nursing hangovers from a day on the drink. You say 1 match boycott Singh knows the fans or what’s left of them will be back the following game, it wouldn’t concern him same as our employers knew we would be back the next day.

whatever fans think of doing or actually do i,d have a really strong think of it and its possible outcomes. fans use their hearts far more than their heads regarding football. without the club having a real plan B if raj walks out which i feel he could under any pressure i,d hate to be one of those who put the club in a worse state than they feel it is now. there are more problems that can be created in a poolie world post singh than real benefits unless you know of a mate or a few of them with more money than sense.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with the reason there aren't protests - fans are worried he'd pull the plug, as he has form for it. The quiet drift away might inadvertently be the most effective tactic to be honest. Income must surely be way down and money from season tickets spent. If he's digging into his own pockets, Raj wouldn't be happy. Hard to say much for certain though, given how murky finances are and the lack of communication.

The ship sinks slowly or quickly….the keep Raj option is the slow option that wears the fan base down and out…remember, a one match boycott is a shot across the bows, a warning… not the end of , just the start.

I don’t believe for 1 minute Singh is digging in to his own pocket, he just increases the debt, as long as he can service the debt it isn’t a problem, I doubt he would use his own money to do that.

Treading water ain’t gonna move us forward.