Starmer blaming Amazon

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3708

PTID wrote:

And there's a better starting point, crackdown on people which have links to terrorist groups regardless of where they were born. In fact make it illegal to be associated with a terrorist group. Oh shit it already is, but those pesky radicalised monsters aren't following the rules.

Indeed, and the people who are supposed to be monitoring all this are shit at their job. This Welsh choir boy was referred to "Prevent" on three occasions .

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

My God, you'd think the last government were brilliant or there was someone great waiting in the wings such is the level of moaning on here. I really don't know what it's motivated by. I get the feeling that there was a predisposition to dislike Labour on here. Are you all tories or followers of that loathsome shit weasel Farage instead? That might be even weirder. I can understand apathy, totally makes sense but thinking they are the answer is baffling.

I will spell it out. A man purchased a knife and then took a taxi to a place he knew some small girls were having a dance class. He then proceeded to stab to death as many of the children he could. He stabbed them multiple times. Can you imagine the horror and fear those children went through? Ten others were stabbed but not killed. How can they or others in the room ever get over this? Our Prime minister then imposes a news black out and the families of the victims are not allowed to speak and anyone who tried to discuss the issue on line was threatened with prosecution and some are actually jailed for their on line activity. He accuses people of spreading disinformation but allows the idea that the perpetrator was a Welsh schoolboy and the only images of him allowed are those of him in his school uniform. Our Prime Minister hides behind the indea the trial might be compromised if anyone speaks of this despite the fact other terroist incidents have been desctibed as such long before their trial. The possession of terrorist paraphanalia was revealed in October but this somehow didnt prejudice the trial even though it was known about the day after the murders and should have been revealed then. This is not about Tory v Labour.

On the money Ozzy. clappp

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

The kunt managed to get though the age verification needed for a knife on Amazon using false information.
Also the delivery driver is supposed to ask for age id as well.
Might as well arrest the delivery driver for delivering a potential murder weapon!!!!

I suspect the Amazon nonsense is part of the global plan of control by them and sadly using this horrible crime to push the ID agenda. rakxe

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2514

14 years of Tory rule but it's Labours fault cos they had 3 weeks to sort it out?

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3853

F*ck me, so now instead of recognising that the legislators of today need to get to the root and sort a growing issue within this country you revert to making it a party political thing.
Government is meant to govern, Starmer has been in power for 6 months and owns this.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

PTID wrote:

F*ck me, so now instead of recognising that the legislators of today need to get to the root and sort a growing issue within this country you revert to making it a party political thing.
Government is meant to govern, Starmer has been in power for 6 months and owns this.

Spot on PTID

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3708

Pooly_Imp wrote:

14 years of Tory rule but it's Labours fault cos they had 3 weeks to sort it out?

Starmer was PM when Southport happened. The way he lied, supressed the truth, called people far right, diverted attention etc is entirely down to him, no one else. What happened in Southport was made worse by Starmer, not the Tories.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:53 pm

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

And?? What about all the UK born Murderers Oddie??

Axel Rudakubana - UK born
Michael Adebolajo - UK born
Michael Adebowale - UK born
Salman Abedi - UK born
Hashem Abedi - UK born

Do you really want me to name all the last White UK Murderers from say the last 20 years??

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3853

It'll be a shorter list than Black and Asian yet they only account for a small proportion of the general population. Probably a coincidence?

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2514

PTID wrote:

F*ck me, so now instead of recognising that the legislators of today need to get to the root and sort a growing issue within this country you revert to making it a party political thing.
Government is meant to govern, Starmer has been in power for 6 months and owns this.

He does own sorting out the mess he inherited. Yes.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3853

Then apart from blaming Amazon what has he done in 6 months?

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3708

MutleyRules wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

And?? What about all the UK born Murderers Oddie??

Axel Rudakubana - UK born
Michael Adebolajo - UK born
Michael Adebowale - UK born
Salman Abedi - UK born
Hashem Abedi - UK born

Do you really want me to name all the last White UK Murderers from say the last 20 years??

Here's a question for you. Do you understand the difference between a terrorist murder and a murder that isnt a terrorist murder?

In the last 20 years, the only white bloke found guilty of a terrorist murder was the loon who killed Labour MP Jo Cox. All the other terrorist murders including mass murders, were not carried out by white people. Lots of the stabbings and shootings in London are not carried out by white people but they are not terrorist murderers either. In other words, of course white people commit murder but not usually because they wish to spread terror.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36235

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

And?? What about all the UK born Murderers Oddie??

Axel Rudakubana - UK born
Michael Adebolajo - UK born
Michael Adebowale - UK born
Salman Abedi - UK born
Hashem Abedi - UK born

Do you really want me to name all the last White UK Murderers from say the last 20 years??

Here's a question for you. Do you understand the difference between a terrorist murder and a murder that isnt a terrorist murder?

In the last 20 years, the only white bloke found guilty of a terrorist murder was the loon who killed Labour MP Jo Cox. All the other terrorist murders including mass murders, were not carried out by white people. Lots of the stabbings and shootings in London are not carried out by white people but they are not terrorist murderers either. In other words, of course white people commit murder but not usually because they wish to spread terror.

Too many facts there Ozzy.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:51 am

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

And?? What about all the UK born Murderers Oddie??

Axel Rudakubana - UK born
Michael Adebolajo - UK born
Michael Adebowale - UK born
Salman Abedi - UK born
Hashem Abedi - UK born

Do you really want me to name all the last White UK Murderers from say the last 20 years??

Here's a question for you. Do you understand the difference between a terrorist murder and a murder that isnt a terrorist murder?

In the last 20 years, the only white bloke found guilty of a terrorist murder was the loon who killed Labour MP Jo Cox. All the other terrorist murders including mass murders, were not carried out by white people. Lots of the stabbings and shootings in London are not carried out by white people but they are not terrorist murderers either. In other words, of course white people commit murder but not usually because they wish to spread terror.

The Judge in the Southport Case explained why the killing of the three little girls wasn't a Terrorist Act in his summing up Oddie.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:51 am

Snowy wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

And?? What about all the UK born Murderers Oddie??

Axel Rudakubana - UK born
Michael Adebolajo - UK born
Michael Adebowale - UK born
Salman Abedi - UK born
Hashem Abedi - UK born

Do you really want me to name all the last White UK Murderers from say the last 20 years??

Here's a question for you. Do you understand the difference between a terrorist murder and a murder that isnt a terrorist murder?

In the last 20 years, the only white bloke found guilty of a terrorist murder was the loon who killed Labour MP Jo Cox. All the other terrorist murders including mass murders, were not carried out by white people. Lots of the stabbings and shootings in London are not carried out by white people but they are not terrorist murderers either. In other words, of course white people commit murder but not usually because they wish to spread terror.

Too many facts there Ozzy.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3708

MutleyRules wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

And?? What about all the UK born Murderers Oddie??

Axel Rudakubana - UK born
Michael Adebolajo - UK born
Michael Adebowale - UK born
Salman Abedi - UK born
Hashem Abedi - UK born

Do you really want me to name all the last White UK Murderers from say the last 20 years??

Here's a question for you. Do you understand the difference between a terrorist murder and a murder that isnt a terrorist murder?

In the last 20 years, the only white bloke found guilty of a terrorist murder was the loon who killed Labour MP Jo Cox. All the other terrorist murders including mass murders, were not carried out by white people. Lots of the stabbings and shootings in London are not carried out by white people but they are not terrorist murderers either. In other words, of course white people commit murder but not usually because they wish to spread terror.

The Judge in the Southport Case explained why the killing of the three little girls wasn't a Terrorist Act in his summing up Oddie.

So we can argue about legal definitions or we can look at what actually happened. It was decided there was not enough evidence to link Rubukabana to any particular terroris group so he couldnt be charged as a terrorist. Some would say this is reasonable. Others would say that the nature of what he actually did was the very essence of a terrorist act: using extreme violence to spread terror and instigate political unrest. Seems Rubukabana succeeded in this but in GB law is not considerd a terrorist. When reading about various crimes do you find you always agree with the judges summing up?

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3853

The guy had an Al Qaida terrorists handbook and was making Ricin at home, not too much of a stretch to link him to terrorism is there?
Police were told they couldn't link him to terrorism even though they wanted to.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3708

PTID wrote:

The guy had an Al Qaida terrorists handbook and was making Ricin at home, not too much of a stretch to link him to terrorism is there?
Police were told they couldn't link him to terrorism even though they wanted to.

Spot on. Sometimes "the law is an ass". This is one of those instances in my opinion. As the yanks would say: "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck".

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3853

Just think, if they'd an bounced straight away that a UK born male was in custody instead of keeping everything under wraps the riots probably wouldn't have happened too!

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Jan 26, 2025 10:35 am

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

And?? What about all the UK born Murderers Oddie??

Axel Rudakubana - UK born
Michael Adebolajo - UK born
Michael Adebowale - UK born
Salman Abedi - UK born
Hashem Abedi - UK born

Do you really want me to name all the last White UK Murderers from say the last 20 years??

Here's a question for you. Do you understand the difference between a terrorist murder and a murder that isnt a terrorist murder?

In the last 20 years, the only white bloke found guilty of a terrorist murder was the loon who killed Labour MP Jo Cox. All the other terrorist murders including mass murders, were not carried out by white people. Lots of the stabbings and shootings in London are not carried out by white people but they are not terrorist murderers either. In other words, of course white people commit murder but not usually because they wish to spread terror.

The Judge in the Southport Case explained why the killing of the three little girls wasn't a Terrorist Act in his summing up Oddie.

So we can argue about legal definitions or we can look at what actually happened. It was decided there was not enough evidence to link Rubukabana to any particular terroris group so he couldnt be charged as a terrorist. Some would say this is reasonable. Others would say that the nature of what he actually did was the very essence of a terrorist act: using extreme violence to spread terror and instigate political unrest. Seems Rubukabana succeeded in this but in GB law is not considerd a terrorist. When reading about various crimes do you find you always agree with the judges summing up?

I agree Oddie and the Government are looking at changing the law.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36235

It can be classed as an act of Terror ..whereas a Terrorist act is different, but the end result is the same.
It could be said that his actions has had more of a repercussion than most Terrorist acts committed in this country.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

PTID wrote:

The guy had an Al Qaida terrorists handbook and was making Ricin at home, not too much of a stretch to link him to terrorism is there?
Police were told they couldn't link him to terrorism even though they wanted to.

Spot on. Sometimes "the law is an ass". This is one of those instances in my opinion. As the yanks would say: "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck".

it would have been quite different if the police had broken into a home of a proper far right loon and found his bedroom full of nazi memorabelia, there would have been little didcussion to whether they were a nazi ot not.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

Ozzy Saltburn wrote:

MutleyRules wrote:

Stocksfield_Poolie wrote:

And?? What about all the UK born Murderers Oddie??

Axel Rudakubana - UK born
Michael Adebolajo - UK born
Michael Adebowale - UK born
Salman Abedi - UK born
Hashem Abedi - UK born

Do you really want me to name all the last White UK Murderers from say the last 20 years??

Here's a question for you. Do you understand the difference between a terrorist murder and a murder that isnt a terrorist murder?

In the last 20 years, the only white bloke found guilty of a terrorist murder was the loon who killed Labour MP Jo Cox. All the other terrorist murders including mass murders, were not carried out by white people. Lots of the stabbings and shootings in London are not carried out by white people but they are not terrorist murderers either. In other words, of course white people commit murder but not usually because they wish to spread terror.

if you look at percentages on top of this its even worse with terrorism and knife crime. feel white british commit different types of violent crimes but as a nation being terrorists and weapon carriers is not in our dna.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36235

If we are talking percentages, we should consider ratios too.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18756

Snowy wrote:

If we are talking percentages, we should consider ratios too.

yes like a smaller percentage doing the highest number of offences. not expecting these figures to be announced in the future before they get manipulated to suit those in power.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36235

Pooly_Imp wrote:

14 years of Tory rule but it's Labours fault cos they had 3 weeks to sort it out?

Yes, it is.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3853

The last 6 months don't count btw.

Starmer blaming Amazon

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