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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 11:15 am 
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Btw, these reports are of asylum seekers hanging about primary school gates and among the kids!! Are you not alarmed, is it acceptable? I can't even video my grandkids nativity play in a controlled and vetted space ffs.
Parents have taken their kids out of school due to this, I'd this acceptable? No doubt the parents will get fined for unauthorised absense in our woke and welcoming new world.
Donald's got it spot on says he'll remove them the day before inauguration, starts flights the day after.
If they want asylum, go through lawful channels so that we can check who you are, your background and why you want to be here. I'm not aware of any of our closest neighbouring countries being one of persecution or threat to people living there.

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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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Story today of lots of these illegal immigrants leaving their hotels and frequently hanging around local primary schools. Apparently it's just a cultural thing!
F*cking terrifying thing I'd say, some of these will be from countries where marriage and effectively rape of minors is a part of their culture. Should be warned and dispersed then locked up if they persist. Or is this just enrichment of our culture through integration and diversification?


Read the article. It wasn't 'lots', you put that word in yourself. It wasn't schools plural, it was school singular, again your own addition. The whole cultural thing is hyped too. The police found nowt wrong, the reports were third party from social media. You hyped it. Dangerous stuff hyping. Ask that Tommy Robinson guy.

Howevee, I've got kids at primary school. Of course you're vigilant and take things seriously and reject excuses of culture. But I'm not grabbing me pitch fork and burning torch because of hype.

One school or ten schools is an irrelevant point…..a bit like saying it’s ok it was only one air crash not ten.

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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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My words are different to the article Ozzy linked because I was referring to different articles, there's plenty around. Including some that make out there's nothing sinister or creepy about these people!!


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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Here you go. There are a number of news stories in this link but the one you might be interested in, is the one with the headline about asylum seekers "loitering" outside a primary school.

http://www.nationalworld.com/news/uk


So yeah. PTID hyped it a bit to suit his agenda. I would want this stamped out immediately. It doesn't convince me to stop offering assylum to the genuine though.

Any men regardless of race or religion even just hanging about outside a girls school should be arrested.
What the police meant by calling it a ‘cultural’ problem is pathetic and dodging the obvious……which shows to what a low level their leadership has sunk.

the fact is in the past when our own dirty old men have been seen hanging around watching lasses play sport at schools the police have been informed and arrive quickly to ask questions. its so bad that if i pass a school and its playtime or a sports event going on i look the other way like many other white lads also do.

The Police did act and found no crime committed. As was said in the article...the majority of information that they acted upon was 3rd hand and off social media...that says it all. :roll:

possibly because there was no crime anyway making you correct. afraid true or false it could make all our lives worse if there is a change in the law and you live near a school.


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 11:53 am 
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My words are different to the article Ozzy linked because I was referring to different articles, there's plenty around. Including some that make out there's nothing sinister or creepy about these people!!

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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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My words are different to the article Ozzy linked because I was referring to different articles, there's plenty around. Including some that make out there's nothing sinister or creepy about these people!!


The truth should influence opinion, never ever ever the other way round. You, and many people get this wrong and either don't care or don't know you're doing it. That's what you did right here.


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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The truth? What does that mean? Do you have a monopoly on the truth?
But keep deflecting away from the real issue when it doesn't suit your agenda eh?
Even if 1 guy is doing this and it's caused 1 family to take their kids out of school don't you realise the harm caused. It affects the kid taken out of school education wise, but they'll have a lower opinion or fear of ethnic minorities. How's that improving our society?
Groups of men hanging around any school regardless of race should be moved on and warned, if they're filming their phones should be confiscated and checked to see what they're doing with the footage, regardless of race. Is that fair and reasonable or do we let them carry on their creepy behaviour in the name of inclusively? Any chance of a straight answer on the issue?


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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The truth? What does that mean? Do you have a monopoly on the truth?
But keep deflecting away from the real issue when it doesn't suit your agenda eh?
Even if 1 guy is doing this and it's caused 1 family to take their kids out of school don't you realise the harm caused. It affects the kid taken out of school education wise, but they'll have a lower opinion or fear of ethnic minorities. How's that improving our society?
Groups of men hanging around any school regardless of race should be moved on and warned, if they're filming their phones should be confiscated and checked to see what they're doing with the footage, regardless of race. Is that fair and reasonable or do we let them carry on their creepy behaviour in the name of inclusively? Any chance of a straight answer on the issue?


The truth can't be owned. It's not yours or mine or anybody else's. In fact with all the hype and BS these days it is often tricky to know what is true. Trouble is there are people looking for material to support their viewpoint and sustain their outrage so they overlook vagueness and uncertainty and take a leap of faith.

Sorry I didn't continue to read the hype after that. It would be interesting to know what you made of a story that didn't align with your views.


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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No hype, some straight questions which you so predictably deflected again. Usually silence is acceptance, surely not the case here?


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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My words are different to the article Ozzy linked because I was referring to different articles, there's plenty around. Including some that make out there's nothing sinister or creepy about these people!!


The truth should influence opinion, never ever ever the other way round. You, and many people get this wrong and either don't care or don't know you're doing it. That's what you did right here.


Mr Starmer seems to be of the opinion that his opinion should influence truth regarding the Southport incident.


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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Who tells us what the truth is Mr Imp? Our truth and our opinions are formed from information and misinformation which is widely available? You accuse others of agendas yet defend and promote integration and inclusively constantly - is that not having an agenda?


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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Who tells us what the truth is Mr Imp? Our truth and our opinions are formed from information and misinformation which is widely available? You accuse others of agendas yet defend and promote integration and inclusively constantly - is that not having an agenda?


I've said we should give assylum. That's about it. Where have you got the rest from? I didn't like the bigotry againt muslims that was expressed in here but who would like that sort of thing?

Dare I say it, the truth comes from good sense, admitting when the truth is not clear, bring sceptical of everything equally, even if it would verify your opinion, add value to your argument or satisfy a lust for being outraged.


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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since when have we ever known the truth unless you witness something yourself. people tend to believe those who think along there lines and will attempt to disprove those who think the other way on the same subject.


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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The truth is manipulated (only some of it revealed) or completely ignored in the name of political expediency. As we all know Goebbels said "if you tell a lie often enough people wil start to believe it is true." Starmer has seriously taken this on board. As is becoming increasingly obvious, the liberal establishment are also in the business of propaganda as they try to persuade society to think and behave the way they want us to. The real truth is a precious commodity and it is seriously endangered these days.


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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MutleyRules wrote:
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Story today of lots of these illegal immigrants leaving their hotels and frequently hanging around local primary schools. Apparently it's just a cultural thing!
F*cking terrifying thing I'd say, some of these will be from countries where marriage and effectively rape of minors is a part of their culture. Should be warned and dispersed then locked up if they persist. Or is this just enrichment of our culture through integration and diversification?


You cant go around locking these people up. That would be Islamophobic and anyway the prisons are full. A few molested children is a small price to pay for culural enrichment and an endless supply of engineers and architects.

Fucking hell Oddie...that's low even for you...sick fucker!!! rakxe


Do you get a special allowance for being an utter twat? I realize you cant help yourself and I do sympathize but it must be hard for you to hold down a job and lead a normal life.

Thanks for your sympathy Oddie...it's much appreciated. :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:
But you are still a sick fucker!! rakxe


A case of mistaken identity. I am guessing you addressed your post to me as if you thought I was someone who gives an airborn feck about your opinion. In fact I wonder why any sentient being would be interested in the thoughts of Chairman Mutley as they are mix of childish insults and socialist talking points that never get developed. Oh and the occasional reference to bodily functions. This is a football message board but you rarely mention football. In fact I must have a word with the moderators about you because your existence on here normalizes twatishness.


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
The truth is manipulated (only some of it revealed) or completely ignored in the name of political expediency. As we all know Goebbels said "if you tell a lie often enough people wil start to believe it is true." Starmer has seriously taken this on board. As is becoming increasingly obvious, the liberal establishment are also in the business of propaganda as they try to persuade society to think and behave the way they want us to. The real truth is a precious commodity and it is seriously endangered these days.

true. once politicians were accused of never answering a question. since 2020 its got worse as when they do answer many of the answers are lies for as they say the common good. mind you they cannot be accused of lying in parliament as its not the done thing. however in my eyes its all black or white. if you delibratly are not truthfull then you are a liar.


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:29 am 
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My words are different to the article Ozzy linked because I was referring to different articles, there's plenty around. Including some that make out there's nothing sinister or creepy about these people!!

Links to these articles??? sctatchinghead


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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Whilst Farage might not be linked in anyway to his nephew if it was any other MP it would have been on the front pages.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... re-388926/


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:35 am 
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Do you get a special allowance for being an utter twat? I realize you cant help yourself and I do sympathize but it must be hard for you to hold down a job and lead a normal life.[/quote]
Thanks for your sympathy Oddie...it's much appreciated. :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:
But you are still a sick fucker!! rakxe[/quote]

A case of mistaken identity. I am guessing you addressed your post to me as if you thought I was someone who gives an airborn feck about your opinion. In fact I wonder why any sentient being would be interested in the thoughts of Chairman Mutley as they are mix of childish insults and socialist talking points that never get developed. Oh and the occasional reference to bodily functions. This is a football message board but you rarely mention football. In fact I must have a word with the moderators about you because your existence on here normalizes twatishness.[/quote]
Aaaawwwwwww....you upset Oddie?? Going to run to the Teachers. :( :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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Snowy wrote:
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Here you go. There are a number of news stories in this link but the one you might be interested in, is the one with the headline about asylum seekers "loitering" outside a primary school.

http://www.nationalworld.com/news/uk


So yeah. PTID hyped it a bit to suit his agenda. I would want this stamped out immediately. It doesn't convince me to stop offering assylum to the genuine though.

Any men regardless of race or religion even just hanging about outside a girls school should be arrested.
What the police meant by calling it a ‘cultural’ problem is pathetic and dodging the obvious……which shows to what a low level their leadership has sunk.

the fact is in the past when our own dirty old men have been seen hanging around watching lasses play sport at schools the police have been informed and arrive quickly to ask questions. its so bad that if i pass a school and its playtime or a sports event going on i look the other way like many other white lads also do.

The Police did act and found no crime committed. As was said in the article...the majority of information that they acted upon was 3rd hand and off social media...that says it all. :roll:


Sounds similar to the police who investigated the rape gangs and put it down to a "lifestyle choice" of the victims.


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Whilst Farage might not be linked in anyway to his nephew if it was any other MP it would have been on the front pages.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... re-388926/

You have to scuttle in like a Pox doctors clerk and have a random dig at the bloke who terrifies you. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Soooo predictable :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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Snowy wrote:
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Whilst Farage might not be linked in anyway to his nephew if it was any other MP it would have been on the front pages.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... re-388926/

You have to scuttle in like a Pox doctors clerk and have a random dig at the bloke who terrifies you. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Soooo predictable :laugh:


Why would I be terrified of Farage, i don’t see him as threat, I am not trying to discredit him, what I see is you although it’s not early morning unless you have slept in having your usual daily dig at me. I only said if it was any other politicians relation it would been on the front pages.


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Nothing to see here said the police, 3rd party reports said the police, yet the school sent letters to all parents regarding the issue. In these letters they said they were taking the matter seriously, they were reporting it to the police, they were stopping kids using the play field near the area these innocent chaps were loitering. Of course there's nothing to see.


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 Post subject: Re: Reform ahead
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Nothing to see here said the police, 3rd party reports said the police, yet the school sent letters to all parents regarding the issue. In these letters they said they were taking the matter seriously, they were reporting it to the police, they were stopping kids using the play field near the area these innocent chaps were loitering. Of course there's nothing to see.

Where's the links to the articles you read?? sctatchinghead


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Have a Google and you'll find plenty.
As ever ignoring the points that safeguarding and migrants are the serious issues under discussion.


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I'm not going to Google and asking about men hanging around Primary Schools. bbolt :shock:


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Whilst Farage might not be linked in anyway to his nephew if it was any other MP it would have been on the front pages.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... re-388926/

You have to scuttle in like a Pox doctors clerk and have a random dig at the bloke who terrifies you. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Soooo predictable :laugh:


Why would I be terrified of Farage, i don’t see him as threat, I am not trying to discredit him, what I see is you although it’s not early morning unless you have slept in having your usual daily dig at me. I only said if it was any other politicians relation it would been on the front pages.

You can’t control what your relations do… my uncle Adolf’s a prime example. :angry-tappingfoot:

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I'm not going to Google and asking about men hanging around Primary Schools. bbolt :shock:


:laugh: clappp :laugh:


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Have a Google and you'll find plenty.
As ever ignoring the points that safeguarding and migrants are the serious issues under discussion.


Schools rightly take everything seriously, whether it turns out to be very serious or a false alarm or anything in between so that's not an indicator.


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The fact that the police are going to go and council the migrants on acceptable behaviour after being contacted by the school and parents indicates something wasn't right. Now the police are saying no laws are being broken means f*ck all, videoing kids on the street is actually legal, but it's not right by most standards is it?
Btw, if it was groups of football supporters hanging around the route other supporters take or outside the rivals preferred pub they'd be moved along and probably a few would be lifted by the police.


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If it was a gang of white blokes loitering outside a primary school and filming the kids there would more robust action but because it is asylum seekers it gets downplayed. Nothing to see here. Nothing to fear from gangs of young men with no documents inhabiting our country.


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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Whilst Farage might not be linked in anyway to his nephew if it was any other MP it would have been on the front pages.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... re-388926/

You have to scuttle in like a Pox doctors clerk and have a random dig at the bloke who terrifies you. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Soooo predictable :laugh:


Why would I be terrified of Farage, i don’t see him as threat, I am not trying to discredit him, what I see is you although it’s not early morning unless you have slept in having your usual daily dig at me. I only said if it was any other politicians relation it would been on the front pages.

You can’t control what your relations do… my uncle Adolf’s a prime example. :angry-tappingfoot:


You’re missing the point Snowy, I agree you have no control over your relations but if it was any other public figure it would have been all over the media.
Farage does ‘scare’ me a snake oil salesman surrounded by millionaires and billionaires who are seeking to control and see the U.K. electorate as a soft touch. They would have no interest in the U.K electorate but only look to be adding to their millions and billions at the expense of the gullible electorate.


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More agenda fuelled hype and guesswork. This is why it's so hard to find the truth these days. It's bad enough when politicians spinn the living daylights out of news stories to suit themselves let alone Joe bloody public.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Whilst Farage might not be linked in anyway to his nephew if it was any other MP it would have been on the front pages.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... re-388926/

You have to scuttle in like a Pox doctors clerk and have a random dig at the bloke who terrifies you. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Soooo predictable :laugh:


Why would I be terrified of Farage, i don’t see him as threat, I am not trying to discredit him, what I see is you although it’s not early morning unless you have slept in having your usual daily dig at me. I only said if it was any other politicians relation it would been on the front pages.

You can’t control what your relations do… my uncle Adolf’s a prime example. :angry-tappingfoot:


You’re missing the point Snowy, I agree you have no control over your relations but if it was any other public figure it would have been all over the media.
Farage does ‘scare’ me a snake oil salesman surrounded by millionaires and billionaires who are seeking to control and see the U.K. electorate as a soft touch. They would have no interest in the U.K electorate but only look to be adding to their millions and billions at the expense of the gullible electorate.

It’s simple…if I was a murderer…it doesn’t mean any of my sons would be a murderer, guilt by tenuous association, gossip is just malicious repetition making supposition fact.

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Better to be ultra cautious when considering child safeguarding issues than to play them down imo. If it's a single bloke regardless of race at the school I'd be wanting it investigated and stopped. There may not be any laws being broken but it's obviously intimidating to teachers, parents, and kids at the school - otherwise why have the school taken some of the playfield out of use?
My truth is what I believe having considered the the information available to me. Your truth is the same, mindsets and subconscious play a part and obviously differ.


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Better to be ultra cautious when considering child safeguarding issues than to play them down imo. If it's a single bloke regardless of race at the school I'd be wanting it investigated and stopped. There may not be any laws being broken but it's obviously intimidating to teachers, parents, and kids at the school - otherwise why have the school taken some of the playfield out of use?
My truth is what I believe having considered the the information available to me. Your truth is the same, mindsets and subconscious play a part and obviously differ.

its a bad situation why this has to happen. all i,ll say its not due to the dirty old men who have been hanging around schools since the first one was built. if its 100% true then the cops should come down really hard on the scum to allow kids to have a better and safer life.


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Better to be ultra cautious when considering child safeguarding issues than to play them down imo. If it's a single bloke regardless of race at the school I'd be wanting it investigated and stopped. There may not be any laws being broken but it's obviously intimidating to teachers, parents, and kids at the school - otherwise why have the school taken some of the playfield out of use?
My truth is what I believe having considered the the information available to me. Your truth is the same, mindsets and subconscious play a part and obviously differ.

People hanging about Schools will happen every day....and they'll be reported and dealt with.


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Better to be ultra cautious when considering child safeguarding issues than to play them down imo. If it's a single bloke regardless of race at the school I'd be wanting it investigated and stopped. There may not be any laws being broken but it's obviously intimidating to teachers, parents, and kids at the school - otherwise why have the school taken some of the playfield out of use?
My truth is what I believe having considered the the information available to me. Your truth is the same, mindsets and subconscious play a part and obviously differ.

People hanging about Schools will happen every day....and they'll be reported and dealt with.

give the kids a break. where are they going to get their drugs from if their supplier is limited in where they can sell them.


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