An awful result and performance, unable to beat a bottom half side at homme who were down to 10 men

This team is an absolute country fucking mile away from playoff standard

Zero pace
Unable to move the ball quickly
Poorly coached in and out of possession

We have some really really poor footballers.....Dodds isnt one of those but hes really struggling at the minute

New lads its early but not seen anything to suggest our staff will use them properly

The Season is over and there is no reason for Lawrence to hang around.

Last 2 games according to Lennie are the sort that define our season...well there you go !

The lies from within the club about us being better than our league position n results are fastly becoming pathetic n a piss take to our fans.

Bang on schedule to NLN or worse.

Thank fuck the Darts is on itv4 at 6pm.

Im already over that shite.

We have no god given right to beat Woking at home & I genuinely don't think we can be too hard on the players. I thought Dodds was one of our biggest threats today, take him out the 11, and we would have had very little down the right hand side.

I know we all think we should be doing better, but look at the amount of seasons Wrexham, Stockport, Chesterfield, Yeovil etc etc spent in this division or lower. Of recent NL promotion seasons - the likes of Salford, Harrogate, Stockport, Wrexham, Chesterfield ALL had money to burn & managed to get out as a result. Barrow, Bromley, Grimsby & us exceptions to that rule to escape this hole.

We're middle of the road National League as it stands and certainly looks like we will be for a while yet. Given the contracts that are set to come to an end, the subsequent rebuild that will follow in the summer - it doesn't look like we're building towards anything soon. There is also the wider picture of what happens with Raj's investment, the manager & coaching staff and our new board!

I have reached the conclusion that without a sugar daddy investment in to the club or fresh ownership, we've well & truly found our level. The crowds are dwindling, the apathy is building & less cares are being given.

I disagree. We don't need LOADS of money, just a big dollop of competence.

I rate Doddsy very highly but today he was terrible at best.

When you say our new board do you mean yourself Mr. Walter Mitty Shithead. If Raj finds out your user name is thebigdog you will be off the board quicker than a prostitute drops her knickers.

With one automatic promotion spot, and then 6 play-off places, you have to be capable & confident of beating the other 5 in that play off spot (given we will never win the division) in a one off game. Right now, we are miles off them. So - even if we scraped 7th this year, we'd get smashed by somebody either in the 1st or 2nd round before the final - and it would all be in vain UNLESS we retained our best players and continued building for the season after. We didn't even do that after we got promoted out of the National League

Without serious investment in the playing staff & being comfortably one of the top 4 teams in this shitty division - I give us little to no chance. EVEN if there is a serious amount of competence in our decision making as a club, I think it is getting to the point that you need a serious bit of wedge to escape the NL. I might be wrong but haven't Rochdale even got some new money now?

We need cash money - or a gift from the gods in managerial title - aka in the form of possibly one of the best graduates of the National League... Dave Challinor.

Dodds was ok going forward today but his defending was terrible. He just kept standing off then giving the ball away over and over again. Towards the end he was falling over his own legs at left back. I thought Mannie had an absolute stinker today as well. He looked like he was just going through the motions.

To be honest we looked much better before they went down to ten men as we're just too static/idealess to get by a packed defence.

Mani D is out of form and confidence. With 11 or 10 men, we carried so little threat between the posts & in the penalty box.

As i have said many times 352 push the wing backs up and stop playing to deep its so easy for opposing teams to play against us if he plays a flat back 4 on tuesday then its going to be very dodgy unless we can score 4 lol

What is this fetish with wingers god knows.

There are a number of clubs in this division who are competetive without being super wealthy. Can't be that hard if you run a club properly. Yes the playoffs are a bit of a lottery but we can't even work out how to buy a ticket.

Yeah fair point - Halifax and Gateshead good examples of that, Imp. I'm just raising the point that so many former football league clubs get stuck in here for years, go round the houses with controversy trying to get it right, then get bought, sign a load of top quality players & get a good manager and escape. The years that lead to that probably look a lot like ours will do for the next few seasons we probably exist in the NL. It's just shite with lots of shite football & shite games ala two 1-1 draws with Woking & Wealdstone.

Then lo and behold those same clubs crowds sky rocket, they build momentum and the national league years move to a bitter memory. Bit like that initial few months in the FL under DC. Place was rocking, everything seemed great...ah

I think those clubs are the basket cases. Probably the same crap that caused them to drop out of the league is still hampering them. We've allegedly left all that behind.

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[/color][/color]Campbell.

Overated dwarf.
Must of been carried and got the rub of the ball at Crawley.

Please no more injury alibis.

That ship has finally sailed out of our Marina.

I’d agree with most of the above but to summarise;

The sending off ruined the game, Mani did sweet FA throughout the game but would surely have scored when he was hauled down. He is not the player of even a few weeks back.

Didn’t think some of the lads did too bad under the circumstances of the opposition having no other thought than to park the bus which was probably understandable.
However, Ferguson had an absolute howler even by his standards, wtf he was doing for the gift wrapped Woking goal is anyone’s guess. Lua Lua had an abysmal first half but had just started looking interested when he was necked.

Cleary clearly looked the part and was probably the best player on the pitch when he came on. Too early to judge Folarin but he didn’t have the same impact as Cleary. Otherwise it was the familiar story of no pace, no clue, no urgency, no commitment - predictable crab football of the kind that we have witnessed since DC left and players just sauntering around to recover the ball for throw ins and corners. We missed Madine badly, he would surely have got on the end of one or two of Cleary’s crosses. If an opportunity should arise I would offload Mani for any decent offer, he doesn’t seem interested anymore and I do believe that his head had been turned. Madine is excellent when he’s fit but we need an alternative of a strong, younger cf who can hold the ball off, lay it off and provide options other than to simply gifting the oppo keeper the ball with endless crosses.

Might I suggest we start planning for next season…this one’s coming down like a cheap firework.

Sound tactics:

Lennie said post match he is likely to rotate (I read that as write off) the Barnet game as we have 3 away games in a week (we don’t it’s 3 in the next 2 weeks)

I think by the time it’s out next home game even pools won’t be able to kid themselves this game is going anywhere and a sub 3 thousand crowd beckons

That's exactly how I took that losing negative attitude.

If by some miracle Pools got promoted they would need some serious investment with a complete revamp of the current squad or they would be relegated again. Singh doesn’t have the funds to do that therefore all we can hope for is new owners who would inject fresh cash into the club.

Lenny has an attitude so laid back he must spend his time looking at the stars…I imagine the post match ‘chat’ …..basically …”Ah well, never mind…custard creams anybody…?”

I also disagree.
Of course we have a given right to win tin pot home games.
Especially v 10 men.

Competence at Pools.
That left the club when DC left which he self created without a shit load of frogskins.

We basically beyond repair as it stands today.

But people are strange.
Some still vote Labour and hang out of this clueless Owners Gas pipe.

Soon be spring
UTD

Up The Daffodils.

We've got an issue in midfield again imo, too much sideways and backwards passing. When they went down to 10 Fev should have been pushed up behind the CF instead of his preferred sitting in front of the CBs.
Our best moments came from being more direct from Cleary and the opposite side after long balls from Parkes.
Not sure if Mani isn't interested or if he's just sick of nothing being created for him?
To stay in touch now we probably need to win 2vout of our next 3 which is beyond this managers capabilities imo, he's far too conservative in his tactics and team selections, especially at home. We also need an attacking midfielder.

Overated and injury prone.
Our recruitment team must only be allowed that.

Just Maybe Maybe the problem lays above them in an absolutely fcuked up Boardroom that contains.

A greedy bastad.
A yes sir Fan
A 77 year old consultant / Makeshift Coach.

Time for Stello to step up to using his contacts to fully reborn the club.
Basically end this slow painful death.

It's so boring now.

Time for change.

We Gunna get to the stage we're mathematically we have to win our last 8 games.

And will 100% not win game 39.

Fans who have never been in a dugout questioned signing midfielders with a lack of pace in june. Jesus you only had to ask fans on message boards of other clubs to find this out, so why when we needed pace in the team did we go out and sign these players? Club, backroom staff, really are clueless at times. The same old problems that have existed for years still exist, you would think once in a while they would get it right at least.

The season was really over the week Fergy n Fevs were kept on the payroll.
Unbelievably Mickey Barron was saying Fergys back to his best under LL before yesterday's game.

Then ya add in all the Sicknoters.

And its basically a well supported Sunday Morning Team.

And the Future is this Aussie Gadge running this mess next season.
He must of went to the same school of bullshit as Starmer.

Holiday camp regime looks set to continue as Tuesday night will rubbers tamp.

thats more or less my feelings down to the fact that i do not think anybody but a small number of fans expect or want promotion. its just talk from the manager and feel its just all words to keep us going.

agree about cleary and the painful slow build up. passing before taking a defender out was painful to see. no pace whatsoever down the middle but suppose you can say we were down to bare bones. losing grey and mancini for a few months so what did we sign. two players completely different. think campbell was rushed back possibly a week to early and fevs increasingly looking like someone with an eye to the future, playing walking football. fans moan about we should be beating the likes of 10 man woking but they had a couple of lads in their side i,d take tomorrow. dobson and beautyman and far better tactically in the modern game of shithousery.

All fans should want Promotion.

But unfortunately our Chairman has clicked on to this non ambition superfan culture.

Which means we stay on the none magic roundabout of more Failurism.

all fans want it but quickly find out it is not going to happen. the difference is those running the club do not want of expect it to happen but expect us to turn up week in week out after being conned by them. might be on my own but i,d except more honesty and be less annoyed from them if they said it as it is and not what they want us to believe like it now is.

Drawing 1-1 v 10 man Woking is the new norm and will be as long as Raj is here.

I reckon you could change chairman tomorrow but nothing will change on the pitch, we're programmed to play crab football which is so easy to defend against. We'll win a few draw a lot and lose a few under Lennie and finish about 10th imo.

Watching the YouTube videos on the coaching sessions gives you heart but unfortunately they don’t appear to be transferred to the pitch during a game.

Kev what is a " rubbers tamp " mate.

Agree,that was the formation we used under Challinor

exactly. what had raj to do with yesterdays insipid performance and tactics not many could work out. would our style of play change with a suger daddie coming in by seeing the same old thing but with better players doing it but with similar results.

Think that was all on Sarll, he appeared to only want to sign midfielders who would graft but had very little technical ability. They all work hard but they aren't 'box to box' they're win the ball and play a simple ball to another player. Would've been good to see us sign someone with legs and a but of technical ability instead of Sloggett or even have kept Tom Crawford who, despite his critics, offered more on the ball than all 3 of the midfielders Sarll signed.

Seriously miss some guile and creativity in the middle of the park but we have for the last few seasons. Last midfield we had that complemented each other was Featherstone, holohan and shelton. They all had different attributes and complemented each other nicely. No balance in this midfield at all. Campbell and mancini are supposed to be that creative spark but are either not fit or playing well.

there was nothing wrong with crawford apart from him not putting away many of the chances he got and went missing when the rest of the team was doing poorly. at least he had the energy to get in those popsitions to miss and without knowing all the stats he,ll have scored more goals for altrincham than the combined number of our so called midfielders have done for us.

Don’t forget Shelton’s 8x goals for Barnet this season - which he is likely to add to on Tuesday night. In addition to the poor signings made during Sarll’s hapless reign, let us not forget the clubs procrastination in disposing of the twat who should have been necked two or three games before he actually was. As many of us foresaw, we could now have up to 9 more priceless points on the board which at this stage would have made a big difference.

Shudda
Wudda
Cudda.


Colective Failure from the
Boardroom and pretendy managers n players.
If anyone thinking finishing 8th or below is on Sarly Only then they need an appointment at the opticians and doctors.

Most definitely

Well "Our Kev " you know I have said repeatedly this season that we will make the playoffs. But for the 1st time this season even I cannot dress up this shite anymore. I will be surprised if we get a playoff finish after the last few games of dross and even if we do we have no hope of winning them. Burnsey is not the man for the role he talks complete bollocks. He is so fooking negative telling us we cannot complete with Liverpool sorry Barnet / F.Green and the mighty Gateshead. He then says judge us on the other games...OK Burnsey Wealdstone & Woking 2 points that should be 6 points now what I will tell you what let's play a weakened team against top team Barnet and get totally slaughtered. Imagine being a Pools player and listening to your manager telling everyone we can't be judged on games against certain teams because they are better than us with bigger budgets ( whats the excuse for Gateshead Burnsey ).. Strange how he never mentions clubs with smaller budgets. The bloke is a totally negative bafoon who will do sweet fookall to improve this team. It's looking a dead cert we will finish 8 / 9 / 10 and miss out by 3 /4 points ...the points that we could have and should have taken from these past 2 games not counting the rest he let go by with clueless negative shite. I foooking hate Pools at times like this no ambition no direction and no interest.

Unfortunately you have now seen the light.
And we get pissed off because we care and know we are megarly underachieving.

Our physio must be sick as fuck.
The Training Module needs changing if the players are picking up so many injuries.

Anutha fine margin mess to add with the others to why we won't finish in the top 7.

I thought for a moment you were about to say " that's another fine mess you got me into Burnsey " but let's be honest Raj & Burnsey are just like Laurel & Hardy a comedy act.

I will be amazed if we finish 8th 9th or 10th. 3 away games coming up, be shocked if we win 1 game. In fact if we did finish 8th 9th or 10th id say lennie has done bloody well, considering the mess we were in. Lets be honest the club has no intention of the play offs its mentioned to keep the fans interested. What was it yesterday 3600 to see a dead rubber match really, fantastic support again. Until things change at the top fans are just going to get bored of being let down. Something somewhere eventually will have to give. Hopefully that means raj genuinely wanting to sell this time.

Can't see why they'd even keep the club going if there was no intention of trying for promotion, we surely must be operating at a loss this season particularly going out of all cup comps so early?
Listening to Lennie pre match yesterday he was talking about how good our home form is? Really, we've scored 14 goals in 14 games and lack of goals and therefore dropped points to at the Vic will end our season early. Away from home we haven't done so badly. It's a shame a manager with so much experience can't see what's lacking and can't gee this lot up sufficiently.

games like saturdays were bad but even worse for the future. teams know now after watching that how easy it is to pick up points at the vic by following what woking did.

If there is a loss who going to pick the tab up, Clarence 18 the company Singh uses to run the club, he can liquidate that company effectively putting Pools out of business but still protect the Prestige Gruop as they have no financial ties to Pools.
Lawrence can sugar coat all he wants praising the players etc but he as I have before make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.