If only the British Joe Public would finally wake up to the fact that consecutive UK governments continually cow-tow to the US. Even in current desperate times of (alleged) cash-strapped Britain, we continue to fund no-hope foreign states in affairs that have fcuk all to do with us, whilst continuing to demoniise the likes of China, Russia, Saudi etc for not applying Western standards that many UK citizens simply do not agree with or adhere to. This would be bad enough if we had the military might to back up the decisions to side with losers but that is patently not the case in the 21st century. I’m no fan of Trump but should one of the major UK parties adopt his ‘America First’ policy for this country they would surely attract a substantial backing.

Here's the man himself... ..Roll on January!!

https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage ... t-13275478

Looking good.
We've already won the 29 election

I love this ‘wake up’ business! I get it a bit on here, which makes me think I might have narcolepsy.
It kind of fits with snowflakes, sovereign, get over it, I’m not racist but, I can’t be racist I know a black person, double standards, woke nonsense, PC nonsense and bet he’s got pronouns in his bio, all often spotted on twitter and Facebook. Lovely stuff!

Good ole Nige.
The guy who championed Brexit stating If WE don,t leave The European Union the steel industry in this country will be dead.
Well Guess what!

Whatever.

Do you think I actually care about how many posts I’ve made…seriously?
I didn’t even know till Mr I told me.
I’ll go on a hiatus so can get past me and sit in the lay-by of the bunker till your band wagon scuttles past.
And I’m an Admiral in the Chines Navy .

There is no 'fuck all to do with us' in the world. It's all connected. All of it.

China and Russia are demonised because they treat loads of people like shit. Properly bad.

We tried military intervention but it doesn't work. Soft power works better but it costs. This has been known for decades but since like Russia are still learning those lessons and paying mightily for it.

This America first thing doesn't work. It's never worked for anyone.

Soft power didnt seem to do the trick with Putin. Lots of leaders asking him to refrain from attacking Ukraine but he still attacked Ukraine. When Trump stops the war in January, Putin will have gained a lot of Ukrainian land which admittedly cost him a lot in terms of men and materials but ultimately his aggression will have been rewarded. The advance of Isis was stopped by force of arms alone with soft power never being an option. Soft power doesnt seem to have worked for Israel either. Soft power only works if those involved have something to gain by standing down their armies. If you have a powerful force intent on war, soft power is irrelevant.

Of course you were taking the piss...of course you were.

Where did I say you care about how many posts you've made??

Obfuscation…look it up.
Explains the multiple frantic posts now.

No...where did I say you cared about how many posts you've made?
Don't try and deflect this...just answer the question...for once.

Soft power does work, world leaders know it well, many in the wrong end of it. Russia is all kinds of messed up because of it. But yes hard power is needed too. What neither of these things is (and what conclusion you correctly made) was that doing cock all doesn't work and influence is needed. Working unilaterally isn't advisable either. Therefore I don't think Trump will do either despite his words because his words and actions don't always match as we've seen. His words win votes from a certain section of society but he pleasantly surprises when it comes down to actions.

Behave , the crack that I only had the top number of posts was because you weren’t here (your ‘hiatus) is rather obvious.
I’m there because I’ve been here since day one, simple as that, not by any desire to be some pointless top dog of posting.

The ultimate quote on soft power was when the Pope’s power was mentioned at the Teheran peace conference at the end of the war when he asked Churchill how many tank Divisions has the Pope….?

talking about the pope i just wonder how WW2 would have panned out if adolph had insisted that germany would become a RC country, managed to do this and would the pope had backed him with the help of other catholic countries to achieve his dream in what would have been a holy war.

I guess we'll never know.

It is actually very easy for Trump to stop the war without too much hassle. He just stops giving financial and military aid to Ukraine and has a word with his mate Putin who will be happy to stop if keeps the land he has taken. Ukraine cannot continue without US help. Only possible issue is if Putin takes advantage of Ukraine's weakened military state and invades the whole country. Trump may be in a bit of a dilemma in that case.

Hitler was baptised a Catholic ….and his mother, who he worshipped, was a strong Catholic.
If his mother hadn’t have died early it might have been a different world.

Irrespective of whose in charge of the Labour Party Starmer or who ever we have them for 5 years not unless there is rebellion and people take to streets, only 60% bothered to vote so I doubt that will happen.

So you think I care that you've got the most posts on the bunker....seriously??

Does it actually have any effect on you who's in power. Or is it just a case of looking in the window from the pavement.

You made the comment, you tell me, seemed a pointless point to make.

In this thread Greyhounded mentioned it, derwent quoted him and then I mentioned it because I thought Greyhounded's post was funny.
I can't see what your problem is with that...I honestly can't.

Fucking hell it's like 2 kids in the playground the day after Pancake Day...
Kid 1....I had 8 pancakes for my tea
Kid 2....I had 36 so there

So we just have to accept it then…..if any other Party had pulled half of these stunts there’d be some on here who’d have to be restrained in straight jackets while frothing and foaming at the mouth in a fit of pique……absolute poppycock.

Poppycock?? Blimey!!

Oops….. I meant ‘cock’ ………must have caught ‘Mikey Syndrome’ and reverted to talking 1950’s style what , what.

That would be like curing cancer by just letting everyone die. Stopping the war and solving the problem are two different things. I'm sure he knows that despite the bluster. I think he knows better.

Well, only time will tell. Seems a pointless excercise predicting the thought processes of te likes of Trump and Putin.

Before the election, Starmer and senior members of the Labour Party gave assurances that the 1950's born females would receive compensation for the retirement age change. Now they say that the country cannot afford it so no compensation!
It is clear one cannot believe anything Starmer says as he can always blame the Tories and the lack of funds. What next, the triple lock on pensions?

Starmer: dishonest as they come and vicious with it. Orrible piece of work. Makes Boris seem positively angelic by comparison.

Fair comment that.

What do you suggest Snowy, you have a short memory, the Lib Dem’s said they would abolish student fees, as soon as they got in the coalition government they changed their mind, you are always criticising but never ever come up with a suggestion how to fix it, are you going to organise a protest march, start a get Starmer out petition ? Nope you will do nought but just carry on whining like the majority.

I can recall no government coming into power and creating so many self inflicted disasters as Stiffy Starmer.
But as a very thinly disguised Labour supporter your disjointed thought process comes out with yet more pathetic platitudes.
Whine……?…. .most posts on here from you sound like Heathrow airport when the jets start taxiing when it comes to whining

It's incredibly monotonous that almost every criticism of the Starmer government receives an immediate rebuff referring to past historical government's. Nick Clegg was deputy PM 14 years ago, ancient history in political terms, but another blatant example of saying anything to get into power. Clegg did it over Uni fees, Starmer has done it on multiple issues in 5 months. Worryingly he has defied the Ombudsman which could destroy a layer of protection for all of us across many areas of life.

Maybe we could strap his dwindling number of supporters to the front of the tractors on the way down to parliament,jamie?

if the country is really in the financial mess starmer says it is and the 22 billion black hole actually did exist then it is a reason he has gone back on promises he made. the problem is nobody trusts or believes politicians anymore. tell one lie and you are finished as a person never mind a politician as you are never believed ever again. even in our own cercumstances we have promised something in july for next christmas but problems that came up later made us to go back on that even if at the time it was promised in good faith.

Well the WFA must have been within the budget of the last government. If we've really got a black hole of that size, which has been stated by the Office for Budget Responsibility to not be the case btw, then why are we offering so much overseas aid and making environmental financial commitments to make the black hole even bigger? Why did the train drivers and Dr's get huge pay rises? Why cripple growth and destroy businesses with the latest budget?
Should've known a lawyer turned politician could not even begin to understand what Trust, honour, and principles are.
Even his own back benches are taking a stand on this one and I suspect any vote would see a rebellion in parliament and an embarrassing loss for him.
Meanwhile the Waspis will go to court, the Unions and a couple in Scotland have already started proceedings about the WFA. Why shoot yourself in both feet so quickly after being elected? Neither issue is going away anytime soon.

Well the well known terrace chant answers your question

"You dont know what you're doing" echoes through the corridors of Parliament. Wouldn't be so bad if if Yvette Cooper and co knew what the feck they were doing either. Sadly we are in the siht.

there will be no rebellion in parliament to unseat him. like with the tories there will just be a few dissenters. the types who know full well they will never be anything but a back bencher so with little to lose but their seat.

A lot of those new Labour MP’s are still wet behind the ears brand new and will do as they’re told……wonder why so many of the new intake were from a youth club….because they’ll do as they’re told.

I got my £10 xmas bonus today.
Dont tell the PM or it will be stopped.

Asked yesterday what he would do differently if he had the last 6 months over again and the arrogant tw4t said "nothing". What a tosspot.

His dad was a toolmaker…he knocked out a classic in his case…(his Dad owned the company by the way.)

What Company was it?

The company quoted is the Oxted Tool Company…however Labour Supporters claim there are no records of the Company yet plenty recall he ran his own business.
Obviously it was no large company but ran a small business going by the nature of the work and self employed.
Starmer’s trouble is he likes to paint himself as a horny handed son of the soil used to get his hands dirty to prove his ‘working class’ credentials he doesn’t possess….same as his ‘grammar’ school….which was the road to a better career for the working class……which just happened to be fed paying.
He needs to be himself, which he is being now…and producing unfriendly policies for the working class.

however the working class could easily get a place for their kids in one of those schools if they were bright enough to pass the entrance exam. most take quite a few yearly and i just missed out at bradford grammar due to guess what, english grammar.