If you have 'experience' then you shouldn't have said what you did. What next...up in arms because they have their own programme...The Un-dateables??

You have your own messed up, twisted agenda so you deliberately misrepresent other people's posts. Originally I thought it was because you were just a bit thick but it is now pretty clear your behaviour is malicious. Your behaviour is proof for all to see that you are indeed an absolute (insert swear word of choice).

Just to remind you what you posted Oddie...clear hate against Disabled people on TV.
Not a good look at all Oddie. [TutTutTutTutTut]

And I've not misrepresented what you posted....it's there on the screen in front of you Oddie.
An abhorrent post.

Just a reminder of reality. Just because you interpret someone's words in a way that suits your bias does not mean that interpretation is factually correct.
Who do you think you are? What makes what you think to be of higher value than what anyone else might think? Your opinion will always be just your opinion. The problem here is that you are not acting in good faith. You are pulling out all the stops to score a point and using the issue of disability to to do it. Your behaviour is absolutely despicable.

Misrepresentation is exactly what you have done. As I have stated on two occasions above, my post was a crticism of the BBC not a criticism of disabled people. Tell you what, if you believe my post is 'abhorrent' why not appeal to the moderators to have it removed? After all, they will be strongly invested in preventing the site being accused of condoning 'hate speech' so they would be only too keen to remove it. Go on. You can make a big deal of sending the message as well, just to draw maximum attention to yourself.

No sign of "Mutters"? I am so looking forward to reading his thoughtful and well-considered reply.

You really think all those 'words' will gloss over what you said about disabled people appearing on TV?
You're even worse than I thought. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour Oddie...utterly shameful.

Just a reminder of what you said Oddie...shocking.

Appeal to derwent....OMG....

its sod all to do with that. its this approach you have where you ignore the comparison of todays contestants to the ones only a few years back with the equal number of disabled actually around. did anyone once spend there time on debating that there should be extra disabled shown on the box. nobody including the vast numbers of disabled could not care less. i really doubt peter kay would be allowed to have his role in pheonix nights if it was aired now, but more like an non disabled person would see something wrong in it and be the first to complain. would you or anyone disabled want an actor without legs to play the part of douglas bader in a re make of reach for the sky and a fully able actor playing the first part of his life before his accident. its just getting stupid now by this being an agenda when there is more important things for both able and disabled people to worry about.

"All these words"????? How do you suggest anyone might communicate on an internet website? Morse code perhaps? The words I choose were selected to make my meaniong nice and clear but if the reader of those words (ie you) is determined to twist them to suit their bias there is no other mode of communication available that will alter this bias. As I said before, you are obviously motivated by malice and have no interest in any kind of good faith conversation. No surprise there. You should give your head a shake.

The BBC seems to be the common denominator. The two sentences are all about how the BBC use the disabled to pushe theiir EDI agenda as anyone else would conclude. Your vile and malicious mindset leads you to conclude something else. I would say I feel sorry for you but actually I feel nothing but contempt.

Regardless of personal opinions, Derwent in his role of one the moderators of this sight will be aware of the issues around hate speech and the legislation linked to it. Although your opinion (lol) of him is negative, it is in his best interest to run the site in a way that does not lead it into legal difficulties. I say again, if my post is so "abhorrent" it would be taken down particularly if someone complained about it. Go ahead, get a few a few of your mates to join in. What are you waiting for? You never know, you might even get me banned. What a victory for decency and common sense that would be. Go on crack on with it....

Well said. It is not as though the disabled are portrayed in a negative way. The Phoenix Nights character is funny because he is funny not because he is in a wheelchair. The disabled people on Strictly are treated with the utmost respect. The problem is, Mutley is not behaving in good faith, he is trying to score a point in the most low and disgusting manner imaginable.

mind you he is not the first to disagree with the majority of posters on a majority of issues that we discuss. when this happens i always wonder if he and the others in the past actually agree with everything they write or a case of just wanting to be different so there posts get more discussion. possibly without him it could get a bit boring if we all said the same just to be part of the crowd.

Differences of opinion are what we all enjoy but the trouble with the current issue is Mutley's behaviour is motivated by spite, is not just that he has a difference of opinion. He is trying to score a point by using the issue of disability as a weapon. Absolutely disgraceful and mean spirited behaviour.

We actually don't really get instances of two members who are in disagreement with each other appealing to us for a ruling or judgement. We do scrutinise every post to decide if there is anything there which could jeopardise or harm the bunker and react accordingly but that is very rare. A word in the ear usually solves any problems. People are generally reasonable.
Muttley is being mischevious to say the least by reacting as he has done as there is no evidence of a dispute between him and another member ever being presented to me for judgement. Grown men can sort it out themselves or agree to disagree.
I have watched the discussions between him and Mr Ozzie and so far have not been asked to intervene by either of them.
I would point out to all who are interested that by asking me to intervene they the disputees then commit themselves to my judgement. No point otherwise is there.
Play nice.

I make no appeal but I am content to accept any judgement if any appeal is made by a third party. I only mentioned the issue of appealing because of Mutley's implication that my post regarding the disabled people in Strictly was in some way so beyond the levels of reasonable discourse it should not be allowed: potentially "hate speech". I invited Mutley to approach the moderators in order for a neutral body to arbitrate on the matter. If my words are not deemed to be hate speech then they can be deemed to be fair comment and Mutley can thus stop complaining. If they are deemed to be "hate speech" I will happily accept any consequences.

But surely if nearly a quarter of the UK population is classed as disabled then they are underrepresented on TV.

Oddie...don't you do that...you're head will more than likely fall off.

You just don't get it do you...you even mention Stephen Hawking. Vile.

Why would I want you banned you Rarf....I'd have no entertainment.

Oddie...read your post again....yeah the one you wrote in the most 'disgusting manner imaginable'.

Kin'ell....it's like Crown Court circa 1978.

Oh dear, its these pesky words again. So impossible to understand aren't they? I will try to make these very difficult words easier to understand by using shouty CAPITAL letters once again. In my post above I suggestedthat YOU (Mutley. Mutters etc) SHOULD GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE. I did not say I (Ozzy Saltburn) SHOULD GIVE MY HEAD A SHAKE. Hope this helps. The Dyke House Special Needs Department have an exemplary reputation but I suppose they couldn't do the impossible.

Of course but it seems my post about Strictly has caused you so much anxiety and heartache that if you had the courage of your convictions you would demand the offending post be deleted. After all you have decided it is "vile" etc, Why wouldn't you want it removed? Surely such an offensive post cannot be permitted? Come on, step up to the plate. Oh, by the way, if you cannot understand what I have written, perhaps get someone else to read it for you.

Well I have to give way to your experience in these matters. I have never been involved with The Crown Court or any other court for that matter.

And that figure on a jar of jam.
Bring it back.

And there it is...Oddie having a go at the disabled yet again. You just can't help yourself can you?? Absolutely vile.

Why would I want it to be deleted?? I want everyone to see how much of a vile human being you are...you sad little man.

I'm talking about the afternoon TV programme you Doyle.

How about giving it a rest and moving on.

Sorry sir.

It’s getting tedious, like some WW1 generals hurling salvo after salvo and advancing 6 inches and celebrating the victory.
This topic should be retitled the The General Melchett Memorial Debate now call a truce and play football in no man’s land and have a game of footy.
Xmas is approaching after all.

Fuck that!!!

Do it for Lennie, he was in the original team ……yer twat.

i,d guess a big majority of those have unseen disability like mental health issues speech impediments ir severe deafness and blindness. there are jobs of work many of these people are able to do but certainly not in front of cameras apart from the rare odd individual who have always been catered for.

I appreciate it is probably not the most entertaining thread but the ever popular Mutley has accused me of being some kind disability hater. He has played the card of moral superiority in the most disgusting and low life way possible. He lacks the wit to take me on in any other way so has descended to the lowest of the low blows. I will not allow this spiteful and mean spirited attack to go unchallenged. I suspect the majority of people would react the same way. I appreciate that as one of the founding fathers of this site he has a cohort of fans and to some degree, he does as he likes on here but if I am the target I will defend myself.

Oh I see. Being not very good at reading is a "disabilty" as far as Mutley is concerned. Poor old Mutley is a victim of disability discrimination because he cant understand the posts that appear on this site. Bless.

Well I guess you know all about afternoon telly but I have always worked for a living so never watched it.

I was 6 in 1978.

Watching day time telly we you should have been at school. Explains a great deal.

Nice one

might have actually learned more by missing school and watching day time tele.