This is as big a kick at the Tory’s as Labour for both virtue signalling with their Net Zero obsession……this is gonna end in disaster to please a vociferous minority.

Absolute madness and unworkable for manufacturer's. We're going to phase out combustion engine new car sales by 2030 yet the USA have targets of 60% EVs by 2035.
So global car makers are going to set up to suit the larger car consumer markets not the green crusaders such as the UK.
We need to stop trying to be world leaders in something which will have minimal global impact on the environment but huge negative impact on our standards of living.

its always been the case of you manufacture items the public want to buy. those arrogantly who expect people to buy things they do not want go quickly out of business. the only way EV will ever work is if they become much cheaper to buy anf those without them get priced out by fuel costs and ULEZ type zones. there are too many of us for governments to do this unless they want to lose the power they have. the big thing is they are not getting the climate change view over to many so now its all about air quality. yes thats got really bad when you compare it to years back with chemical companies and mills belching out their filth on us.

The previous Government moved the goalposts from 2030 to 2035 and this present Government have moved them back to 2030 again. Now they are saying the are going to review that decision. Just another example in the ever lengthening line of bad, ill thought out decisions they have made.
This time though, rather than dig their heels in and come out with their usual "we didn't want to do it but had no alternative" they have at least said they'll have another look.
Is it worth hoping that they'll have another look at their other gaffs and review those as well. Don't hold your breath, boys and girls.

At the end of the day even if we switched to EV cars and heat pumps we don’t have enough power generation to suffice, the EV cars will be queuing up at charging points.

Our politicians, Tory or Labour, will be sat preening themselves over reaching net zero as the World passes us by and find their virtue signalling and example setting was of no interest or example to the rest of the planet.
We’re being lead up a cul de sac .

This.

When you have an idiot like Milliband in charge of the green stuff you just know its going to be one big fuck up that we the taxpayers will end up paying for.

The bloke will lead us up a dead end in the name of idiot utopian wet dreams of saving the planet.

And the planet will not change a bit as the real polluters do nothing. Noble but ultimately an act of self destruction.

Starmer must think he’s Gladstone and Reeves is Queen Victoria and the world takes notice of us because the Empire still exists and everyone follows our lead.
Fantasists…no one gives a toss what we do.

And Milliband is like Canute trying to control nature.

I doubt he could control a bowel movement from his record.

but we need to lead the world on something and thats about the only thing left for the country now to be a world leader in. bullshit and a population getting poorer due to it. wonder what they,d do if it was only the greenies who had to have their pockets pinched on this issue.

he,s just a right canute and nothing else.

I don’t associate the people in the Cabinet as working class and certainly not Labour by any stretch of the imagination…..it’s supposedly the Labour Party but not in my eyes.

It's hard to associate any of them with reality let alone the workers of this country.

That's absolutely the crux of the matter an Empire that doesn't exist is despised by the Labour ideology, quite ironic really.

As to been led up a cul de sac, it's more flushed down a drain Snowy.

What do the plebs know? We're your elected Government, and we tell you how it is... and that's for all colours of government.

Now that's democracy in action

Seems like Brexit had a lot to do with this...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66126185

Don’t mention Brexit on here as the majority of the board are Brexiteers and still don’t realise leaving the largest trading organisation on the globe was a mistake, they thought it was to stop immigration.

We already are if you don't have a driveway.

My brother-in-law is in hospital awaiting a heart bypass and my sister was almost in tears when she went to try and charge their EV (that they've had some time so not newcomers to the trend) but found the only charger she could get on was only giving 3 kw instead of 22 kw charge. This was the ONLY charger she could find not occupied in the town they live.

When they bought the car 4 years ago they could have their choice of charger.

Does no one feel internal combustion engines are a bit old fashioned(1823) using tons of metal burning stuff like petrol etc.
I am all in favour of reintroducing steam to the railways but the upcoming advances with electric could be a game changer i.e. solid state electric batteries.

We still need an infrastructure to support the change away from ICE and there just seems zero interest in coming up with a solution beyond driveway chargers or exorbitantly priced superfast chargers

Love the reference to ‘still don’t realise’ as if you’re referring to people who voted to leave as utter cretins unlike you the great enlightened one.
You’re still whining about Brexit…why didn’t you make your second home in Europe …or was it cheaper in Siam compared to Europe.Oh dear.

There is obsession, super obsession, extraordinary obsession. inter planetary obsession and then remoaners.

To be clear, leaving the Single Market is hurting us, leaving the EU which the referendum was about isn't hurting us.
The pseudo Super State is on its knees and would have dragged us further down as it fails.
Oh and guess what there's loads of member states concerned about movement of people across there borders. Was it Germany who recently reintroduced border checks against EU law?
Common Market was a good thing the EU wasn't. And there's Jamie thinking that we all thought that it was all about the immigrants, well guess what Jamie you're wrong. Borders, control, laws, costs of being a member, pottential for an EU army of which we'd have to provide but have no control of, the whole package wasn't in our interests.

I’d advise you to reproduce that bit of sensible analysis in pictogram form to catch Jamie’s attention.

I felt for the workers. They live and work in Luton and were offered the option of moving to the only place thats worse. Ellesmere Port.

Luton…went on a course there for a Swiss company Brown Boveri back in the 70’s…wasn’t too hot then, that month dragged.

I resided in Tenerife for a while but after Brexit I couldn’t make my home in Europe due to the new visa rules now in force. I don’t live in Siam because it’s cheaper, not everything is cheaper including electricity, rental properties and certain other food produce, it’s cheap if you want to eat rice and noodles as your staple diet. There are other reasons why I do, have a trip over Snowy before making comments about Siam, you might like it.

Anyone who voted Brexit should understand why the boat crossings started and why.
The primary factor behind small boat crossings is the UK’s lacking a returns agreement with the EU. Before Brexit, the UK was part of a system (the Dublin III Regulation). Anyone travelling to the UK irregularly (e.g., without a visa or right to remain), could and often were returned to the first safe EU country they had arrived in originally. Clandestine journeys were relatively small and stable with annual removals usually counted in their hundreds.
But after Brexit, the UK exited this returns agreement. This meant that it became much harder to return irregular migrants because there was no deal on returning them. Removals have dwindled to their dozens since as we are all aware of.

best thing about luton was when i worked on national express with that town being the destination. i arrived late and left early with only 10 hours there which consisted of sleeping, washing and having breakfast.

totally agree and guess many others will. before the changes from just a trading organisation to a creation of a super state with free movement there were very few actually who wanted to leave it and they were flag waving little englanders.

The EU made a few changes for the better, stopped roaming charges when using mobile phones in the EU, now if you take a new contract out you will pay roaming charges, stopped charges if you paid by credit card, holiday pay for part time workers, a mountain of paperwork now for exports and imports forcing some businesses to call it a day. Ask the fishermen on the south coast who have to call a vet in prior to shipping their produce to Europe.
The majority were convinced it was about stopping immigration from Europe by none other than Farage who now spends his time committing to the States instead of standing on the cliffs at Dover with his binoculars In fact Brexit has had the opposite effect, nearly a million people were granted visas last year and it has increased year on year since Brexit. These are not Europeans but from all over the globe.
Makes me laugh when 30p Lee Anderson says we want our country back, too late it’s already gone. British jobs for Britain workers, yes jobs the British didn’t want to do but the EU workers were quite willing to do. We now have a shortage of hospitality workers and care home workers which workers from the EU were more than willing to do.

lee anderson is totally correct but is let down by many britains and out of those some will support him. not going to knock these fully as its the whole system of outlook and education that has caused this and not every individual themselves.

Desperately trying to find positives from being an EU member there Jamie and if that's the sum total for our money we're well out of it.
The export paperwork and fishermen issues are a more a consequence of leaving the Single Market.
EU workers can still come here to work, they just need a visa so what's the problem?

You give yourself away Jamie every time quoting the Party’s standard skit phrases.

So according to you …..The Oracle, to sum it up, we should have stayed in the EU because of…roaming charges.
That’s it is it, a couple of phone calls on holiday……you don’t help yourself
If Europe’s so appealing why are you in Siam…by the way, what are their, roaming charges like…?

Presumably he's a huge fan of Yul Rimmer.

Etcetera etcetera...

How many UK industries were forced to go bust because EU Law wouldn't allow state support btw?

He probably thinks it’s in Eastern Europe…he does a Yul Brynner tribute act at the ‘Talk of the Settlement’ Night Spot…….’ The Kink and I’…goes down a bomb.

TBH you are clueless Snowy about Thailand, you have no idea what life is like in Thailand so people you are in no position to make sleazy comments or to take the pi’s etc. about the country. I have in past mentioned my reasons for living here part time therefore I am not going to repeat them.
It just shows how much you are to speed with the EU, roaming charges were the very expensive charges mobile phone companies used to charge you when you were using your mobile phone in Europe. The EU outlawed this but since leaving the EU they are gradually introducing them again.
The right wing Brexit supporting media have convinced the little Englanders that Brexit was a good idea one which is costing the U.K. economy in excess of £100 billion a year. Snowy no idea where you get your info from, Daily Mail, The Express, Telegraph GB News etc listening to Farage ?
Watch this vlog,
https://youtu.be/TVK1iHCfgGY?si=jVyu5a100AMngye8

Explain the benefits of leaving the EU ?

We are often asked this by leave supporters, so here are a few facts, can some of the Brexiteers list the benefit ?
Over 40 years of peace
Erasmus and overseas study
A home market of over 500 million consumers Cheaper flights and compensation for delays
Help with tax avoidance
Maternity and paternity leave
Stronger voice in the world
Consumer protection
Investment in arts and culture
Cleaner air
Paid holiday leave
Maximum working hours
Cheaper mobile calls and international roaming
Visa-free travel across Europe
The right to work in the EU
Funding for UK regions
Opportunities for young people - our future leaders Funding for start-ups 44% of UK exports
Safer food standards
3 million jobs
Lower prices in shops
The world's strongest animal welfare rights
Rights for part-time workers
Single market with no export charges of red tape
Product safety standards
Standards in the workplace
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
Free healthcare across Europe Cleaner beaches and waterways
Co-operation on counter-terrorism intelligence
Rights in equal rights pay for men and women
Protection against discrimination based on gender, race, religion, age, disability and sexual orientation
Strongest wildlife protection in the world Investment and collaboration in science
European arrest warrant
Improved standards for farm animals
I'm sure this list is not exhaustive.

How does the rest of the great big world outside the EU survive if it’s so fantastic……do the maths.
….same old, same old.
Still living in the past, like some spinster still hoping Mr Right will come back for her…….You are the Miss Haversham of the board when it comes to the ‘ The Old Boys Club in Brussels’.
No hope for you.

You’re wrong because the EU we’re starting to share illegals out through member states, to share the burden, figures quoted would have had us taking even more than we get crossing the Channel.
Look at Ireland going back to the Brexit result, I was over in Ireland at a place on a the west coast south of Galway and the fun was just starting as an hotel owned by a local politician was being sequestered to house migrants…being flown in from Europe… Ireland is a nightmare, yet the politicians are all obedient European nodding dongs in the mainstream Party’s and blatantly keener to please their masters in Europe than their own people.
You might get excited about it, but normal people don’t

Regarding popping over to other countries to live….
Why would I want to live in another culture, in a sub tropical climate, half way across the world , learn a new language and social skills if I was serious about living there…or rock up like new Governor of a province or patronising missionary to save a few bob……?
My, idea of hell.
I like living where I live….apart from Northern Europe, the rest has no appeal to me whatsoever.

Benefits to leaving EU (not Single Market) include:
Ability to make our own laws - eg new Workers Rights introduced recently by Angela Rayner.
Border control - interestingly Germany have introduced border control checks in breach of EU law so obviously see a need for halting free movement.
Control of our waters and fishing rights - EU decimated our fishing industry which is scandalous for any island nation. Also responsible for the near extinction of native fish species.
Control of our taxes - eg VAT on tampons was EU legislation.
Control of our own armed forces, not having to contribute to an EU controlled army.
Remember the speed and control of the Covid Vaccine roll out? That couldn't have happened within the EU we would have had to come with their rules and share tech and stocks. (Accepted the vaccine may or may not have been the succes it was claimed, but the process outside the EU worked in the UKs favour).

And, if the EU is such a good thing, why are only just over 50% of. European countries members? In fact some applied to join but having considered the impact it would have on their sovereignty withdrew their applications.
Why are wealthy countries like Switzerland and Norway not rushing to join? Answer, they don't see any net benefit from doing so.

Did you move to Siam because you enjoyed Siam waterpark in Tenerife? It was fun like.
I love Asia. Been to 7 countries there but never Thailand. Will get there soon though as it looks beautiful.

As someone who voted Brexit for reasons I can’t even remember, I have to say it’s made little or no difference to me, as someone said to me if we re joined after 8 years being out what would I miss most about not being a member. Minor irritations like passport control maybe.
One thing that’s very emotive though is the UK fishing industry I was shocked that how much it’s talked about yet only adds 0.03% to UK GDP indeed Harrods the shop on Brompton Road employs more people than we have actual fishermen.

Are you actually suggesting that if we hadn't joined the common market none of the above would have been brought in by a UK Government??????
It is not all true anyway because I enjoyed paid holidays long before we joined.
We joined the common market, nothing more nothing less, and were assured that it would not progess into the United States of Europe or would interfere with individual national sovereignty etc etc etc. We were lied to, manipulated, charged vast sums of money, controlled and generally step by step had our sovereignty eroded. They even wanted us to ditch the pound. That was not what was envisaged, which was a common market. Why we left was the fact that sensible people could see or had actually witnessed this ideal of a community ruled from Brussels and said no more, enough is enough. Freedom of movement played a part in some people's decision to vote leave but it was by far not the main reason. Some of us witnessed it from the start. When we left it was nothing like what we had been sold. So we left. Those who were involved don't need the lies and propaganda spouted by people like you Jamie. WE WERE THERE.

Look at Hungary fined 200 million euros for breaking EU asylum laws recently and the fine increases daily.EU dictators says they are going to deduct it from their pocket money....Hungary hits back by saying they'll send them all by bus to Brussels.

And we were threatened with fines and sections if we broke EU laws whilst France were let off when they allowed blockading of ports thereby restricting British goods and often causing complete spoilage. Germany introduces unilateral border checks. Germany subsidises their shipbuilding industry and are considering supporting their car industry. All against the rules but not punished as those 2 countries control the Project.