What about your CTP membership….?

So does that mean you’re in danger of freezing Snowy or are you a closet Millionaire

Sort of halfway……closet snowman….the clues in the name ffs,,,,

In my younger days pre no central heating, only one coal fire, no heating allowances etc I never remember much publicity about pensioners freezing to death and winters were a lot more colder then or weren’t the figures published ?

That is one of the most crass comments ever to grace the pages of the Bunker.
You sound like some conceited Victorian Mill owner complaining about your soft employees wanting half an hour off on Xmas day.

So if you didn't hear about it back in the day but you do now then surely you must ac eat things are getting worse?
Removing the WFA was indefensible when Labour were in opposition yet it was done within days of gaining power. Hypocrisy at its most obvious.
And to be fair, means testing should be introduced, but only after the threshold is set at a limit to protect those 4000 predicted excess deaths, and to prevent more pensioners being driven into poverty. That would maybe take a few months to figure out, but why the mad rush? Maybe in the meantime they could have taken £1bn back from the Dr's and train driver pay rises, or from the Overseas Aid budget, or mad Millibands green projects, or many other ways they could have saved the money without harming the most vulnerable in the UK.

I’ve got absolutely no quarrel with you Derwent, or anyone else, and sorry that’s how it came across.[/quote]

My only interest in you my friend (copyright you) is your behaviour on here and, as has been intimated, you come across as a left wing activist who, every time you're called out, play the I'm sorry card.
Play the smartarse as much as you like but don't be surprised if and when you get called out.
Have as much fun as you like on here but keep the political undertones further under, There's a good lad. [/quote]
Even if Mikey is a left winger what's wrong with that? I'm very left wing and proud of it.
'Political undertones'...the vast majority of posts on here are right wing.
And you talk about patronising...you are the most patronising poster on here by a long way...ever since you got your moderators cap.

I'd say the vast majority posting on here have openly criticised both main party's in government and in opposition.
Criticising current Labour policies doesn't make that criticism right wing.

Very funny.

The problem is there was no serious opposition to the Labour Party under the current voting system and until it changes it be either Labour or a Conservative government.

no, he is more or less saying what i said about an electric fire and wind blowing the curtains living in a draughty 18th century house like i had to when moving to yorkshire. its the truth and those mates of mine who lived in newer houses faired little better. only difference was more died earlier than now so it was not as big an issue.

Publicity on political issues back in the day was via TV and Radio news, or the newspapers so like most modern day evils they've been around for ever but you hear more about them nowadays due to the advent and growth of social media and the Internet.
It's f*cking 2024 and we should have zero pensioners freezing to death on a civilised society, so it is rather crass to write them off because history tells us things may have been worse back in the day.

Nearly 5,000 sadly died last year due to the cold you seem to think it’s normally none and losing £200 means it’s 4,000 totally avoidable deaths. Simply not true.

No I don't think it's normally none, I think it should actually be none though.
Loss of the £200/£300 will contribute to the deaths of 4000 more this year than normal according to Labour studies (not my numbers, remember when they were fighting to stop the Tories cutting the WFA)?

Very good point Rinkender.

There is no doubt that this government has made more mistakes in a short time than Pools away at Gateshead last season but a none means tested WFA needed tackling ( insert Pools defence pun here) did it need to be above pension credit levels In my opinion yes but the implementation would be an admin paperwork none starter.

no matter what anyone actually feels about the WFA it does feel like a big OG they,ll have a problem for the public to forget especially with the amount of savings they have made from it. mess with the old and the young in society then be very wary of a backlash from many.

My only interest in you my friend (copyright you) is your behaviour on here and, as has been intimated, you come across as a left wing activist who, every time you're called out, play the I'm sorry card.
Play the smartarse as much as you like but don't be surprised if and when you get called out.
Have as much fun as you like on here but keep the political undertones further under, There's a good lad. [/quote]
Even if Mikey is a left winger what's wrong with that? I'm very left wing and proud of it.
'Political undertones'...the vast majority of posts on here are right wing.
And you talk about patronising...you are the most patronising poster on here by a long way...ever since you got your moderators cap.[/quote]

Nothing wrong with being a left winger, who said there was. Leo Harden was one of the best entertainers ever to pull on a Pools shirt and he was an out and out left winger.
To someone like you, a self professed very left winger, just about every post is leaning to the right. I'm surprised that surprises you.
As my respect for you is less than zero any personal remarks you make fall on the proverbial stony ground. Not interested TBH.
Dearie me I've lost out again................what moderators cap ?????
Have I been denied a cap. Not fair...bah humbug. Ah well, I'll just have to make do with the massive salary I am graced with.

what i do not understand is how anyone from the labour left can be happy with the present labour government and its leader. surely taking money from pensioners, putting them and the lower paid having to pay more tax by keeping that theshold low is the last things they stand for.

They are not but Starmer currently is in control, anyone speaking out of turn has the whip removed, how many real lefties are in the Labour Party, Starmer would have seen there was very few prior to the election.

Party of the people, champions of the working class, protectors of the vurnerable................they're a joke on every count.....and a bad one at that.
They seriously need to change the name of the party because they are an insult to the original Labour movement.
Very little experience of business in the cabinet and even less of the old "shop floor".
What and who the hell do they represent?????????????????

Back in the day when we were all living in cold houses people paid more income tax than they do now. We all want to have our cake and eat It I bet you all know pensioners with hidden assets who claim universal credit but who are up in arms over the winter fuel carry on. This is a group that likes to say we should all be responsible for our own actions but there also too many who don't act that way in reality.

In those days instant news was not available and besides, people were used to hardship and just got on with life without blaming everyone else for their trouble. Now of course we have a snowflake society and an instant news regime which is not neutral. If they can sow the idea that all pensioners are going to die of cold and the whole nation relies on food banks, then thats what they will do.

They represent globalists hence their allowing the country to be swamped by migrants both legal and illegal. We have borders in this country but the government are not bothered about enforcing them although they try to sound as if they are ("Smash the gangs"). The Tories were singing from exactly the same song sheet although Labour are noticeably worse. Thus the government are not working in the best interests of the British people.

So more people sent back under Labour so far......

How are Labour 'noticeably' worse when the tories had 14 years at it and all they came up with was Rwanda which cost millions and was never ever going to work?!?
You really are odd Oddie!!

Well they have to be seen to be doing something ("we'll smash the gangs") but it is a drop in the ocean. At the end of the day they want more migration just like the Tories.

Snowy I talking only a few years ago not last century as usual you hit the keyboard before putting your brain into gear. When did you first live in a fully insulated, double glazed centrally heated house, me probably less than 40 years ago.

Couldn’t agree more, the right wing MSM has a lot to answer for, people are taken in by it.

I am not sure about that like but the last time I popped over to see Snowy he was indeed hiding in the closet if that helps.

How many times, it's not the MSM making numbers up, it's Labours own numbers you k ow commissioned when they were anti means testing / withdrawal of WFA!!
The MSM haven't created the issue they've done their job of reporting it. FFS even Labour supporting Unions have spoken out against the harm it will cause to their own former members.
Labour did the deed, not the Tories, not the MSM. Indefensible now as the proposal was when Labour were so against it. But then again they weren't going to raise NI either were they? They weren't going to put up asylum seekers in hotels were they?
I don't need the MSM to tell me I'm worse off now than I was 6 mo the ago, I suspect most are smart enough to figure it out for themselves too.

What right wing MSM is that….you name it…..then there’s the left wing media….
You obviously mustn’t watch it…but you don’t complain about the left wing media so it’s obvious where your politics are.

Dead right Mr P. The lefties are that embarassed at their idols cock ups they'll turn to anything to protect them.
The mess they are creating is breathtakingly reckless and those of us who can see it are supposed to shut up and stop picking on them.
No chance. They are in the big seat now and the focus is full on them and it's gonna stay on them
Apart from the diehard fanatics this Government are friendless. They'll stay that way until they shape up and stop making so many gaffs.
The kitchen is getting hotter and hotter. Sooner or later they'll be eyeing the exits and any will do.
You're not up to it Keir, on yer bike son.

I’ve got a brain to put into gear.
You sounded like the four Yorkshire Millionaires on a Monty Python sketch reminiscing on how hard it was years ago, but it did you no harm as if it was a badge of honour……:roll:
By the way if you discovered central heating 40 years ago, 1984, what were you living in…a bus shelter…..?

just going through the frocks donated by certain board members, to find out which are best for cleaning my paint brushes, your pink cotton summer two piece cut up nicely.

It might also go up.

A means tested WFA would cost more to implement than would be saved…dear old admin costs…. that’s why it wasn’t means tested.
Although a simple tax return based system could probably sort it out.

Last week the government published the number of pensioners who are eligible for Pension Credit and would therefore also receive WFA. Serious question, if they know the number they must know who the individuals are, so why not contact each and every one if them directly and make sure they get it?

It's only taken a few months before the lame excuses are rolled out, What we inherited, black holes, unfunded projects, bad press, nobody likes us, you didn't give the tories this treatment (but we did). Remember a chap called Boris who got dog's abuse. The lefties thought it was good fun hammering the last Government but are now whinging now their little darlings are getting it. What goes around comes around.

Taken in by what..Hearing the truth? Hearing about Starmer's multiple cock ups??..Well we want it all out in the open over here,jamie.....Are you calling for a news outlet like Channel one Russia?

Aye Boris I remember him...couldn't say a word against him on here with the likes of you.
The lad done well didn't he??

Exactly. Renaming this bunker as the Boris Appreciation Society takes some beating.

While Boris Johnson's behaviour and record of lying was an absolute disgrace and he was rightly kicked out, I believe Starmer's behaviour is far worse.

1. You can be locked up for saying the wrong thing on line.
2. He is deliberately hiding the truth about certain incidents and threatening with prison anyone who questions it.
3. He is doing absolutely zero about the illegals and indeed, they seem to see his inactivity as a green light.
4. I read today he is not ruling out bringing in a blasphemy law to protect the Koran.

Johnson was a liar and a hypocrit but Starmer is actually dangerous.

With one or two exceptions the Mainstream Media is dominated by the liberal left.

Who do you want to lead the country

Maybe it's time they stopped reading the news/media altogether then,who can they trust??...maybe join a commune and forget what's happening in the real world.

The one or two exceptions being The Telegraph, The FT, The Times, The Mail, The Express, Talk TV, GB News, The Spectator, The Sun and The Economist?

Damn,who'd have thought all these accusations aimed at starmer were all lies to sell papers eh..

I’d hardly call the Spectator or the economist mainstream reading with the public, same with the Financial Times.
The opposition ..The Guardian, the Mirror, The Independent, The Metro, the Observer
Now for the TV Channels.
The BBC…1&2, ITV, Channel 4, Sky News all lean to the woke, in fact the BBC & Channel 4 are so far left they’ve met themselves coming back.
We can see which way the wind blows with the media.