Well they lost to Trump but if he can cause WW3 Democrats stay in power.

To stay in power

To counter increased Russian bombing. Both sides positioning for the possible negotiations. If Ukraine keep some of Kurtz then thy think Russia will compromise on some of the invaded territory

The Russians will be after Keeping Crimea and the Don basin which is where the industry is.

In the meantime it's going to be even nastier for a while.

We have now crossed the 19th red line that Putin has set. Every time it has happened, Moscow has been 'furious' and banged on about nukes and WW3. Why do they do that? Because they know people might quake in their boots and forget that Russia doesn't have a nuclear monopoly. Luckily there are numerous nations and two UK governments who've seen the bluff, seen that the world isn't a big enough place to ignore what is happening and seen the importance of doing something to help Ukraine. My only regret is we should have been at this stage ages ago

Did Joe Biden just wander out of bed and had a moment!! ffs

Putin wrecks his economy, his military and turns his country into a pariah stats... but Joe Biden has had the 'moment'???

Who's giving you all this military strategy is what i want to know? ..You don't know the next move from Joe Bloggs tbf ..

A nuclear monopoly is an irrelevance, there’s no winners with nuclear weapons.

Nuclear War?ffs!!..I have a couple of fixed rate bonds maturing next month,snowy. .Just when it was getting good for us savers eh..

What? Like long range is better than short?

That doesn't mean capitulate to whoever shouts the loudest.

Let's just hope Joe sleeps well tonight,mr imp ...Just leave it all in the good hands of President Trump from now eh..

I’m not talking about who shouts loudest, it’s about nuclear war ..doesn’t matter who presses the button first, everyone loses.

It's a bloody metaphor.

I've managed to take a sneaky look at Trumps ingenious peace plan.

1. Throw Ukraine under the bus
2. See point 1.

Trumps plan was always how it was gonna end anyway.
Realpolitik always triumphs in the end, what’s just is irrelevant in this world.
As they say in Dr Strangelove ….’stop worrying and learn to love the bomb’, because no matter how just your cause, might is always right regrettably.

Realignment of Ukraine / Russian border so that neither loses face, block on Ukraine joining MATO or commitment that NATO forces will not be based in Ukraine will end it. The alternative is that the war continues endlessly or rapid expansion bringing a globally larger war and countless deaths.
Think both sides would prefer a negotiated peace now.

Putin will go for this. He thrives on western naivety and weakness and this would be yet another display of it This will give him what he wants for now and the chance to reset and plan for Ukraine 2. Ukraine will be without any security guarantees.

Putin invaded Ukraine in defiance of realpolitik. People want it to ve a rewarding experience for him.

But that’s what ‘realpolitik’ is…..

How so?

Dealing with harsh realities that dismiss genuine grievances because one power chooses to work towards its own targets and has the capability.
ie ….Stalin being told of complaints by the Pope asked how many divisions the Pope had…that’s Realpoitik.

That world work if the harsh realities only go one way. But they do not. Putin is beginning to face his. It is time to turn the screw. Let him know he isn't getting what he wants. He wants Ukraine to not exist. Nothing less.

I don't agree

100% on the money yet again " Our Kev ".

Agree Accy

Agree

Because.....

That’s a bit gung-ho…… chest beating where nuclear weapons are involved aint wise.

Not going to get into a discussion that I will not be allowed to win. All I would say on the subject is not to believe everything the media and our government tells you. It's a lot more complicated than most realise.

It ain't wise to show weakness to the likes of Putin. We did it with Georgia and Crimea. We can't afford to do it again.

"Not going to get into a discussion that I will not be allowed to win. All I would say on the subject is not to believe everything the media and our government tells you. It's a lot more complicated than most realise. "

It's not about winning but never mind.

I read very broadly. It is easier to get to the truth than in Russia. The situation largely is what it appears to be. There is no massive scandal.

Sorry Imp my wording was through tiredness. I didn't mean to say "win " I meant to say my beliefs ( I have followed this for years now ) would never be given a chance on the bunker so it's a pointless discussion for me.

I’m not entirely sure a truly outstanding leader would put a coked up pedo who has accepted bribes and stolen campaign funds in charge of the judiciary? Or indeed whether a great leader would put a man who shares conspiracies about vaccines, including that they cause autism in charge of the nations health? Does a brilliant leader appoint sycophantic tv personalities with no history of running the great offices of state to make decisions that affect global security?

Spot on.
Rather than respecting the borders of a sovereign nation, Trump’s solution seems to be to draw a new border across SE Ukraine and give it to Russia. I mean, that always goes well.

But Trumps solution would need to be accepted by both sides and from the noises Zelensky is making it sounds as if he's ready to start negotiating along those lines. Parts of Ukraine saw themselves as Russian before this kicked off anyway.

Well you’ll just have to get used to it, isn’t democracy shit when the people don’t share your world vision.
You complaining about Trump is like a ships Captain complaining about the sea, you’ll just have to cope with it because it’s in charge.
Never mind though, if it gets too much you can always rock on down to Seaton and be hypnotised or aroused by the wind turbines.

Because he can hear that bus coming along the road and Trumps heavy breathing approaching from the other direction. Putins propaganda and sham referendums says they did. Not a very reliable source.

Always thought it was Putin chest beating about Nuclear Weapons since day 1 of this war.

It was…..but you get to the point where the warnings stop and you have to act or lose face…and he’s in a place where losing face spells out your time’s up…but just because you’ve got away with it so far doesn’t mean you’ve actually got away with it.
Never thought I’d see the day people were dumb enough to even consider pushing the idea of testing someone’s resolve to see if they dare use nuclear weapons….it’s as if the Cold War taught us nothing..

Plenty of independent polls showed that many Ukrainians on the Russian borders either didn't care or actually preferred to be part of Russia. Hardly Russian propaganda if the info has come from the West.
I suspect many will feel the same today if it means peace, and Ukraine will be paying off debts (most aid has been loans or grants) for centuries.
At the end of the day I would imagine that Trump has already warned Putin, you fire 1 nuke and I'll hit you with 100. Putting will not risk it imo.

While it seems support for Ukraine is generally still strong across the country despite misinformation and Russian meddling on social media, I am intrigued by a kind of double standard slipping in where we commemorate the lives of those who fought for the existence of our country but when it’s another country some people are blase about Russia walking into Ukraine. As has been said above there should have been a far, far stronger response in 2014.

Good to hear from you Derek. I woke up the day after the election and shrugged my shoulders and got on with life, ironically very unlike what would have happened with Trump’s supporters had he narrowly lost. Same with Brexit - the vast majority who voted to stay in the EU just get on with it, despite the huge, demonstrable hit to our economy. If the vote was reversed it would still be on the front covers of papers every day even now, because the right wing media is owned by self-serving, narcissists.
Totally agree though, that’s democracy, but part of that is having the right to call out the normalisation of appointing fraudulent, unqualified criminals to high office, something that ultimately will also negatively affect our country. I’m surprised that you’re comfortable with a drug-taking pedo being proposed as head of the judicial service though and indifferent to convicted rapists being acceptable leaders? And why is it rules governing laws and taxation don’t need to apply to billionaires?
Truth said however, there’s a bit of me actually looking forward to seeing what America’s tariff policy brings. Everyone praising him for being a strong leader now will be the same people complaining when costs in our country rise. And those wanting mass deportations here will see how complex and expensive it really is. Then when what little healthcare American citizens gets is revoked, we can all watch with indifference as health inequality rise.
Interesting times matey.

Well Julian….
I don’t trust any politicians.
I get great pleasure though from asking those who lose squirming and donning the robes of Martydom.
By the way there’s and ‘a’ in paedo which you seem keen to emphasise.
Brexit and Trump…two words guaranteed to cause paranoia in some people….and who never stop harking back to it.
There, there………have a nice day.

Weren’t the Democrats in power when this started…? Maybe Obama realised his Arab Spring got out of hand ( Gaza now) and threatening Russia was not a good idea, which it wasn’t…..it went quiet under Trump then when Biden became President the Russians thought it was too good an opportunity to miss, Putin openly mocked him and the rest is history.
I suspect you’d have been urging caution back then.
The sensible option was to quote the original Roosevelt back in the day who said ‘Talk quietly and carry a big stick’.

I’m not entirely sure a truly outstanding leader would put a coked up pedo who has accepted bribes and stolen campaign funds in charge of the judiciary? Or indeed whether a great leader would put a man who shares conspiracies about vaccines, including that they cause autism in charge of the nations health? Does a brilliant leader appoint sycophantic tv personalities with no history of running the great offices of state to make decisions that affect global security?[/quote]

Well you’ll just have to get used to it, isn’t democracy shit when the people don’t share your world vision.
You complaining about Trump is like a ships Captain complaining about the sea, you’ll just have to cope with it because it’s in charge.
Never mind though, if it gets too much you can always rock on down to Seaton and be hypnotised or aroused by the wind turbines.[/quote]

Good to hear from you Derek. I woke up the day after the election and shrugged my shoulders and got on with life, ironically very unlike what would have happened with Trump’s supporters had he narrowly lost. Same with Brexit - the vast majority who voted to stay in the EU just get on with it, despite the huge, demonstrable hit to our economy. If the vote was reversed it would still be on the front covers of papers every day even now, because the right wing media is owned by self-serving, narcissists.
Totally agree though, that’s democracy, but part of that is having the right to call out the normalisation of appointing fraudulent, unqualified criminals to high office, something that ultimately will also negatively affect our country. I’m surprised that you’re comfortable with a drug-taking pedo being proposed as head of the judicial service though and indifferent to convicted rapists being acceptable leaders? And why is it rules governing laws and taxation don’t need to apply to billionaires?
Truth said however, there’s a bit of me actually looking forward to seeing what America’s tariff policy brings. Everyone praising him for being a strong leader now will be the same people complaining when costs in our country rise. And those wanting mass deportations here will see how complex and expensive it really is. Then when what little healthcare American citizens gets is revoked, we can all watch with indifference as health inequality rise.
Interesting times matey.[/quote]
Well Julian….
I don’t trust any politicians.
I get great pleasure though from asking those who lose squirming and donning the robes of Martydom.
By the way there’s and ‘a’ in paedo which you seem keen to emphasise.
Brexit and Trump…two words guaranteed to cause paranoia in some people….and who never stop harking back to it.
There, there………have a nice day.[/quote]

'I don't trust any politicians' is a great way of not having an opinion that can be scrutinised. I shall take your lead in future.

Thanks for the spelling advice - thankfully I've not had to type that word much. And as much as I appreciate the correction, it does slightly gloss over the fact that Trump wants to install someone being investigated for sleeping with a minor, drug abuse, stealing campaign funds etc. People seem cool with it though, so all good.

Yes, big mistake in my view, similarly with Obama expanding the use of drones across the Middle East - he made loads of foreign policy mistakes. I like the quote though and agree but the stick is useless if you're not prepared to use it. There lies the route to appeasement.

but its only 9 says back we were remembering those who died making this country safe for all. seems everyone from everywhere are remembered apart from the millions of russians who lost their lives in two world wars on the side of us. never heard once the name of that country being mentioned or that in ukraine you can still find people from the real far right and anything bad from there seems erased from history.