Starmer and Labour again

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Jamie1952 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

PTID wrote:

23 out of 31 countries are "expected" to meet the 2% of GDP commitment. Last year the US were by far the biggest contributor both in actual monetary sum but 3.49% of GDP. When Trump threatened to pull out of NATO only 5 countries met the target. So his threat actually worked. Let's face it without the US NATO would have no clout or deterrent effect whatsoever.
These numbers come directly from NATO press releases so I'd imagine they're fact.
And I still reckon reigning in NATO expansion would be worth the price if Putin retreated from Ukraine.

same here and the biggest worry i have if the yanks pulled out of their financial backing would the UK do its upmost to fill the gap.

I get the impression the yanks feel ultra safe as the Atlantic Ocean separates them from Europe and they won’t be invaded although 9/11 proved it wasn’t immune to terrorists attacks.

thank god for flash gordon stopping ming the merciless as the yanks would have shit themselves without his imput.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Leggie43 wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

PTID wrote:

Trump's guff got another 18 out of 31 countries to pay their share. Trump's guff may very well put an end to the conflict in Ukraine, who knows? But it's been what 2 years or more now where the West had had zero impact in bringing it to an end, at an astronomical cost in aid to Us the taxpayers.

Its true. You've got summat there.

And the tin hat thing..... sorry to you... Leggie?

Pooly_Imp thank you. But you don't need to apologise to me or anyone else for what you said. You have your opinion and I have mine and that's totally fine. I just think when it comes to politics we cannot control what happens and are left in the dark in regard to what really goes on and this muddies the waters for any of us to be able to say what is true and what is propaganda. For those reasons I believe it's best to agree or simply disagree with each other and put forward differing opinions.

it would not be too bad if government policies were agreed upon by half the population rather than just the odd few which seems the way of the world now.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

accrington fan wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

PTID wrote:

Trump's guff got another 18 out of 31 countries to pay their share. Trump's guff may very well put an end to the conflict in Ukraine, who knows? But it's been what 2 years or more now where the West had had zero impact in bringing it to an end, at an astronomical cost in aid to Us the taxpayers.

Its true. You've got summat there.

And the tin hat thing..... sorry to you... Leggie?

Pooly_Imp thank you. But you don't need to apologise to me or anyone else for what you said. You have your opinion and I have mine and that's totally fine. I just think when it comes to politics we cannot control what happens and are left in the dark in regard to what really goes on and this muddies the waters for any of us to be able to say what is true and what is propaganda. For those reasons I believe it's best to agree or simply disagree with each other and put forward differing opinions.

it would not be too bad if government policies were agreed upon by half the population rather than just the odd few which seems the way of the world now.

Very sad but very true Accy. We can only imagine what those poor soles who died in WW1 & WW2 would think about the state of the country. A country they gave their lives to protect. banghead

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36265

accrington fan wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

PTID wrote:

Trump's guff got another 18 out of 31 countries to pay their share. Trump's guff may very well put an end to the conflict in Ukraine, who knows? But it's been what 2 years or more now where the West had had zero impact in bringing it to an end, at an astronomical cost in aid to Us the taxpayers.

Its true. You've got summat there.

And the tin hat thing..... sorry to you... Leggie?

Pooly_Imp thank you. But you don't need to apologise to me or anyone else for what you said. You have your opinion and I have mine and that's totally fine. I just think when it comes to politics we cannot control what happens and are left in the dark in regard to what really goes on and this muddies the waters for any of us to be able to say what is true and what is propaganda. For those reasons I believe it's best to agree or simply disagree with each other and put forward differing opinions.

it would not be too bad if government policies were agreed upon by half the population rather than just the odd few which seems the way of the world now.

We are ruled by a middle class elite who look down on us as the Mill workers were looked down in Victorian times.
They pander to odd groups outside the mainstream and stand logic on its head altering reality to fit their view.
We are lead by idiots detached from reality.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Snowy wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

Pooly_Imp wrote:

PTID wrote:

Trump's guff got another 18 out of 31 countries to pay their share. Trump's guff may very well put an end to the conflict in Ukraine, who knows? But it's been what 2 years or more now where the West had had zero impact in bringing it to an end, at an astronomical cost in aid to Us the taxpayers.

Its true. You've got summat there.

And the tin hat thing..... sorry to you... Leggie?

Pooly_Imp thank you. But you don't need to apologise to me or anyone else for what you said. You have your opinion and I have mine and that's totally fine. I just think when it comes to politics we cannot control what happens and are left in the dark in regard to what really goes on and this muddies the waters for any of us to be able to say what is true and what is propaganda. For those reasons I believe it's best to agree or simply disagree with each other and put forward differing opinions.

it would not be too bad if government policies were agreed upon by half the population rather than just the odd few which seems the way of the world now.

We are ruled by a middle class elite who look down on us as the Mill workers were looked down in Victorian times.
They pander to odd groups outside the mainstream and stand logic on its head altering reality to fit their view.
We are lead by idiots detached from reality.

Optimistic · **Joined:** Sun May 31, 2009 4:07 pm **Posts:** 1040

Gets worse by the day, now they have lied about the Southport killer, who murdered those little girls. Seems that he is Jihadi terrorist in the making

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36265

Optimistic wrote:

Gets worse by the day, now they have lied about the Southport killer, who murdered those little girls. Seems that he is Jihadi terrorist in the making

I remember after that pensioner was murdered here, everything went quiet as though it never happened which I found odd at the time.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Snowy wrote:

Optimistic wrote:

Gets worse by the day, now they have lied about the Southport killer, who murdered those little girls. Seems that he is Jihadi terrorist in the making

I remember after that pensioner was murdered here, everything went quiet as though it never happened which I found odd at the time.

i,m sure nobody needs it being spelt out for them. when was the last time you heard anything about manchester airport and how little was mentioned about a homophobic attack with the murder of gay guts in reading at the time. looking at certain sections of the community in a bad way can get you in trouble and there seems an unwritten league table of which ones have protected status.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6995

The public only get to know when the MSM decide to print it or the news channels see it as important, we are controlled by the media, they only show on tv what they see as important or what sells newspapers.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Jamie1952 wrote:

The public only get to know when the MSM decide to print it or the news channels see it as important, we are controlled by the media, they only show on tv what they see as important or what sells newspapers.

like who is doing this or that in a dancing competition and are too lazy to give it its full name.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3441

Jamie1952 wrote:

The public only get to know when the MSM decide to print it or the news channels see it as important, we are controlled by the media, they only show on tv what they see as important or what sells newspapers.

MSM controlled by the lefties and their supporters who just bury their heads in the sand every time a barbaric act is committed on our streets you mean,jamie?

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Sussex UK wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

The public only get to know when the MSM decide to print it or the news channels see it as important, we are controlled by the media, they only show on tv what they see as important or what sells newspapers.

MSM controlled by the lefties and their supporters who just bury their heads in the sand every time a barbaric act is committed on our streets you mean,jamie?

sure its a certain type of lefty that used to be called the champaign socialist that are to blame. so far removed from the average man in the street lefty whose agendas are miles different. one group can afford their stance the other cannot and its hard to see how they can make good bed fellows.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3441

Random attacks at venues on strangers, acid attacks,cleavers,poisons ,terror manuals..Will the lefties ever be convinced there's a real threat out there?

Talk about running into a brick wall with that lot...

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6995

Sussex UK wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

The public only get to know when the MSM decide to print it or the news channels see it as important, we are controlled by the media, they only show on tv what they see as important or what sells newspapers.

MSM controlled by the lefties and their supporters who just bury their heads in the sand every time a barbaric act is committed on our streets you mean,jamie?

MSM controlled by the lefties, the majority of the MSM is owned by right wingers like Rupert Murdoch.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:31 pm

And Elon Musk.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36265

accrington fan wrote:

PTID wrote:

23 out of 31 countries are "expected" to meet the 2% of GDP commitment. Last year the US were by far the biggest contributor both in actual monetary sum but 3.49% of GDP. When Trump threatened to pull out of NATO only 5 countries met the target. So his threat actually worked. Let's face it without the US NATO would have no clout or deterrent effect whatsoever.
These numbers come directly from NATO press releases so I'd imagine they're fact.
And I still reckon reigning in NATO expansion would be worth the price if Putin retreated from Ukraine.

same here and the biggest worry i have if the yanks pulled out of their financial backing would the UK do its upmost to fill the gap.

Our armed forces are a joke…not the troops, those organising it.
We now have more Civil Servants in the MOD than actually serve in the Navy and Air Force combined.
We have so called patrol boats the tonnage of a WW2 Destroyer…..armed with one peashooter gun…other countries seem to get more bang for their buck than we do …a sorry piss take it is. :angry-tappingfoot:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36265

Jamie1952 wrote:

Sussex UK wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

The public only get to know when the MSM decide to print it or the news channels see it as important, we are controlled by the media, they only show on tv what they see as important or what sells newspapers.

MSM controlled by the lefties and their supporters who just bury their heads in the sand every time a barbaric act is committed on our streets you mean,jamie?

MSM controlled by the lefties, the majority of the MSM is owned by right wingers like
Rupert Murdoch.

Rupert Murdoch does not own Sky TV…Comcast USA bought it.
He owns the Sun and Times.
The Guardian and Observer are owned by the Scott Trust.
The Independent are owned by Russian Alexander Lebedev.
The Daily Mail and Metro are owned by DMGT.
The Daily Mirror and Daily Express are owned by Reach plc.
BBC and Channel 4 are publicly owned by act of Parliament.
ITV are owned by themselves since 1955.
Channel 5 are owned by Paramount (US).

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:00 pm

I see the St.Helens Primary school planned new build got a specific mention in the Budget, any particular reason for that?

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:17 pm

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

I see the St.Helens Primary school planned new build got a specific mention in the Budget, any particular reason for that?

The North East was only mentioned three times. St Helens that probably was going ahead anyway and something in Sunderland and the North East Mayor. Its like this north east region does not exist. Money for Manchester and West Midlands mayors but not Tees Valley.

Sussex UK · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:34 pm **Posts:** 3441

MutleyRules wrote:

And Elon Musk.

He vowed to destroy the 'Woke Mind Virus' so he bought Twitter..Good on him!!

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36265

Bluestreak wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

I see the St.Helens Primary school planned new build got a specific mention in the Budget, any particular reason for that?

The North East was only mentioned three times. St Helens that probably was going ahead anyway and something in Sunderland and the North East Mayor. Its like this north east region does not exist. Money for Manchester and West Midlands mayors but not Tees Valley.

Funny how all these schools built in the sixties and seventies appear to be built of high impact Weetabix…while the older schools need artillery to demolish them.
There’s one new build school that looks as though there was a sale of a batch of assorted leftover UPVC windows mounted in a random pattern by hurling them at the building with great force ……almost as if Salvador Dali taken up architecture. :laugh:

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:18 pm

Snowy wrote:

Bluestreak wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

I see the St.Helens Primary school planned new build got a specific mention in the Budget, any particular reason for that?

The North East was only mentioned three times. St Helens that probably was going ahead anyway and something in Sunderland and the North East Mayor. Its like this north east region does not exist. Money for Manchester and West Midlands mayors but not Tees Valley.

Funny how all these schools built in the sixties and seventies appear to be built of high impact Weetabix…while the older schools need artillery to demolish them.
There’s one new build school that looks as though there was a sale of a batch of assorted leftover UPVC windows mounted in a random pattern by hurling them at the building with great force ……almost as if Salvador Dali taken up architecture. :laugh:

Very true and St Helens is a great school and should be rebuilt.
I have seen a report of another £20 million for the town which i hope is in addition to the £25 million from the last government. I want proof of no double accounting.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36265

Bluestreak wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Bluestreak wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

I see the St.Helens Primary school planned new build got a specific mention in the Budget, any particular reason for that?

The North East was only mentioned three times. St Helens that probably was going ahead anyway and something in Sunderland and the North East Mayor. Its like this north east region does not exist. Money for Manchester and West Midlands mayors but not Tees Valley.

Funny how all these schools built in the sixties and seventies appear to be built of high impact Weetabix…while the older schools need artillery to demolish them.
There’s one new build school that looks as though there was a sale of a batch of assorted leftover UPVC windows mounted in a random pattern by hurling them at the building with great force ……almost as if Salvador Dali taken up architecture. :laugh:

Very true and St Helens is a great school and should be rebuilt.
I have seen a report of another £20 million for the town which i hope is in addition to the £25 million from the last government. I want proof of no double accounting.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the outstanding balance is reinvented as a gift from the new arrivals…that we already own….it is politics after all and nobody blushes.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6995

Most new build public buildings are steel and external insulated cladding with internal plasterboard stud walls.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Jamie1952 wrote:

Most new build public buildings are steel and external insulated cladding with internal plasterboard stud walls.

thought that was a description of war time prefabs with a ten year lifespan.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 6995

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Most new build public buildings are steel and external insulated cladding with internal plasterboard stud walls.

thought that was a description of war time prefabs with a ten year lifespan.

The new Leisure Centre all cladding and steel, not a brick in sight,
https://youtu.be/tD37RB6ASPw

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

Snowy wrote:

Bluestreak wrote:

[
Funny how all these schools built in the sixties and seventies appear to be built of high impact Weetabix…while the older schools need artillery to demolish them.
There’s one new build school that looks as though there was a sale of a batch of assorted leftover UPVC windows mounted in a random pattern by hurling them at the building with great force ……almost as if Salvador Dali taken up architecture. :laugh:

problem was at the time of these new school buildings it was all about glass and modernity and anything old needed pulling down. even if the costs were the same it would have been better being put into the re furb of old schools rather than the ones who look to have a shorter life than they had. sod the money and the classrooms as long as the bogs are up to date and warm.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36265

Jamie1952 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

Most new build public buildings are steel and external insulated cladding with internal plasterboard stud walls.

thought that was a description of war time prefabs with a ten year lifespan.

The new Leisure Centre all cladding and steel, not a brick in sight,
https://youtu.be/tD37RB6ASPw

Mill House has a steel frame but a brick and concrete structure and the bricks are engineering bricks, hard as nails and will be worth something when the end comes.

Kenny Bottles · **Joined:** Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:00 pm **Posts:** 719

Snowy wrote:

Mill House has a steel frame but a brick and concrete structure and the bricks are engineering bricks, hard as nails and will be worth something when the end comes.

This is true.

During my second exile in Yackerland - circa 1992 to 2005 - the local Pikeys would demolish your outside bog and coalhouse for nowt as long as they could keep the bricks.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3864

Well that backfired spectacularly for Starmer, what a buffoon. Starmers congratulatory message mentions working together and shared values of freedom, democracy, and enterprise. They're total polar opposites, Trump is all for the US, Starmer is a globalist. Trump is decisive and Starmer is a fence sitter. Trump will lead an economic upturn for the US, Starmer will bankrupt the UK and make every one if us poorer.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:17 am

Bring it on. :laugh:

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18786

PTID wrote:

Well that backfired spectacularly for Starmer, what a buffoon. Starmers congratulatory message mentions working together and shared values of freedom, democracy, and enterprise. They're total polar opposites, Trump is all for the US, Starmer is a globalist. Trump is decisive and Starmer is a fence sitter. Trump will lead an economic upturn for the US, Starmer will bankrupt the UK and make every one if us poorer.

seeing how so many in this country follow whats happening in the US and there attitudes we could see a kick back on the woke. something donald is not no matter what people think of.

Starmer and Labour again

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