Talk about short sighted incompetence. Some of you will know that Labour have sent 100 odd people to the US to support Harris’s campaign however it’s now gone to court with Trump’s lawyers rightly citing foreign interference.

It’s likely that Donald Trump will win next month as Harris has plummeted in the polls despite her rolling out Obama to support her. The problem is that most Americans think Obama was style over substance. Without googling can you think of a single achievement of the Obama presidency? I thought not and you wont find much even with Google.

So now we’re in a position where the next US president sees the UK government as an enemy. Surely anyone with a modicum of IQ could have predicted this would become a problem.

This has been happening for many many years....Tories send people over to support the Republicans, Labour send people over to support the Democrats.
Nothing to see here.

Trump files lawsuits as part of his campaign strategy all the time, this is just to create a false equivalence with the Russians influencing the election on his behalf

It should be banned for all Party’s.
Coming in and going out.

Being nice to Trump means he'll be nice to you didn't work. The Tories tried it. It didn't work.

Starmer is just the latest in a long line of naive and incompetents, they get worse as time moves on. Result of sheltered and privileged upbringing for most of them, never lived or worked on the real world. Labour is a party of idealists and activists which is fine in opposition but they have no idea of how to govern. Torys not much better if at all.
Democracy is broken totally under the present electoral system and loyalty to party being seen as the highest priority. We vote for a local MP but in reality we get a party puppet. Surely every vote in Parliament a free vote for each mp to truly vote with their conscience and in align with the majority of their constituents.

Also when Farage is over there campaigning on Trump's behalf isn't that foreign interference?

exactly. he has done it for his own personal wishes and has there been a concerted effort from starmer to send his supporters over there or these people are just doing a nigal. really would it change anybodies vote on here if the town had a few republicans or democrats walking about. doubt those in detroit will take notice of a few english labour supporters telling them how to vote. i,d tell em to mind there bloody business and get there basket case country sorted out first.

Farage wasn’t an MP at the time.

Good post. You're probably better off with an independent MP.

It doesn't seem sensible for anyone to do this as the risk of alienating the eventual winner is not worth taking. I know they all do it but what's the point of taking sides unless you're sure of backing the winner.

As anyone with half a brain knows, Trump’s team have been filing complaints about the election for months, with a variety of nonsense objections. It’s part of his plan to undermine the election and allow him to not accept the result if it is one he doesn’t like.

Since he became an MP he's been to America more times than he's been to Clacton.

That may well be so, but…don’t go needlessly out of your way to wind up a political pit bull that holds a grudge….
The real problem was the communication sent out by the gormless organiser describing them as ‘staff’ ..in other words employees of the Party that’s causing the trouble not volunteer Party members.

he should buy pools and we,d never lose a game if he had is way. any defeat would be objected to with conspiracy theories abounding.

We have them on the board already, Trump would be an amateur in comparison.

If Trump wins our man Farage gets to greet him off Air Force One ..that weasel starmer won't get a look in.What a gaffe sending that lot over

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-22/tru ... parliament


Top Blokes !!

A few days before the Budget and they're out and about at 3am. What a disgrace!!


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Pricks. We need more Zelensky's in the world, not these two pratts.

Also Farage funded his own travel and accommodation. To all intents and purposes he was there as a private citizen.

Trumps the only Western leader who could get them around the table for peace talks..Trump for the White House 2024!!!

We’ve got Starmer…oh dear …Max headroom without a personality

Wonder if that MP will be charged, tried, and sent to jail within a week as were recent folk charged with disorder on the streets?

Oh the irony - nobody within the Workers Party Government knows what the definition of a worker is!!

He's committed an act of violence.
So should Deffo go to the clinker for 4 years.

Or is it just anti immigration protesters who get the special treatment.

Anyone know what happened to the outcome of that airport violence.
Disgrace if that is still ongoing

The only western leader who'll just give Putin what he wants.

Corrected it for you.

Trump will give Putin what he wants to please himself not to please Put in. Trump doesn't want NATO expansion as the US is basically bankrolling the whole membership.
If he stopped the expansion of NATO in exchange for Russia withdrawing from Ukraine would that be a bad thing anyway?

correct.

its all gone quiet about it. is this what they want, keep quiet and the hope everyone forgets about it.

So, obtaining political gain from the gullible by giving assent to a murdering bastard dictator. Just the same thing with different words.

Trump is talking bollocks about NATO members but paying their way but folks will believe him without learning for themselves. 23 out of 31 countries pay their way with 6 of those paying more than their share. Russias neighbours, who Trump specifically mentioned all pay their share. USA don't even pay the biggest proportion of GDP. Not even in second place.

That's not a deal that will ever be made. Not that Putin sticks to them anyway. He just needs to be beaten, it is that simple. Trump thinks he can take the US back to 1939. Sorry Donald, lessons were learnt back then by better men than you.

100% on the money It really is that simple but this whole thing has been deliberately complicated by governments / banks and media for their own agendas.

Oh dear

Oh dear. Tin hat brigade. If only you were supported by actual facts.

" Tin hat brigade " Why attack other people who have a different opinion to your own. I am pretty sure most on here are adults that understands World events. Let's just agree to disagree and respect each other's opinions.

No I doubt Trump would give Putin anything bit of sabre rattling on NATO trying to get members to cough up and put more into defence He knows America is far safer inside NATO than outside

23 out of 31 countries are "expected" to meet the 2% of GDP commitment. Last year the US were by far the biggest contributor both in actual monetary sum but 3.49% of GDP. When Trump threatened to pull out of NATO only 5 countries met the target. So his threat actually worked. Let's face it without the US NATO would have no clout or deterrent effect whatsoever.
These numbers come directly from NATO press releases so I'd imagine they're fact.
And I still reckon reigning in NATO expansion would be worth the price if Putin retreated from Ukraine.

We will end up with Ukraine in NATO with a trade off 250 mile exclusive zone some like to call it no man’s land no military equipment inside of this exclusion zone both sides get what they want The USA would rather have eyes n ears outside of America

Agree.

Fact is..We need the USA acting as World policeman right now!!

Agree. The lefties hate America and whine on about US Imperialism but the plain fact is, without the US we would be fooked.

100% Agree.

You're assuming Putin would stick to some kind of agreement. That's not how he works. That's not how he has ever worked. He is in Ukraine despite there being a treaty in the first place. He went in to Ukraine to keep them out of NATO (and the Nazi thing etc...) so will not permit them to join. If they do It rules out his ever going back to take the rest of the country on some made up bollocks reason which he will. People who know him and who know about him have said it Its only Trump and the folks who take in his guff that believe otherwise.

Trump's guff got another 18 out of 31 countries to pay their share. Trump's guff may very well put an end to the conflict in Ukraine, who knows? But it's been what 2 years or more now where the West had had zero impact in bringing it to an end, at an astronomical cost in aid to Us the taxpayers.

Its true. You've got summat there.

And the tin hat thing..... sorry to you... Leggie?

If we had acted sooner ( the West) we will have achieved more. As it is look at the amazing job the Ukrainians have done.
Decimated the red army (the trained ones anyway) and the Black Sea Fleet. The amount spent is equivalent to running the US for a single day. An American expert said we could not have hoped to degrade Russia so amazingly cheaply. The perspective matters whe n it comes to these amounts.

I don't min Trump but wish he hadn't pivoted this as an angle to win votes. These poor buggers are fighting for their country's existence and Trump is playing political football and spouting BS. We have enough garbage coming from the Russian side.

Can I take a purely cynical approach here, I would rather they were fighting the Russians than us, because they have that inner desire to succeed in their bid to be independent from what they justly regard as their enemy.
Ukrainian’s even welcomed the arrival of the Germans when they invaded Russia because of the famine which killed millions of their people due to Stalins reorganising of the agricultural system and nationalising it which was a complete disaster in the 1930’s so they ain’t exactly bosom buddies.

same here and the biggest worry i have if the yanks pulled out of their financial backing would the UK do its upmost to fill the gap.

I get the impression the yanks feel ultra safe as the Atlantic Ocean separates them from Europe and they won’t be invaded although 9/11 proved it wasn’t immune to terrorists attacks.

Its true. You've got summat there.

And the tin hat thing..... sorry to you... Leggie?

Pooly_Imp thank you. But you don't need to apologise to me or anyone else for what you said. You have your opinion and I have mine and that's totally fine. I just think when it comes to politics we cannot control what happens and are left in the dark in regard to what really goes on and this muddies the waters for any of us to be able to say what is true and what is propaganda. For those reasons I believe it's best to agree or simply disagree with each other and put forward differing opinions.