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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 10:05 pm 
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Anybody heard any rumours as to who it could be?

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Graham Murty from sunlun
Mark Tinkler from borer
Steve Watson - loids
Paul Simpson ex Carlisle

Think Pete Wild is unlikely
Mark Venus?

Does anyone know if there were any likely suspects present in the crowd yesterday?


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No mention of the actor Christopher Timothy?


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Cattermole from Boro also mentioned.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager/ Head Coach
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Cattermole from Boro also mentioned.


Why Dyke House though?


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How do you keep an idiot in suspense?


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Kettering Poolie wrote:
Anybody heard any rumours as to who it could be?

Names mentioned so far -

Graham Murty from sunlun
Mark Tinkler from borer
Steve Watson - loids
Paul Simpson ex Carlisle

Think Pete Wild is unlikely
Mark Venus?

Does anyone know if there were any likely suspects present in the crowd yesterday?

same old type of names we always seem to get. mind you sarll has not helped in gambling with a manager well out of the area and makes the choices i,d like to see not happening.


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Only the Murty rumour in which ya man from Tees on X also quoted as being true and there was initial discussions on going .

sure i read there was interviews lined up this week - seems again we have a list of managers all vying for this illustrious post as the Pools Gaffer ! I still think this job on any managers CV at lower level is good like, as LL was saying its biggest job in this league.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager/ Head Coach
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How do you keep an idiot in suspense?


Why Dyke House though?


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Only the Murty rumour in which ya man from Tees on X also quoted as being true and there was initial discussions on going .

sure i read there was interviews lined up this week - seems again we have a list of managers all vying for this illustrious post as the Pools Gaffer ! I still think this job on any managers CV at lower level is good like, as LL was saying its biggest job in this league.

in many ways its the hardest with fans not making it easy for them. much harder a job where for so many its promotion or bust because of our past who would never take a situation of a long game for improvement or just happy to be in this league and being one of the better clubs.


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Cattermole will fit in I can't remember how many times he's been sent off


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Being one of the better clubs in this league is a pipe dream until LL is replaced as manager.


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anyone else hear about the interviews this week.

im onto my source to see who he spots coming in


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anyone else hear about the interviews this week.

im onto my source to see who he spots coming in

can see em holding the interviews well away from the town in case we recognise people who did not get the job. just imagine say if peter wild got an interview but the youth team manager at bolton getting the job, making a cock of it and the meltdown that would cause. think others also wonder more who didn,t get the job as much as who got it.


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Didn't Pools use The Scotch Corner Hotel on the A1, for managerial interviews?


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Didn't Pools use The Scotch Corner Hotel on the A1, for managerial interviews?



and........The Asda cafe.

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 Post subject: Re: New Manager/ Head Coach
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How many times have we done this? Another new manager. Will come in and will be fired within 8 months or so. Then another and another and another and another and another. Anyone else really getting tired of it all. Its tough being a pools fan, really tests you


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Most of the sackings have been the right decision at the time though.
The alternative is keeping failing managers and relegation potentially.
Got to keep shaking the tree.


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PTID wrote:
Most of the sackings have been the right decision at the time though.
The alternative is keeping failing managers and relegation potentially.
Got to keep shaking the tree.



Oh i agree and i know most if not all do too. Its just tough to keep the faith at times


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Certainly had a few false dawns over the years.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager/ Head Coach
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PTID wrote:
Most of the sackings have been the right decision at the time though.
The alternative is keeping failing managers and relegation potentially.
Got to keep shaking the tree.


Most fans alternative would be getting the right one in in the first place.
Like the majority of them same size clubs above us.
Not many same size clubs below us.
In fact I don't think there's one. :angry-tappingfoot:

A few candidates in the Mail.
Grayson former Leeds manager looks the best option in my opinion.
UTP.


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But we hope everyone of them is the right one when they get the job don't we?


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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
PTID wrote:
Most of the sackings have been the right decision at the time though.
The alternative is keeping failing managers and relegation potentially.
Got to keep shaking the tree.


Most fans alternative would be getting the right one in in the first place.
Like the majority of them same size clubs above us.
Not many same size clubs below us.
In fact I don't think there's one. :angry-tappingfoot:

A few candidates in the Mail.
Grayson former Leeds manager looks the best option in my opinion.
UTP.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager/ Head Coach
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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
A few candidates in the Mail.
Grayson former Leeds manager looks the best option in my opinion.
UTP.

Been sacked from his last 4 jobs in English football after less than a season in charge. He lasted..

43 games at Fleetwood
38 games at Blackpool
14 games at Bradford
18 games at Sunderland

Sounds ideal.


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Virtually every manager,especially in lower leagues have c.v’s which include numerous dismissals. It’s an occupational hazard.


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Virtually every manager,especially in lower leagues have c.v’s which include numerous dismissals. It’s an occupational hazard.

Yeah, but the best ones also some success, being terrible 4 jobs in a row doesn’t indicate that he’d be an improvement, or that his career is on the up. More like a Dave Jones type appointment.


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It seems obvious from LL’s comments that whoever is appointed will be expected to make a serious push for the playoffs this season. He therefore needs to seek a firm commitment from Raj Singh/the Board that he will be backed in the likely event that he needs to strengthen the squad with the addition of a couple of quality players - even if this means offloading some under-performers, regardless of how long they have been at the club.


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In past 10yrs we’ve had, Moore,Jones,Harrison,Money,Hartley,Curle and Askey all have had some successes on their c.v’s.


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The best managers we’ve had either had recent success or were new to management, we’ve never had anyone who came here after being consistently crap elsewhere and was successful here.

We’ve also had some failures who have had recent success elsewhere or who were new to management. There doesn’t seem to be any way of picking someone that Guarantees success.


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Makes me laugh out loud that Pools continue to bring in managers that fail. Look at Barrow Halifax & Gateshead for example they are much smaller than us but keep on replacing manager after manager with the same standard or better than the one that left. Something or someone at Pools has not got a " Scooby Do " when it comes to hiring a decent manager. I have said time and again to put it to the supporters to decide. Gary Gibbon ran a pole in the fail asking fans to put forward names and Cyril was the highest vote. Gibson for all his faults went and got the man and paid him a decent salary to leave Torquay and it worked. :wink:


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Gary Gibbon ran a pole in the fail asking fans to put forward names and Cyril was the highest vote. Gibson for all his faults went and got the man and paid him a decent salary to leave Torquay and it worked. :wink:


Cyril had left Torquay well before he came here


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Leggie43 wrote:
Gary Gibbon ran a pole in the fail asking fans to put forward names and Cyril was the highest vote. Gibson for all his faults went and got the man and paid him a decent salary to leave Torquay and it worked. :wink:


Cyril had left Torquay well before he came here


He laid the foundations for Alan Murray to progress us.
FFS he didn't ask to die.
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bobby lemonade wrote:
Leggie43 wrote:
Gary Gibbon ran a pole in the fail asking fans to put forward names and Cyril was the highest vote. Gibson for all his faults went and got the man and paid him a decent salary to leave Torquay and it worked. :wink:


Cyril had left Torquay well before he came here


OK it was around 6 / 7 weeks after he came to Pools. But my point was Gibson did go after the manager the fans wanted and got him. :roll:


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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
bobby lemonade wrote:
Leggie43 wrote:
Gary Gibbon ran a pole in the fail asking fans to put forward names and Cyril was the highest vote. Gibson for all his faults went and got the man and paid him a decent salary to leave Torquay and it worked. :wink:


Cyril had left Torquay well before he came here


He laid the foundations for Alan Murray to progress us.
FFS he didn't ask to die.
:angry-tappingfoot: :angry-tappingfoot:


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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
bobby lemonade wrote:
Leggie43 wrote:
Gary Gibbon ran a pole in the fail asking fans to put forward names and Cyril was the highest vote. Gibson for all his faults went and got the man and paid him a decent salary to leave Torquay and it worked. :wink:


Cyril had left Torquay well before he came here


He laid the foundations for Alan Murray to progress us.
FFS he didn't ask to die.
:angry-tappingfoot: :angry-tappingfoot:


I can't argue with that lol


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Leggie43 wrote:
bobby lemonade wrote:
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Gary Gibbon ran a pole in the fail asking fans to put forward names and Cyril was the highest vote. Gibson for all his faults went and got the man and paid him a decent salary to leave Torquay and it worked. :wink:


Cyril had left Torquay well before he came here


OK it was around 6 / 7 weeks after he came to Pools. But my point was Gibson did go after the manager the fans wanted and got him. :roll:


I totally get it, the right man for the job at the time :) I just had doubts about your timeline. Wasn't trying to have a pop.


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Makes me laugh out loud that Pools continue to bring in managers that fail. Look at Barrow Halifax & Gateshead for example they are much smaller than us but keep on replacing manager after manager with the same standard or better than the one that left. Something or someone at Pools has not got a " Scooby Do " when it comes to hiring a decent manager. I have said time and again to put it to the supporters to decide. Gary Gibbon ran a pole in the fail asking fans to put forward names and Cyril was the highest vote. Gibson for all his faults went and got the man and paid him a decent salary to leave Torquay and it worked. :wink:

i,ll give the club a bit of slack with some of their appointments. show me one who hasn,t got the gift of the gab. seems the big part of being a manager and you,ll get nobody quiet or shy after the job. just imagine all the promises they,ll come up with and making the best of a cv they have. we were conned with the last one so you cannot really expect raj and the rest to be much better. no club at the outset hire a bad manager but the big proof is after they get the job. more luck than judgement i,m afraid.


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Robbie Stelling has done a list of 17 potential candidates in the Fail but it's a depressing read. Only half a dozen or so have much to recommend them. The rest are inexperieced long shots or has-beens.

His dad reckons Nicky Featherstone shouls be given a shot - with Mr. Burns mentoring him. Too soon and no thanks comes to mind considering the two halves of that equation.


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Robbie Stelling has done a list of 17 potential candidates in the Fail but it's a depressing read. Only half a dozen or so have much to recoomend them. The rest are inexperieced long shots or has-beens.

His dad reckons Nicky Featherstone shouls be given a shot - with Mr. Burns mentoring him. Too soon and no thanks comes to mind considering the two halves of that equation.

we are not in a position for anybody getting puppy walked unless yet again we see this season as another lost cause and except mid table mediocracy and concentrate on the next one.


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i,ll give the club a bit of slack with some of their appointments. show me one who hasn,t got the gift of the gab. seems the big part of being a manager and you,ll get nobody quiet or shy after the job. just imagine all the promises they,ll come up with and making the best of a cv they have. we were conned with the last one so you cannot really expect raj and the rest to be much better. no club at the outset hire a bad manager but the big proof is after they get the job. more luck than judgement i,m afraid.


I agree, I honestly think Sarll could have done better if he had an entire squad that was build for his own style of play (as awful as it is). But we have some of the best footballers in this division when the ball is played to feet (Mancini, Campbell, Grey, Mani D), so to succeed here he would have either had to get rid of them, which would have caused uproar, or change his style to suit them, which he was obviously unable/unwilling to do. (I know he signed Campbell, but he approached the club, rather than being someone that Sarll had identified as someone that he wanted in his squad, and they couldn’t really say no).

So given the talents and ability in the squad, we need to appoint someone whose style aligns with the majority of the best players in the squad, meaning that they only need a couple of bodies in before they have the squad they need rather than needing to replace half the squad in the next window, and only if they can find takers for existing players in contract.


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Id imagine any decent manager we may get (wishful thinking) - if he has experience of this level and knows what it takes to get out of it (as they all say!) will no doubt want to bring one or two of their own players in. Lets just hope we have the funds available. Cant see it like and like ive said before it will be some crap loan players who we yet again scratch our heads over thinking how the hell are they playing pro mens football. Not many managers also will come to this job if there isnt room for extra playing staff. Good team on paper yes - but even now im starting to think in reality its very mediocre and probably not as good as we all think it is (as shown this season). Some are just not performing and some just look not interested soon as the going gets tough. Hopefully an inspiring manager to come in and sort it all out


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thats why so many managers get the sack. there are different ways to play the game but some insist on it being played a certain way to the detriment of the players they have got. its like buying a car. you buy one for the type of motoring you do and not attempt to get a morris minor to do the work if a modern fast car is your real requirement.


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Id imagine any decent manager we may get (wishful thinking) - if he has experience of this level and knows what it takes to get out of it (as they all say!) will no doubt want to bring one or two of their own players in. Lets just hope we have the funds available. Cant see it like and like ive said before it will be some crap loan players who we yet again scratch our heads over thinking how the hell are they playing pro mens football. Not many managers also will come to this job if there isnt room for extra playing staff. Good team on paper yes - but even now im starting to think in reality its very mediocre and probably not as good as we all think it is (as shown this season). Some are just not performing and some just look not interested soon as the going gets tough. Hopefully an inspiring manager to come in and sort it all out

have never been in the dressing room but its hard to see anybody since challinor who could inspire anybody. just wonder if that happens anyway and there talks are more technical than inspirational where players would run through a brick wall for people like cloughie.


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Robbie Stelling has done a list of 17 potential candidates in the Fail but it's a depressing read. Only half a dozen or so have much to recommend them. The rest are inexperieced long shots or has-beens.

His dad reckons Nicky Featherstone shouls be given a shot - with Mr. Burns mentoring him. Too soon and no thanks comes to mind considering the two halves of that equation.

We've tried a lot of experienced ones, some having done a good job the season before, some having previous promotions from the National League, some with previous promotions from League 2, some with a playoff campaigns etc., and none have worked. How much worse could a youth couch really do than Darren Sarll, Paul Hartley or Keith Curle? I'd be much happier with a Graeme Murty/Lee Cattermole than a Simon Grayson/Jack Ross, although I'd prefer someone doing well in the league below to either.


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Id imagine any decent manager we may get (wishful thinking) - if he has experience of this level and knows what it takes to get out of it (as they all say!) will no doubt want to bring one or two of their own players in. Lets just hope we have the funds available. Cant see it like and like ive said before it will be some crap loan players who we yet again scratch our heads over thinking how the hell are they playing pro mens football. Not many managers also will come to this job if there isnt room for extra playing staff. Good team on paper yes - but even now im starting to think in reality its very mediocre and probably not as good as we all think it is (as shown this season). Some are just not performing and some just look not interested soon as the going gets tough. Hopefully an inspiring manager to come in and sort it all out

I think we're probably 2/3 players off having a very good squad. A left back, a centre mid who can play football and another striker maybe. The issue is we've once again got a half and half squad where most are suited to a more possession based ball on the floor style, and most of our centre mids and defenders are more of your Darren Sarll hoof first ask questions later.
We really need to pick a manager based on a style of play and stick to it for the next however many seasons.


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bobby lemonade wrote:
Leggie43 wrote:
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Gary Gibbon ran a pole in the fail asking fans to put forward names and Cyril was the highest vote. Gibson for all his faults went and got the man and paid him a decent salary to leave Torquay and it worked. :wink:


Cyril had left Torquay well before he came here


OK it was around 6 / 7 weeks after he came to Pools. But my point was Gibson did go after the manager the fans wanted and got him. :roll:


I totally get it, the right man for the job at the time :) I just had doubts about your timeline. Wasn't trying to have a pop.



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Go out and get pete wild a manager who seems to bring success. Lets stop pissing about hoping and actually go out and get someone, that appears to know what he is doing. Really is time the club acted like the club it once was, a proper traditional football league club. If we cant get him then we get the next best thing.


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Krampesh wrote:
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Robbie Stelling has done a list of 17 potential candidates in the Fail but it's a depressing read. Only half a dozen or so have much to recommend them. The rest are inexperieced long shots or has-beens.

His dad reckons Nicky Featherstone shouls be given a shot - with Mr. Burns mentoring him. Too soon and no thanks comes to mind considering the two halves of that equation.

We've tried a lot of experienced ones, some having done a good job the season before, some having previous promotions from the National League, some with previous promotions from League 2, some with a playoff campaigns etc., and none have worked. How much worse could a youth couch really do than Darren Sarll, Paul Hartley or Keith Curle? I'd be much happier with a Graeme Murty/Lee Cattermole than a Simon Grayson/Jack Ross, although I'd prefer someone doing well in the league below to either.


I'd be happy with another Dave Challinor. So yes, someone who is burning up the NLN would be a good bet, if they're willing to give up current job security for Raj's Flying Circus.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager/ Head Coach
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:49 pm 
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I saw a bloke who looked just like Ben Clark in a car in Morrisons car park.
Thought you would like to know. bbolt

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 Post subject: Re: New Manager/ Head Coach
PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:11 pm 
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
Go out and get pete wild a manager who seems to bring success. Lets stop pissing about hoping and actually go out and get someone, that appears to know what he is doing. Really is time the club acted like the club it once was, a proper traditional football league club. If we cant get him then we get the next best thing.


I finally got round to having a look at Pete Wild's record and he hasn't won anything apart from a couple of Manager of the Month awards.
Have I looked a different fella up?


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