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What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
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Author:  Jamie1952 [ Wed May 15, 2019 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Chris Hughton who in the passed was successful with Brighton albeit it was a difficult season only just avoiding relegation but keeping them in the Premier League and in the money, success ?

Neil Warnock has retained his job even though Cardiff were relegated, ok they will still have the parachute payment, failure ?

David Flitcroft sacked even though he got Mansfield too the play offs, where is the logic in that, failure ?
Author:  ptbap [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
It's all relative innit. Brighton don't want to be struggling every year, there setup is excellent, they want to be in the top half of the table. They can consider themselves now wanting to be established in the Premier League, not just surviving. Getting up is hard, staying up harder, they've done that twice, they want to kick on. Understandable to try something else.

Dunno about Warnock, bit of a dinosaur in my eyes, each to their own.

From what I've read about Mansfield/Flitcroft, they threw money at the season and his target was promotion, he didn't deliver that, they are obviously pissed with him.
Author:  PJPoolie [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
ptbap wrote:
It's all relative innit. Brighton don't want to be struggling every year, there setup is excellent, they want to be in the top half of the table. They can consider themselves now wanting to be established in the Premier League, not just surviving. Getting up is hard, staying up harder, they've done that twice, they want to kick on. Understandable to try something else.

Dunno about Warnock, bit of a dinosaur in my eyes, each to their own.

From what I've read about Mansfield/Flitcroft, they threw money at the season and his target was promotion, he didn't deliver that, they are obviously pissed with him.


This, it varies from club to club.

If you are manager of Real Madrid finish 2nd and don’t win the Champions League you’ll be sacked, win it sometimes and you’ll be sacked!

A bit of an over reaction to the Hughton sacking I think, yes he did a good job, a very good job. He’s a good manager at Championship level and has consolidated Brighton but they have won 3 games in 22. Unless something changed it looked to be heading in the wrong direction.
Author:  accrington fan [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:16 pm ]
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sean dyche kept his job at burnley who probably had the biggest drop in league position in the prem. think they are happy just to play in the divisions whilst others maybe brighton think they are bigger than they actually are.
Author:  PJPoolie [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Well not really Burnley were never involved in much relegation talk and had a strong second half of the season, if the season had gone on another week or two on form Brighton probably would have gone down. It’s surely about wanting to evolve and get better? That’s not thinking you are better than you are it’s showing ambition. Hughton probably reached a ceiling at Brighton.
Author:  Freaky Teeth [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:34 pm ]
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Brighton need to be careful, I remember when Bolton sacked Sam because they wanted to improve. Think it was the next season they were relegated. Some clubs just don't realise what a good job their managers are doing.
Author:  tREE_wiTH_hAMStER [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Within about 5 minutes of Hughton getting sacked, Sky Sports did their usual interview with John Barnes.
Author:  Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
Within about 5 minutes of Hughton getting sacked, Sky Sports did their usual interview with John Barnes.


who definitely hasn't missed a meal since he retired.
Author:  Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Craig Hignett has already gone on record saying he expects to be sacked at the end of next season if Pools aren't at least there or thereabouts for a play-off place. Given Raj's past record he's probably right, friendship or no friendship.

It's all down to the temperament of chairman at the end of the day, innit? Steve Gibson at one end of the spectrum, dozens of trigger happy chairmen at the other.
Author:  PJPoolie [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Freaky Teeth wrote:
Brighton need to be careful, I remember when Bolton sacked Sam because they wanted to improve. Think it was the next season they were relegated. Some clubs just don't realise what a good job their managers are doing.


Allardyce resigned from Bolton and took the Newcastle job a few weeks later in May 2007.

Bolton were relegated from the Premier League in May 2012.

Who are you Allardyce’s official career airbrusher/biographer!!?
Author:  ptbap [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
The metropolitan (or catchment if you like) area of Brighton is around 3/4 million people. They have invested in their facilities, they don't want to be a yoyo club, it took them so long to get back into the top flight, they can't continue on as they were (3 wins in 22). I'd imagine if you are a chairman/board and you see Wolves, Watford, Everton, Leicester you would probably sit and ask yourself and your board, why can't we do as well as they are?

On a much smaller scale, we could find ourselves in a similar position, it might take us ten years to get back into the Football League, once in, would you risk dropping back out again for the sake of a change of manager and a bit of compo? There was nothing to suggest anything but another relegation battle for Brighton next season.
Author:  Bluestreak [ Wed May 15, 2019 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Chris Hughton for Boro?
Author:  phil [ Wed May 15, 2019 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Chris Hughton was rightfully sacked, he only picked up like 6 points since Christmas and Brighton fell from comfortably midtable to 2 points from relegation. He has also had over £100mil of investment in the last 2 seasons. Brighton had peaked under him and were on a downward trajectory. It's noticeable that of all the people complaining about his sacking, none of them are Brighton supporters.

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Author:  yloop [ Wed May 15, 2019 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Do Brighton even have supporters?
Author:  ptbap [ Wed May 15, 2019 2:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
yloop wrote:
Do Brighton even have supporters?


30,317* average this season, 12th best in the Premier League.

*Amex holds 30,750. Apparently they have 6,000 people on their season ticket waiting list
Author:  Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father [ Wed May 15, 2019 3:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
And to think we were beating them in League One not that long ago. Can't wait for Pools to be minnows in with the big fish again, being a big fish in this little league ain't what it's cracked up to be.
Author:  yloop [ Thu May 16, 2019 10:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
ptbap wrote:

30,317* average this season, 12th best in the Premier League.

*Amex holds 30,750. Apparently they have 6,000 people on their season ticket waiting list


Oh I know people go to their games, but actual supporters?
Author:  Bluestreak [ Thu May 16, 2019 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
While Brighton were sponsored by American Express you could buy your chips and pie using the card.

"American Express? ....Certainly sir!

A suggestion for the new Pools catering guru?
Author:  ukanttouchme [ Thu May 16, 2019 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
I work in Brighton and I'm impressed by how much the locals get behind the team. Yes some people have clearly just latched on to the success and might not stick around if they begin to struggle but I get the sense Brighton is the first team for a lot more people here than elsewhere. And massive credit to the fans who had to endure home games played at Gillingham in the past (roughly the equivalent of us playing in leeds) and have stuck around.
Author:  Mr Ripper [ Thu May 16, 2019 1:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
What about sacking a manager when you’ve just been promoted?

I’m sure that would look pretty fking strange to anybody remote from the club involved.

Oh how I’d like us to have that “problem” again.
Author:  Montpoolier [ Thu May 16, 2019 2:51 pm ]
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Mr Ripper wrote:
Oh how I’d like us to have that “problem” again.

Yep, back in the days when we never felt the need to talk about retained lists.
Author:  Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father [ Thu May 16, 2019 3:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
It's maddening to think that that Pools are now operating on a much reduced player budget after the parachute money wasted by Harrison on a bunch of expensive duds. You can only excuse Loach and Donaldson, who have been expensive too but at least not comedy gold on a par with the likes of Laing, Adams, George and Munns, plus Newton stealing a wage all this season.
Author:  yloop [ Thu May 16, 2019 4:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:
It's maddening to think that that Pools are now operating on a much reduced player budget after the parachute money wasted by Harrison on a bunch of expensive duds. You can only excuse Loach and Donaldson, who have been expensive too but at least not comedy gold on a par with the likes of Laing, Adams, George and Munns, plus Newton stealing a wage all this season.


At the same time these players weren't getting paid. We started that season off very well and it wasn't until the shit hit the fan that we were fucked over (again). Harrison wasn't spectacular but you can't blame him or the signings for the shitstorm that followed.
Author:  Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father [ Thu May 16, 2019 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Granted they were very tough times for everyone employed by the club, but some of those players were dogshit however you look at it, and Luke George rivaled Parnaby for the number of minutes he actually spent on the pitch.

Comparison with how the Gateshead squad played well through worse times this season doesn't do Harrison's signings any favours.
Author:  Montpoolier [ Thu May 16, 2019 11:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
So who was the last player we spent more time praising than rubbishing? Joel Porter?
Author:  Yubep [ Fri May 17, 2019 8:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Mr Ripper wrote:
What about sacking a manager when you’ve just been promoted?

I’m sure that would look pretty fking strange to anybody remote from the club involved.

Oh how I’d like us to have that “problem” again.


Are you saying we shouldnt have sacked newell or we should?
Author:  accrington fan [ Fri May 17, 2019 9:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Montpoolier wrote:
So who was the last player we spent more time praising than rubbishing? Joel Porter?

no, Watty Moore.
Author:  PJPoolie [ Fri May 17, 2019 10:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Yubep wrote:

Are you saying we shouldnt have sacked newell or we should?


I think he’s just saying it would have looked strange to an outsider who would have been unaware of his busy social life!

We got Neale Cooper and the best two Pools supporting years to date so I’d say Ken got that one spot on.
Author:  Mr Ripper [ Fri May 17, 2019 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
PJPoolie wrote:

I think he’s just saying it would have looked strange to an outsider who would have been unaware of his busy social life!

We got Neale Cooper and the best two Pools supporting years to date so I’d say Ken got that one spot on.


^^ this ^^
Author:  Montpoolier [ Sat May 18, 2019 7:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
To be fair to Newell, two years later he got another promotion on his CV. He can't have been completely useless.
Author:  kevin pooles gloves [ Sun May 19, 2019 7:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
Seen as we one of the best supported team home n away that non league as ever had.
Then promotion bak to the league is success.
Failure in the play offs is not the end of the world but gives u hope for next season.

Finishing below 7th is major failure not consolidation.

Going by Higgys blog he's now on the same wavelength as me in that everyone connected to the club gives 100% commitment. (which hasn't happened for a while for various reasons)
UTP.
Author:  accrington fan [ Sun May 19, 2019 9:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is Classed as Success or Failure ?
kevin pooles gloves wrote:

Going by Higgys blog he's now on the same wavelength as me in that everyone connected to the club gives 100% commitment. (which hasn't happened for a while for various reasons)
UTP.

commitment is the minimum of whats expected on and off the pitch. you can forgive a lad that tries to some extent but never anyone who,s either lazy or shows commitment when they fancy it.
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