The Retained List

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Maybe Ken and Russ and waiting for the election result as that is clearly pivotal to the future of the club....

billythefisherman · **Joined:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:40 am **Posts:** 388

It's not out no

Hartlepool davey · **Joined:** Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:14 pm **Posts:** 270

Remember when John Hughes tried to do the same thing

BOON13 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:31 am **Posts:** 23

I mentioned this on another post and someone mentioned the players have already been told whose staying and whose leaving, on Tuesday I think they said.

It does seem daft when we were told last week that it would be released this week and still nothing.

Someone probably threw the keyboard out the window to stop Ken posting things on the Website. Now they are waiting on a replacement to arrive.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Maybe Russ is waiting for some of the longer serving players to go on holiday so he can bin them by text message as Hodcroft sits near stroking a cat?

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 9:57 am

If the players knew on Tuesday you would expect something to come out on social media and someone on here to share it.

oldtimer · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:06 pm **Posts:** 17

Maybe we are keeping all the boro crocks and other ones we dont want and the club dare not tell us

BOON13 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:31 am **Posts:** 23

It says on here that talks are continuing with the last few players. Probs trying to work out how to get rind of some more deadwood that have longer on their contracts.

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/f ... -1-7249978

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 10:08 am

"The Club will not be announcing a retained list in order to cut costs. To find out who we have kept, we would advise strongly to purchase a season ticket and we'll whisper it in your ear once full payment is received.

The Club will be making no further comment at this time."

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9834

Well if its not out today then there must be something RONNIE and hodcroft cant agree on.

Cant see RONNIE taking any shit as he will have a queue of clubs wanting his services.

Anything can happen with pools when ior are still at the helm.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 10:19 am

They wont announce the retained list until they've hired a temp to tell the departing players they are fired.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Or quite simply, Hodcroft has told Ronnie no one is to be released, because they are all legends. Remember they all helped with the great escape.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Sponsor a blade of grass and you find out.

thetownendfaithful · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 10:44 am

Ronnie will of submitted his list. Hodcroft and Fat Green will be going through it to make the final decision. As always.

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 10:45 am

How do I know the blade of grass won't get cut as soon as I sponsor it?

HonestPoolie · **Joined:** Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:46 pm **Posts:** 663

In the past few years we have announced our retained list and then news of players offered new deals has came out in drips and drabs so maybe Ronnie just wants it all doing in one batch to get it out of the way and move forward knowing what we need instead of being messed about?

If its not that then I dread to think what's taking so long

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 10:56 am

Maybe some players are taking a lot of persuading to stay.

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 2:58 pm

No news tonight I guess then!!

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 3:20 pm

Herman's Hermits?

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9834

Well ronnie hasent been sacked like hughes was.
Not sure if no news is good or bad.
This thread to be continued next week.
That sounds like another episode of BATMAN eh eh!

Minton · **Joined:** Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:53 pm **Posts:** 89

Considering the players got told early in the week, they're taking the piss announcing who's staying and going. Cmon man!!!

poolygordy · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:17 pm **Posts:** 190

perhaps there is no one on the retained list hence it would be a waste of time to announce it???!!

poolygordy · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:17 pm **Posts:** 190

who would you retain??
Harrison yes
Fenwick yes
All others at least a question mark ?????????

poolygordy · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:17 pm **Posts:** 190

younger and athletic eh
A bloke i know has a 2 year old German Shepherd........ that should do the trick!

Minton · **Joined:** Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:53 pm **Posts:** 89

Flinders
Harrison
Duckworth
Jones
Featherstone
Walker
Franks
Fenwick

The rest can leave for me.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 6:58 pm

poolygordy wrote:

younger and athletic eh
A bloke i know has a 2 year old German Shepherd........ that should do the trick!

Excellent!

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Chip Fireball wrote:

According to tonight's Fail they are still in discussions with players out of contract and Moore is now talking about trying to sign 5 or 6 players.

Also said they will be going after younger more athletic types rather than experienced and ageing pros.

Ie cheap.

billygoatblue · **Joined:** Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:30 am **Posts:** 606

Well business as usual, this week already heard that players won't move north, young players rather than experience, wanting 9 new players which has quickly been downgraded to 5 or 6 and we'll be using the loan system. Not really filling me with confidence that Ken has learnt anything from last season(s).

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Can kens biggest supporters really stand by the club if we have another summer of no signings, loans and keeping the dross?

We need 8/9 new players or we will be down at the bottom again, no doubt about it.

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billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4483

Considering we have lost 8 players already before we even cut the squad id say we need a damn sight more than 8 not 5 or 6 loanees. This is hodcrofts last chance saloon and already going by moores comments it looks like he lost in the battle of the boardroom with hodcroft

yloop · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 8:16 pm

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

This is hodcrofts last chance saloon

Sadly it won't be as the usual suspects will lap up the spin.

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 8:28 pm

I think a lot of our fan's totally underestimate just how difficult it is to attract players to come to Pools. Firstly if they don't have a previous North East connection of some sort they're reluctant to come at all.
Generally it's either players from up here who are homesick or their spouses/girlfriends are. They must be prepared to take a pay cut. We did have (and still to some extent) a large contingent who travel up from the Yorkshire area, so unless they're prepared to commute they're out. The fact we train at Houghall at Durham is a big plus for obvious reason's, a lovely setting on the edge of a beautiful city.
What we need to brush up on is the number of players from up here who slip through the net, or the number of players we spend a lot of time and money bringing through given more game time. We seem to be addressing the latter point of late thankfully.
I reckon the only way we can attract players from further afield or higher league's is to try and match wages, so possibly a smaller squad next season with more players out than in, or an owner/investors with deep pockets.
It's not easy though. Fortunately we do have a good reputation for treating loan players from higher league clubs quite well, so this may again work for us next season. You do need to get in quick though to tie up the experienced loanee's, not the inexperienced kid's we've had to endure last couple of season's.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Is that you ken

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paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 8:37 pm

Yubep wrote:

Is that you ken

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Mr Hodcroft to you.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Ps pay the money, they'll come.

People forget, no fucker moves up here n lives in hartlepool, they aren't holed up in a 2 bed semi in winterbottom avenue.

They go to Durham or Newcastle, live there n train in Durham, live a great life with a flat on the quayside.

But obviously if you offer a few hundred quid a week they aren't gunna fancy the grim north are they.

We had no problems attracting people north until about 2009.

Funny that

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paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 8:42 pm

We even had trouble attracting players in the 70's and 80's , but your probably too young to remember that.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9834

The season ticket renewals will probably come out before the retained list.
Ambition and ior just dont go together.
The council
The labour party
The fans
the pitch
cctv
vat
Any excuse not to reinvest into the team.

billygoatblue · **Joined:** Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:30 am **Posts:** 606

If the club show zero ambition again this summer I really hope Ronnie just walks, he deserves better.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 9:05 pm

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/ ... 2940530._/?

suggests it will be out middle of next week

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9834

So its been delayed till after the ronnie moore talk in.
Make the club some money ronnie then that 750k you saved me n russ er you can have none of it!

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

We even had trouble attracting players in the 70's and 80's , but your probably too young to remember that.

Yes the 70s n 80s when we were shite n paid peanuts, fancy that!

we paid decent money 10 year ago n had the players to show.

Now we dont and people wont come.

It's as simple as that.

Blue and White · **Posted:** Fri May 08, 2015 10:29 pm

billygoatblue wrote:

If the club show zero ambition again this summer I really hope Ronnie just walks, he deserves better.

As has already been said can't see him taking any shit he will easily get another job

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Sat May 09, 2015 6:54 am

Chip Fireball wrote:

Always struggled to attract players from outside the North-East ??? WTF ???

Its only about 5 year back that Chris Turner signed about 4 billion players from all over the fucking place. In fact if you look at Turners 2 spells at the club, he signed players from Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Southern Ireland, Scandanavia, Down South, The Midlands, just about everywhere.

As has been said, if you pay the money, players will come. Gordon Watson was born in Kent and had been at Bournemouth and Portsmouth before he came to Pools.

Excuse my 'selective memory' but I seem to remember we only got Watson because he'd been crocked a couple of times, had received a large insurance pay-out and was a good friend and ex-player with Humphries. He continued to live on the South Coast while with us, trained with Southampton during the week and flew up for home games.

As for splashing the cash, we'd throw about the odd 60k now and again but it's not as if we were the 'Bank of England'. In fact if you could equate which Football League team has spent the least on player transfers in the last 50 years I'd hazard a guess we'd be that team, and by a good distance. Why do you think we have ex-players with biographies titled 'A tenner and a box of kippers'. Which does make it all the more astonishing and satisfying that we have managed to survive.
Yes I also want our owners to dig deep into their pockets, but I keep hearing people say 'we should never let ourselves get into this position again', unless Ronnie is very shrewd (and I think he is) we may have to cruise the loan system again next season or maybe some of our main sponsors can make some hefty funds available for 'transfers/new players only' :pray:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Sat May 09, 2015 7:03 am

Yubep wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

We even had trouble attracting players in the 70's and 80's , but your probably too young to remember that.

Yes the 70s n 80s when we were shite n paid peanuts, fancy that!

we paid decent money 10 year ago n had the players to show.

Now we dont and people wont come.

It's as simple as that.

....and your telling us what that we don't already know?

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Yeah i am and i'm telling you once again this 'we cant attract players up north' argument, has only just started to be peddled out by pools managers, chris turner and neale cooper had no problem getting lads up to the north east as the club paid a good wage.

Jon bass was a brummy, taffy williams welsh, darrell clarke from mansfield way, joel porter from aus, dimi from greece, would you like me to name another 20/30 players that danny wilson had no problem bringing in from all over the country?

congress_tart · **Posted:** Sat May 09, 2015 7:29 am

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

Chip Fireball wrote:

Always struggled to attract players from outside the North-East ??? WTF ???

Its only about 5 year back that Chris Turner signed about 4 billion players from all over the fucking place. In fact if you look at Turners 2 spells at the club, he signed players from Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Southern Ireland, Scandanavia, Down South, The Midlands, just about everywhere.

As has been said, if you pay the money, players will come. Gordon Watson was born in Kent and had been at Bournemouth and Portsmouth before he came to Pools.

Excuse my 'selective memory' but I seem to remember we only got Watson because he'd been crocked a couple of times, had received a large insurance pay-out and was a good friend and ex-player with Humphries. He continued to live on the South Coast while with us, trained with Southampton during the week and flew up for home games.

As for splashing the cash, we'd throw about the odd 60k now and again but it's not as if we were the 'Bank of England'. In fact if you could equate which Football League team has spent the least on player transfers in the last 50 years I'd hazard a guess we'd be that team, and by a good distance. Why do you think we have ex-players with biographies titled 'A tenner and a box of kippers'. Which does make it all the more astonishing and satisfying that we have managed to survive.
Yes I also want our owners to dig deep into their pockets, but I keep hearing people say 'we should never let ourselves get into this position again', unless Ronnie is very shrewd (and I think he is) we may have to cruise the loan system again next season or maybe some of our main sponsors can make some hefty funds available for 'transfers/new players only' :pray:

To me it is not about 'digging deep into their pockets' or making 'hefty funds available for transfers', it is about using the existing income to have a competitive wage budget instead of inexplicably hiding behind FFP.

Paying transfer fee's would be nice, and I understand why some fans may expect it with the Luke James and Jack Baldwin cash, but I think we have a manager who get a competitive team together on half decent free transfers if this cash and other income was used towards having a sensible wage budget.

billygoatblue · **Joined:** Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:30 am **Posts:** 606

The playing budget has been drastically slashed over several seasons, its pretty evident what will happen if its cut even further this year. Surely if IOR need to save more money they should look at making efficiency savings in our ludicrously high administrative costs. As has been said above if the wage structure is sensible and Ronnie has full control on comings and goings we should have a competitive albeit mid table team.

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Sat May 09, 2015 10:08 am

Yubep wrote:

Yeah i am and i'm telling you once again this 'we cant attract players up north' argument, has only just started to be peddled out by pools managers, chris turner and neale cooper had no problem getting lads up to the north east as the club paid a good wage.

Jon bass was a brummy, taffy williams welsh, darrell clarke from mansfield way, joel porter from aus, dimi from greece, would you like me to name another 20/30 players that danny wilson had no problem bringing in from all over the country?

So our Manager (Ronnie Moore) was quoted the other week as saying 'we have trouble attracting players up here, why I don't know?' .........are you calling him a liar?

roadrunner · **Joined:** Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:32 pm **Posts:** 266

I don't think some people are get it.

It's a struggle to get players to come to the north east for the money we are offering now.

When Chris Turner was here Ken Hodcroft for whatever reason fully supported Chris Turner, not with big transfer fees but with good wages.

We were bringing players in on the bosman rule offering good wages.

I can recall managers occasionally commenting they clubs couldn't compete with the wages Hartlepool were offering, that's how we did it then.

Before anybody comments I'm not talking about the Sheffield type clubs I'm talking about the average size clubs who were in the lower divisions then.

qwerty keyboard · **Posted:** Sat May 09, 2015 11:10 am

Current squad birthplaces show that players come from all over the place:

Barnsley
Stockton
Slough
Torquay
Germany
Goole
Rotherham
Hampstead
Middlesbrough
South Africa
Bishop Auckland
Easington
Sheffield
Newham
Pocklington
Billingham
Durham

Pools have training facilities equal or better than most clubs and the players have the pick of places to live in easy reach of them. Things that will put off new signings is money, league position, the manager and the ambition of the owners.

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