The Poolie Bunker

Expecting a final decision sometime next week probably Friday afternoon.

Aye, can’t go on for much longer.

Won't it be Monday - what with it being the last day of June or Tuesday at the latest.
I would suggest given that they're both still here (just) that they want to stay.

FFS Pools just give them what they want on two or even THREE year deals. Mani has more than earned it given his goal return over the last two seasons and Joe potentially then commands a decent transfer fee, as and when he does depart- Its a NO brainer!

Don,t think either are after more money, Well may be a little as we all are.
And both have been able to sign for another club for sometime.
I think its the Owner situation that,s keeping them hanging, And i wonder who would do that deliberately.

Am working on assumption they have something lined up and it will be announced 30 June but could be wrong…didn’t expect Sheron to sign

at least they have not left yet officially and if they actually do re sign it could be good on two counts. they,ll be playing for us next season and the takeover is still on.

Should they both leave in the next week- think things could turn toxic

Unless they secure EFL deals

[quote="Kettering Poolie"]Should they both leave in the next week- think things could turn toxic

Unless they secure EFL deals[/quote

Things could turn toxic?

Two players signed this week and ‘fans’ are raining down hate on them, how much more toxic can it get?

It can….but let’s hope not eh?

Stop bullshitting
Toxic my arse

Didn’t have you down as a happy clapper Kev.

Bullshitting? Think you've been sat in the sun too long Kev-

So when half our goals scored over the last two seasons walk out the door (without
receiving a penny for either), simply because the club are too tight to offer them a competitive contract to stay- you're OK with that?

[quote=
the club are too tight to offer them a competitive contract to stay- you're OK with that? [/quote]

You are obviously the man in the know so, could you enlighten everyone as to what they been offered and what is competitive? Thank you.

My toxic response was down to Rinkenders last sentence.
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Misinterpretations

You are obviously the man in the know so, could you enlighten everyone as to what they been offered and what is competitive? Thank you.[/quote]

He doesn't need to. The club has form in this regard. Lots of it.

Don,t know where the idea we won,t pay comes from.

We paid a FULL £1 for Flo from Harra.

What form is there to prove our wages are not competitive? Mani D came to us for better than Halifax could offer, we attracted Charman, Campbell, Hunter, Sheron, who all had other offers from clubs at our level or higher in Campbells case. We brought in Waterfall and Parkes from higher level. These facts suggest we are indeed competitive.
If our new CB has chosen us over Carlisle that suggests we're competitive.
The problem to me seems to be more we're competitive in the transfer market but not enough on the pitch.

Competitive?(

Were got 11 players turn up on
Monday for training.

You are obviously the man in the know so, could you enlighten everyone as to what they been offered and what is competitive? Thank you.[/quote]

I've never once claimed to be the man in the know- I don't even live in the town anymore, you plum.

If they had been offered what they believed to be good terms, they would have signed the contracts already OR would have made it clear they were off.

As they haven't signed them, or left as yet, I think it's fair to assume that neither believe what they have been offered reflects their contributions to the team during the last couple of seasons. Where is the difficulty in understanding that?

Therefore the club needs to improve their respective offers of terms and conditions - otherwise both will walk on Tuesday. We don't need to know the finer details -whether it's £50 or £100, it's paying them what they can clearly earn elsewhere- either in basic wage or performance related extras

I'd rather both players stayed as we barely have eleven as it is and will require plenty incoming without adding to it.

Ah right
Fair comment in that case!

We've brought in utter dross from higher levels. There's only been us with such shit recruitment that would take em. Why do you think our cb chose us over Carlisle? Cos that bilge coming out of the club says so?

No problem
it happens

Hopefully next Saturday the club and us fans are all in a better place!

UTP.

Who is raining hate? Where? They're in the wrong if they are.

They are however underwhelming signings end of. They may come good, they may not. I dearly hope they do but going on well established patterns we've seen in the last few years it's more likely not.

So all these players offered contracts by their previous clubs were only wanted by us? They were obviously wanted by their previous clubs weren't they?
Underwhelming signings, end of? Why is it end of, have you seen them play, what do you base your lowly opinion of them on?

You never learn do you? Every year you come out with this nonsense. Do you not get tired of being wrong?

Where am I wrong then?

The problem is it becomes par for the course ….and the norm… and you can’t argue with the results.

Where you started typing.

We have a template now for how our seasons will span out.
Never enough ability to get near the top…. but a perfect mix to position us bang in the middle, ticking over, existing, offering distant hope but never coming anywhere near getting in among the top dogs and happy to potter about this division in perpetuity.
A team designed to miss out.
I expect nothing to change.

Of course our wages at times will be better than some clubs, possibly because we got rid of all our other players on larger wages from the promotion squad, but in the main its bigger than Halifax which is hardly anything to write home about considering they pull in about 1500 fans on a good day. We should be knocking clubs like that out the water like York forest green Southend Oldham do to us. The fact we have around 12 to 13 players at this point should enable us to compete with Carlisle over 1 player unfortunately for us Carlisle probably be able to bring in another 10 higher paid players than we can.if we are competitive why do we keep going back to ex players and injury proners? It does not make sense. We will never be competitive under raj Singh, he got extremely lucky with a great manager once and managed to fuck that up big time.

Yet we pay bigger wages than some of these clubs who've consistently outperformed us on the pitch, so budget wise we are competitive with them, that is the point I'm making.
We're signing players who've come from clubs who finished above us or from higher leagues and yet those players don't seem to be able to perform for us and their old teams find replacements to enable them to continue to finish above us.
Why, for years do we sign keep signing players who look decent signings yet turn out to be bang average or worse? Who apart from Cleary has looked to improved during his time with us over the last few seasons?

For starters its obvious the people making the player recruitment aren't good enough. Possibly because they are having to look at cheap bargains, hence our obsession with injury prone players. Then we are not able to bring enough quality in that possibly makes better players look bad. Featherstone, ferguson etc looked great players in the promotion team, now to be fair they look pretty shit. I doubt many clubs starting pre season only have 12 players and about 6 to 8 aren't up to it.

I will stick my neck out and say if we are ever taken over the quality of player will go up. Remember York last year ridiculed cos they had money and weren't very good, eventually they kept bringing quality after quality in and looked on a different level to us last season.

York were looking like relegation candidates in their first season after the Ugglas invested heavily.
It's all guesswork, but if we had more investment would it be a given that our on-field performances and results will improve? Are there other areas that need thought and possibly changing? Recruitment based on player history looks ok imo, but are the players the right characters to play here, is there a fundamental coaching or dressing room issue at our club (is there a flawed "we've always done things this way" issue), why do we train mainly at facilities where the pitches are plastic and is this not only affecting league performances on grass and causing the seemingly endless and continuous "injured in trading" issues, etc?

My reply is 2nd paragraph.
Dunno what happened there.

The formula is fairly straightforward for a successful club…you hire a decent manager and invest in the team.
You don’t interfere or panic when things hit bumps in the road ….as supporters are fairly sophisticated to realise Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Leave well alone and let the manager manage.

It can’t be done on the cheap, but spending a fortune never guarantees anything either…it’s about getting the balance right and standing well back and supporting the manager.

With no interference from Leonard like last season.

Is he still on the payroll?.

Brings zero to the club in my world like

We're losing players that we have offered terms to to lower tier clubs. We are nothing flash.

Which of them would you have kept?

plus we need to get over this that gates are the main thing that gives clubs the budgets they have. they help, but the biggest help comes from sponsorship and the size of the owners wallets and there wish to spend what they can. we have reached a stage now where any signing is looked on as if pools is there last chance saloon where realistically we have beat other clubs to sign them. the same way is other of our targets have decided to go somewhere else.

but its getting like the 70,s and 80,s where poor replaced poor and might have well kept what we had for the good it made.

some players love training and playing on plastic but the majority do not and wonder if thats one of the reasons they pick up those training ground muscle injuries because they are tense all the time.

Other clubs at all levels have proven that money helps but it's getting value for what you spend that matters. Man Utd and Spurs near the bottom of the PL and at our level York last season show that simply spending fortunes isn't a magic bullet.
On the other hand the likes of Brighton, Brentford, and at our level Gateshead do better than expected. One thing they seem to me to have in common is they have a football identity and style of play which doesn't change as personnel (managers and players) come and go. We have no footballing identity and preferred style of play, changing as managers come and go with players not able to adapt and therefore becoming misfits. I'd expect the strategy for our footballing identity would come from our Director of Football yet we are continually changing from style to style - Sarll and hoofball, Lennie and park the bus, Limbrick expansive, three entirely different styles in one season with no focus on recruitment or team selection to suit a fixed or preferred strategy.
Hopefully this takeover happens and the new owners will change things at strategic level. Constant player and manager churn certainly isn't the key.

Yes to do well at this level you need to be well funded and competently run…will
Let others opine on if we have either of these, but I agree the complete scatter gun approach to managers is not setting us up for success

think mansfield town are a great example of that. players and managers have come and gone over the last 70 years but they are always mansfield a combatative outfit you need to match or better to beat them. fancy dans do not last long at field mill either in home or away shirts.

This is by no means the first time better player's contracts have been allowed to run down. We are told by the club that they have been in talks since January but is this true and if so was it the right offer. Is this similar to the young keeper and no talks have happened. The faults lie in player recruitment and hanging on to old men like Lennie and Ronnie Moore.

We need owners in to run the club as a football club with a tad of ambition.

Not a final payday for people who should be retired and that includes age groups 35 to 77.

Why does everything take soooo loooong to sort out?

Very good post PTID. You are spot on pointing out the likes of Brighton, Brentford and Gateshead as well run clubs.
The well defined structure pays dividends as the Premiership clubs often receive huge transfer fees for the better players yet still continue along the same lines. Let's hope the new manager is given the opportunity to build a successful squad but I doubt it!