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nick · **Posted:** Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:51 am

Mr I wrote:

I guess the black box survived too, was that supplied by the CIA ?

the black box of the plane that crashed in pennsylvania was too damaged for flight data to be recovered from it. voice recordings have been recovered.

the black box of the plane that (apparently) crashed into the pentagon was too damaged for voice data to be recovered, but flight data was recovered.

the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.
(Although a couple of firefighters were adamant they found 3 of the 4 black boxes at ground zero and they were immediately taken away by the FBI)

do these facts, for they are facts, not raise any suspicions or questions in your mind?

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Jonny wrote:

7) After the first attack why wasn't Bush moved to a secure location quickly?

He was visiting a school many hundreds of miles away.

This is getting very silly.

He was told of the events and remained in a room full of schoolkids for a while after recieving the news. If he had no prior knowledge of the clearly significant and syncronised terrorist activity, and he was able-minded, why did he not realise that he would be under imminent threat and get as far away as possible from a school full of kids?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22958

So stuff got destroyed in a fire and Bush looked stunned when he was told that 5000 people had just died in a terrorist attack in Washington.

Odd that isn't it.

Oh and by the way, the firemen were dealing with huge levels of death and trauma, I'm guessing that what were or weren't black boxes were not top of the agenda.

I'm out of this now, its very very silly.

nick · **Posted:** Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:30 pm

Mr I wrote:

So stuff got destroyed in a fire and Bush looked stunned when he was told that 5000 people had just died in a terrorist attack in Washington.

the issue is not that he looked stunned, it was that he sat in a room full of children for many minutes after being told. only a complete moron

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Oh and by the way, the firemen were dealing with huge levels of death and trauma, I'm guessing that what were or weren't black boxes were not top of the agenda.

That's irrelevant as well. The FBI has explicitly said that no black boxes were recovered. and if you look in any depth into the durability requirements of black boxes these days, the facts stated above will become very curious indeed.

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I'm out of this now, its very very silly.

without contesting any of the points made. good going.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22958

All of the points have been contested, we're now down to whether or not a black box was or not recognised by a traumatised fireman because that would be conclusive proof that the Bush administration and the US secret services planned and executed the killing of thousands of US citizens. It's simply too ridiculous to discuss.

nick · **Posted:** Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:24 pm

Mr I wrote:

All of the points have been contested, we're now down to whether or not a black box was or not recognised by a traumatised fireman because that would be conclusive proof that the Bush administration and the US secret services planned and executed the killing of thousands of US citizens. It's simply too ridiculous to discuss.

for a third time... where have I suggested that I even entertain the notion that the whole thing was carried out by the US government? you're not going to get very far if you're arguing against something I'm not even saying.

Spender · **Posted:** Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:27 pm

The point is not surely who's fault it was, but could it have been prevented?? The smart money says yes.

Or has someone already said that?? I just got here!! :grin:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 41057

I blame the Krankies... :roll:

Jonny · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:28 pm

Mr I wrote:

Jonny wrote:

1) Who knows what people's motications are? But it was widely known that the USA wanted to take on Iraq. 'Project for the new american century etc'.

Mr I wrote:

So the easiest way to do this was to kill 5000 of its own people ?.

------Who knows, but the events of 911 certainly made things easier.

Jonny wrote:

2) On building 7 Larry Silverstein (wtc owner) uses very suspect vocabulary in this clip about the collapse of building 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3E-26oVIIs

Mr I wrote:

His building had been at the entre of the biggest terrorist attack in history in which thousands of people died and you think he should be Mr Calm and collected?

-------No, but you have to admit that it was a very strange thing to say? What do you think he meant by the word pull then?

Jonny wrote:

3) This Windsor Building in Madrid wasn't hit by an aeroplane but managed to burn for 16 hours without miraculously collapsing to rubble.
Doesn't black smoke normally mean that the fire is short of oxygan and struggling to burn.

Mr I wrote:

Completely different building and completely different circumstances. Irrelevant

-------They were different buildings but not massively so in design.

Jonny wrote:

4) If you agree that the damage to the WTC 1 and 2 was fairly substantial then why was the damage at the pentagon so inconsistant to this?

Mr I wrote:

Completely different building and completely different circumstances. Irrelevant

---------Not at all, the hole in the WTC 1 and 2 caused by the explosions on impact was huge in comparison to that at the pentagon. And why are there no actual pictures of an aeropland hitting this building. It was also a bit of a coincidence that the pentagon was struck on the only side that was getting refurbished don't you think?

Jonny wrote:

5) Accordingto the BBC 10 of the 22 hijakkers have been found alive.

Mr I wrote:

Not quite the full story now is it. Some of the identities that had been believed to have been hijackers turned out to be travelling on falsified documents. Thus the people who they believed had been killed turned up alive and well. Every heard of forgeries?

-------Well if this is the case then how can the terrorists be linked to Osama Bin Laden? He denied involvement and what you are saying is that we basically don't know who the people were who carried out the attack.

Jonny wrote:

6) How can one of the hijakkers passport survive the raging fire and collapse of WTC 1 and be found in the rubble?

Mr I wrote:

Oh FFS! Fires do not burn uniformly, they have various hot spots and other not so hot spots. It was clearly in an area where it survived the blast and much of the heat. It could simply have been inside a metal briefcase for example. I guess the black box survived too, was that supplied by the CIA ?

--------So after a huge explosion on impact, apparantly raging fires and dust everywhere the FBI found one of the hijakkers passports totally unaffected?

Jonny wrote:

7) After the first attack why wasn't Bush moved to a secure location quickly?

Mr I wrote:

[He was visiting a school many hundreds of miles away.

This is getting very silly

-------But how was Bush supposed to know the specific area's of the USA that were being attacked? Surely he would have been prime target...?

There are so many aspects of the official story that have been disputed by so many people that I find the whole explanation of events hard to believe. Obviously you think it is quite feasable for massive buildings to completely fall down to dust in less than 10 seconds but I have serious doubts. I think it reached the point ages ago where no one can be arsed to discuss it so I'll shut fuck up on the whole issue.

As for boy bands, I wasn't really a fan but an ex girlfriend did phone the Take That trauma line when they split, they only had one decent fucking song.

PS - I quite like my aviator, is that the work of Mr I...?

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