Sounds like it to me. If you look back at his previous posts on the subject you can see he is an utter moron.

Nice try

Our Kev is wide awake

How about changing your post from….. ‘is an utter moron’ ….to ….‘has a different opinion’.

Fucking class that Leggie, The dozy twat is now famous, For all the wrong reasons.

The link to Leggies post/Video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3XzOHQgJk

Are you related to the Winter Brothers and the gag offended you!!
Cheers for the compliment by the way.
Enjoy the rest of your day matey.

Kev, you’ve been criticised by someone who makes just over one post a month.

Part time worky ticket.
Hope the butchers shop gets back to normal at not to much expense.
Used to get some quality pork pies n savaloys when I lived in that area.

That is amazing.

I keep repeating it

That scunner should look on the bright side. If he hadn't been pissed it would have hurt a lot more.

Me too- it's brilliant when he gets hit square on , in the Jacobs. Clearly a class act in that tracky- will have hopefully felt the full force of that boulder

The fella who murdered the kids was born and bred in the U.K., check your facts before making rash statements, like the protesters they assumed wrongly he was an asylum seeker. The Police released his name to show he wasn’t an asylum seeker to try and calm things down.

I saw a comment on the BBC on Monday night (which they then subsequently removed) saying the 17 year old was born in Cardiff. I don't know if this guy is the same person but if he was then the info that he was not an immigrant was available quite early on.

Born to Rwandan parents though, who where migrants.

Sometime it shocks me to read here now. Have a lot of people forgotten about Terence Carney from Hartlepool the other year. It's happened to one of our own already already.

That info has been available from the very beginning, as well as the murdered girls parents asking people not to use their deaths as an excuse to do what they're doing.
What happened in town the other night had nothing do with protesting, it was knuckle dragging morons having a bit of fun. Don't anyone think there was so e sort of political reasoning behind it.
I'm no stranger to violent disorder, going home and away with pools in the eighties, I've been round the arcades a few times, I'm not daft. I recognise this for what it was.
I like the irony that the mosque in town and the community centre in Murray Street have put more back into the town than these half wits even realise. Yeah, rock on.

The family came here as refugees from Rwanda when that country went crazy on the bloodletting stakes during the basically tribal civil war.
As most refugees went over the border to refuge where, that family higher ups in the country’s government end up here….?

He's still immigrant related and his parents are from Africa. He's the same. Not Welsh.
Obviously these deaths don't bother you.
So if he's not asylum just immigrant that's OK?

It's down to shit PMs that this last year is just the beginning of this lot killing us while we pay them £8 million quid a day.
What town next.

a case of two wrongs not making a right. both are a set of arseholes possibly following someone with the biggest gob or pose more threatening. over the last few years everyone knows there has been two tier policing and its hard to expect otherwise as those at the top are far left.

I'm against the protesters turning violent.
OK.

I didn't miss the point, I didn't think you had one, as I said, absolute bollocks mate.

My take is this on the whole thing. After serving in Iraq and Afghanistan for UK Governments.
Muslim can protest over Israel and Gaza in central London for months and get away with it. Even though nothing to do with the UK. Fuck off to Israel to protest, you wankers.
Eastern European can riot in Leeds the other week, the police don't do anything. Evette Cooper says, it's their right to do it and they feel upset about the kids being taken into social care.
Migrants come here illegally and get a 5* hotel, £300 cash minimum, see a dentist and Doctor straight away. Plus can kill British Citizens and work for Just East & Deliveroo. Get a freedom to do whatever there want.

British Citizens kids get killed and stabbed in Southport on Monday, during the six week holiday. Riot on Wednesday, get told we are thugs and all should be ashamed of ourselves. When someone has paid thousands of pounds in N.I and Tax, to CAN'T SEE A DENTIST, CAN'T SEE A GP, LOSES THEIR JOB OVER COVID AND GETS TOLD YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU HAVE £200 SAVING OR SOMETHING.

I know this 17 year was born in South Wales, but his parents are fucking from Rwanda from the 90's when they had all the civil war going on. He could be Far Right Christian, we do get them?

The EDL got told their Far right and the police arrested them for protesting in London. English, British Citizens don't have any rights here anymore. British people are 10th rated citizens behind something.

I personally think British people are pissed off with years and years of crap, including lockdowns and like a Volcano, the eruption is happening.

i,d like a little guess now that if anyone asked this bloke i doubt he,d say he was english even if born here especially being male. if england play pakistan at cricket the biggest majority will support the team there ansestors are from. my lad had loads of mixed race kids at school with him and although its a bit of a generalation the lads thought of themselves as black whilst the lasses white and via make up did everything in their power to look like that.

the EDL do not exist anymore but the media refuse to accept this. english riot and they are either thugs or far right. those they protest and riot against i suppose are classed as middle of the road citezans who we should all look up to and copy.

My great grandparents on my dad's side were Irish and came over to help build the railways. How many generations before I become English? Just asking.

It's up to you.

I've worked with a lot of South Londoners and East Londoner all born raised in London, a long with their parents and some grandparents. They hold British Passports, paid into the system all their careers, but when they talk about going home, it's Jamaica, Caribbean, Kenya and Niagara, India, Pakistan etc etc.. They don't see themselves as British. That's they choice though.

Doing my family tree you find things aren’t as permanent as you think.
Admittedly the travelling about was in the UK apart from the Danish connection
Go back four generation and it’s Scotland Wales and English…no Welsh
But after four generations in the town’s of Hartlepool and West you know what you are.

Wonder what he told the wife when he got home…..probably tell his mates he was ‘wounded in action’ when swamped by 40 coppers who he scattered…till they see the live action.

Exactly the same as you Snowy my Grandparents are Irish & Scotish but I am 100% English.
People do come to this country and make a difference as my family did. The bellends who intended to attack the Nasir Mosque in Brougham terrace didnt give a toss that the people there are made up of surgeons, doctors and lots of other essential workers.
In recent years volunteers at the site have "cooked and served almost 30,000 meals to food banks and charities of Hartlepool ".

Here we go.. Migrant Facts.

If people come to the UK and apply for asylum, they are given some accommodation while their case is being assessed (flat, house, hostel or bed & breakfast) I assume you would rather they are not sleeping on the streets? They are given £7 per day to live on. They are not allowed to work while the asylum claim is being assessed.

If their case is assessed and they are rejected asylum, then they need to leave the country asap.

If their case is assessed and they are granted asylum, then their accommodation and £7 per day allowance is removed within 28 days.

In 2023, 29,437 people arrived in the UK by small boat, around 90% of them subsequently applied for asylum.

The backlog of assessing claims is ridiculous. Since 2021, 90% of those who crossed the channel claimed asylum in the UK, but only 25% of people had received a decision. Cuts in funding and numbers of the Claims assessors by the Tories have contributed significantly to this backlog, the more cynical would think that they did this to make it more of a problem, so they can come across with the Rwanda scheme which they thought would be a surefire vote winner with their key voter base. (they were wrong, it moved them towards Reform).

The way to reduce this is to speed up the asylum assessment timelines and rigorously apply the criteria for who can and who can't be accepted.
Also need to provide a safe and legal route for people to apply. Currently you can only apply for asylum if you are already in the UK, but if you apply for a Visa to come to the UK and they suspect you are doing so in order to claim asylum, then they will refuse the Visa, or will cancel it if it's already been approved. So the only way to do it is to come across in a way that is off-the-books, and then claim when they are here.

So until there is an ability for people to claim asylum in the UK before arriving in the country illegally (such as a processing centre based in France, which has been offered by the French government, but refused by the UK government), then small boat or smuggling in lorries are their only option.

The UK has much fewer asylum applications than the average country in Europe. In 2022, there were around 13 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 22 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. The UK was therefore below the average among EU countries for asylum applications per head of population, ranking 19th out of 28 on this measure.

Protests.

Peaceful protests are legal, nobody gets arrested for peaceful protesting as long as they aren't committing a hate crime.

Riots are illegal, people causing criminal damage or assaulting others, and especially those attacking the police, should be arrested. Regardless of their reason for the riot and regardless of their background, nationality, or nationality of their distant ancestors.

Having people doing Nazi salutes in protests at the Cenotaph indicates that the mob that protested in London were not just people who wanted to express outrage at the atrocity in Southport, but part of a dangerous far-right group who are trying to reintroduce ideas that our grandparents fought against in WWII.

Finally. If someone is born in Britain, they are British. Regardless of where their parents were born, regardless of what their family tree says going back to the 19th century. If they are born, raised and educated in Britain, and they turn out to be as evil as this guy (and others including Lucy Letby), then this can't be blamed on another country.

Attacking mosques because a person born in Wales to a christian family is just ignorant racism. Did people attack churches when Lucy Letby was found guilty, or Thomas Hamilton committed his crime in Dunblane?

I live in Scotland, and pretty much every American that I meet that has come over for holiday classes themselves as "Scottish", as a distant ancestor emigrated from Scotland to America hundreds of years ago. It doesn't make them any less American, but they are proud of a distant heritage. Same with people in the UK who can trace their ancestry back to other countries.

Anyway, Max Storey has gone to Blyth in a season long loan. Surprised by this as I thought he would come good this season. Although he will still be training with us, and there is a recall clause.

First of all thanks for taking the trouble to throw a few facts for us to peruse.
I would look favourably at processing applications in France as long as the French aren't making decisions on our behalf and that the exercise is controlled and manned 100% by Us.
As for the stats showing us to have fewer applications that the average in Europe, that doesn't mean a thing to me. We should have a number of asylums we are prepared to grant each year which is determined by us, processed by us and the decision on who to take or rejected controlled solely by us. What happens in the rest of Europe is up to them. It is their problem within their own confines and they should be left to deal with it as they see fit. No one should have any right to illegally invade our shores and therefore should be subjected to being returned from whence they came. On top of that the fact that they are entering our country illegally should negate any rights of entry and/or consideration for asylum and be immediately sent back.
We have been pussy footing around for too long and it's time to be tough.
As citizens we are entitled to close and lock our doors and defend that right avidly. That general idea should be extended to our borders and only be changed by consent and certainly not by illegal entry.

Some irony in Tommy Robinson now seeking Asylum abroad.

But how do you suggest they come here legally? As McAtee has said there are no or very few 'safe and legal routes'. The having a set number of asylum spaces a year also doesn't work. If a country we have a colonial history with, e.g. they speak english and are majority christian, has a civil war/genocide and the people there have family who live in the UK and want to escape what's going on and feel they would be safest and most comfortable with their family in a culture (christian, english speaking) which is similar to theirs. Should we just say 'sorry no room at the inn enjoy probably dying in your home country'? As a country we are (or should be) able and willing to help those less fortunate, as long as their claim for asylum is genuine. There's a reason so many people would feel safest in the UK and it's because of our colonial past and the fact english is a global language.
As for the processing happening in France being our own people, this would 100% be the case. Border guards for the eurostar and ferries are English if in france and french if in the UK.

Absolutely, the applications could be made from outside the UK, but the processing and decision making would be performed by UK officials.



My point here was to show that it's not like every Asylum seeker is aiming to come to the UK. We are receiving a lower number of applicants than other countries. Given that English is one of the most commonly spoken languages in the world, many people seeking asylum would be more likely to have a grasp of that language rather than French or German for example, and therefore be able to settle quicker, which would make it a better option for them. But it doesn't result in much higher figures.



As above, as there is currently no safe and legal route to enter the UK in order to seek asylum, and you can't apply for asylum until you're in the UK, then denying all applications from people who enter illegally would mean that there would be zero approved cases. Once a safe & legal route is set up, then I agree, coming over illegally should count against them, as they obviously thought that they would be rejected through the official route for some reason. But this can only happen once the Safe & legal routes are established.

Yes Derwent you make very goods points. The whole thing is totally out of hand and it needs stopping BEFORE being restarted with a controllable system not a free for all.

Spot on.
Good to see you ain't been called a racist or moron yet!!!

My Thai partner applied and was granted a 6 month U.K.Visitor Visa, it took 2 weeks, 12 page online document to complete with her back ground and details of her parents even though both have passed away, a trip to Bangkok for biometric finger print, photo and supporting documentation as well, all in all about 20 documents.
Why does it take so long to process an asylum seekers claim, yes iI understand it might be a bit more complex.

There are some things that need saying and there are some things that desperately need doing and whilst the message from Mr Z is obviously emotional are there any of us prepared to say he has got it wrong.
Most people say that we are being too lenient and that we should look after our own first and basically that is what Mr Z is saying and he is not on his own. Before anybody dives in and criticises hia stance just think that it is an ever growing one and people are fed up of what is happening and yes it is a breeding ground for fanatics to exploit but when ordinary folk start getting pissed off maybe it's time to look at what's happening from another angle.
After being told my dental practise no longer caters for NHS patients and am now sick of trying to find somewhere else to look after me I have reluctantly bitten the bullet and signed up a private deal.
Just using the bare facts, that an illegal invader can get dental treatment provided by the state but I can't is starting to make me scratch my head a bit.

Legal, controlled migration is acceptable.

Processing them in France is a joke.
The ‘illegals’ come by dinghy because they can’t get in through normal channels, so that won’t stop them …unless of course we have a load of sympathetic civil servants waving them through.
But the ones refused will just go along the beach to ‘Dinghy Express.’

Labour are going to process the backlog quickly they say, so expect an amnesty and everyone being allowed to stay.
Not quite what the gullible voters anticipated.

Are you Keir Starmer?

Snowy I suggest you read what McAtee put above. There aren't 'normal channels' you have to be in the UK to claim asylum, your visa will not be approved to enter the UK if you are suspected of trying to enter to claim asylum no matter the strength of your claim.
Yes some people game the system but you can't persecute everyone based on a minority.
I suggest you wait and see how Labour will process the backlog (a Tory underfunding creation) rather than suggesting they'll all be waved through.

Hopefully that’s not going to happen as all it will do is encourage more to come.

3 cracking posts full of FACTS there McTee.

Most are coming from France where they are safe and not persecuted so they can not be classed as asylum seekers. They are economic migrants and they should apply for visas in France to come to the UK in the normal way. Meanwhile they're safe in France aren't they?

Thank you Mr Derwent.

Forgot to add at the bottom.

Give it a month or so and things will calm down and go back to normal. The same as the Mark Duggan riots. As soon as everyone has their anger out of their system, it will be forgotten about. As the pain will fade with the next big news story.

To anyone who serves or served, you got to question what was the point in any conflict, in losing your pals and friends.

I've seen it from both sides, we were hated in Iraq and Afghanistan, dealing with our own riots and personal fights. Then fast forward, now the UK are the saviour to some of these countries and people. However, fought us 20 years ago.
I don't mind migration to the UK if they do it correctly. Go to the nearest Embassy and claim Asylum there. There are plenty of British Embassy around the world.

Rant Over