we need a vote of no confidence on these absolute shit show jokers !

who on earth voted for a party worse than what the tories where playing at - countries brain dead

So she's spent about £9bn on public sector pay rises, about £9bn on the quango that will be Great British Energy, and about £8bn on another quango which will be the National Wealth Fund but complains of a £20bn black hole left by the Torys. And to help pay for her mates to sit on these quangos she's putting some pensioners beneath the poverty line? Back in the day the Northern based MPs would be up in arms and rebelling but as most of them have never lived up here or experienced even the slightest hardship they'll just crack on.

we need a vote of no confidence on these absolute shit show jokers !

who on earth voted for a party worse than what the tories where playing at - countries brain dead

Do you think Starmer would be PM now if they’d announced the scrapping of the fuel allowance before the Election…?

The problem with the major political Party’s are the politicians in general are all made in the same mould.
They’re liberal minded middle class politicians with a degree who’ve lead comfy lifestyles out of touch with the working class and frankly have no time for the average person, they inhabit another world and along with the MSM and Uni’s are producing a world of idealism that has little time for the majority.
Whereas the majority of us went to the University of life, the school of hard knocks and the Prinary school of having the intellectual shit kicked out of you …..all the major Party’s take us for fools and anyone who can’t see it is part of the problem.

We now have the most working class cabinet there has ever been.

If we have any aspiration at all to turn the country round and start improving services we have to raise money somehow.

This final sentence and your use of the word ‘we’ tells me you’re just another party hack trying to sprinkle glitter on a turd.

The cut off threshold for receiving the allowance is £11300 pa ffs! Imagine being on that level of income then having the extra £300 on top taken away from you.
Nobody's saying every pensioner needs it, but many do. £11300 by the way is just over a third of the UK average salary. There should be a higher threshold which would have been fairer. They're saving about £1bn they reckon with this move. Meanwhile the boat arrivals get fixed up with 4 or 5 star bed and board, no bills, and pocket money at no cost to them but what cost to the economy.
We should be looking after the most vulnerable in our society not lowering their standards of living to satisfy this liberalism that is taking over the UK.
Our pensioners by the way have already paid their dues.
I look forward to the £400 per year reduction the Labour Party are going to provide as they drive blindly towards net zero. Even if it did happen it'll be wiped out by green taxes on motorists and transport.

We had one at our place, refused to work more than a certain number of hours otherwise his benefits would be cut.
Eventually left to move to Scotland where the benefits were more generous apparently so needs to work fewer hours now.

of course it is.
Wonder what our local MP thinks of the Winter Fuel Allowance cut…… or hasn’t he been told what he thinks yet……….nodding dog or local MP…?

Talking of boat people has the illegal invasion suddenly stopped?
Hardly any mention on the BBC about that "problem" anymore. Cost of living crisis seems to have gone away as well. We have new jargon like "what we have inherited", and "the black hole in our finances".
A black hole is going to appear in my finances after herself took two hundred quid out of my back pocket.
If I have to start tightening my belt and look at cost cutting, high on the agenda will be my contribution to the Labour party, and I won't be the only one if the mutterings already amongst the membership are anything to go by.
She is now saying she is going to have to raise taxes in the Autumn because of this inheritance. Now there's a surprise.This lot are beginning to make Bojo look the epitome of angelic honesty. He took bullshit to a new level but records are there to be broken, as are promises. Just ask Snitch and Snatch as a mate of mine called Starmer and Reeves.

I mean statistically and factually it is the most working class cabinet we’ve ever had but okay. Also the highest proportion of state school educated ministers there has ever been.
My mam grew up in Port Clarence but was very proud of me being the first in my family to go to uni, many years ago. Sneering about being university educated is cool.

I'd welcome Tommy Robinson to our Reform party with open arms.
It's still not to late to get our Country back and run like the rest of the world.
Some mite disagree.
No probs.

It’s what I do…….

PS ….There ain’t gonna be no war, so the guff about putting taxes up for defence which Starmer has stated won’t be 2.5% anyway… and won’t spend anyway on defence …is for the Pixies down the garden.

does anyone actually think the bbc would have made a big thing about the dinghy divers in the first place if that far right fascist farage had not gone down there to report on it and all the secrecy that seemed to be around it and the accomodation they are in when he and others tried to report on that.

I would disagree, he has an offence sheet longer than my arm and another one who loves his on line following. All extremists have an element of truth in what they say but they all offer easy answers that usually duck everyone up

The problem with the major political Party’s are the politicians in general are all made in the same mould.
They’re liberal minded middle class politicians with a degree who’ve lead comfy lifestyles out of touch with the working class and frankly have no time for the average person, they inhabit another world and along with the MSM and Uni’s are producing a world of idealism that has little time for the majority.
Whereas the majority of us went to the University of life, the school of hard knocks and the Prinary school of having the intellectual shit kicked out of you …..all the major Party’s take us for fools and anyone who can’t see it is part of the problem.

I think he would but not by the large majority he received, a few of the younger generation don’t get why there is a Winter Fuel Allowance payment, it might have stopped some Conservatives voting for other parties though.

The winter fuel allowance is a joke to be honest. The number of well off pensioners receiving it is ridiculous! People who can well afford to pay bills getting £200 - why?
People say this hits the poorest in society? No, the poorest in society are the only ones who will still receive this!
A much better way to deal with fuel costs is to lower bills - that has to be the main focus, which it seems to be. You can either give everyone £200-£300 every year, including as I mention people who don’t need it, or you lower bills by say £400/year. The second option is clearly much more sensible.
And I don’t think anyone should get riled about the rich not being targeted. They are without doubt going to be hit with capital gains and wealth taxes in October.
If we have any aspiration at all to turn the country round and start improving services we have to raise money somehow.

Which probably explains your viewpoint, detached from reality.
As for Uni, take it up with Tony, another of his daft ideas that got out of hand.
I went to an humble Technical College for five years, which in Britain is looked down upon ….unlike In Germany and France.
It’s tha Labour Party, but not as we knew it.

And more than a few are "Old Etonians" and we all know what that means, Or should.
Boris was a Prime example as was Cameron.

There are those in this world who branded Nelson Mandela far more dangerous than Tommy Robinson and he ended up as the big man.
They say that when the populist element fails the extremist element comes to the fore. The only ponderable is will it be left or right.

no he is correct when you look at the saga lot spending thousands on the floating prisons in winter. its just the same as there are many families also that do not need child allowance but they still get it. a fairer system would be to means test both benefits and give it to those who actually need it. a few coppers either way for pensioners who get it or not isn,t going to get whats basically a fiver a week back. labour seem to have as issue with the old and would have been shouting from the mountain tops if they had kept this benefit if pensioners did not get the large state pension rise they did this year.

You really are the world’s greatest critic but this forum wouldn’t be the same without you, so peace and love.

mind you since the end of separate development in south africa you could say he did more harm for the country s a whole than tommy robinson has done for ours. their country is a bloody mess and all the mandela followers got out of it was a vote to put the country into ruin and the ones who could run it moving out of it as quickly as they could.

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Is he hell correct. The winter allowance is part of a pensioners established income through custom and practice. Taking it away is reducing a pensioners income. So the first question is why the pensioners and an answer appears to be because some of them don't need it. That is a dangerous precedent to set. There are countless numbers of incomes in this country to which a well you don't need it or can afford not to have it can be attached.
A more thought out, fairer and well balanced way of raising £1.5 billion surely could have been found.
Once we let a notion of well they can afford it or don't need it run riot where are we going.
What's next, do we look at each and every person or household and remove and/or tax what it is deemed not needed. That is the ultimate possible result of that policy.
It is already being muted that we are going to have policies to drive us out of our cars.
Yes there are plenty of pensioners who don't need it, just like there are plenty of others who could afford to pay £200 a year more in tax.
If we are to be told we have a burden then let those who are able share that burden and stop loading one group to carry the lot.
Very shortly the state pension will overtake the tax threshold and pensioners who currently don't pay tax will be in the net.
What is more important and more frightening is we are being softened up for further cuts and taxes.
Pensioners in future winters will be house sharing during the day because they wont be able to afford individual heating bills.
They are already going to day centres or, in some cases, staying in bed in the winter months.
Remember most will end up elderly and then it's your turn.

its not taking away the fuel allowance thats the problem its the cost of gas and electric with the standing charge theft which is the problem. we know profits have to be made but there are profits and profits and if the pensioners bills and the rest were reduced by the same amount as the allowance they,d be no worse off but plenty of others would be better off. take off the green taxes as well unless the country votes for these green policies as i,m sure it wouldn,t.

Well Iv'e just emailed Jonathan Brash to let him know exactly what I think of the back stabbing Bastards.
If you want to vent your spleen here's his email address.

Jonathan.brash.mp@parliament.uk

Go give them hell!!!!

He jumped ship as a Councillor under the Akers Belcher Circus…returns when the left…or had he hone out and lost his way
I expect no answer.

He didn’t jump ship he was forced out along with a few other councillors, the Belchers and their comrades said do as we say or go.

Mr Snowy, which party did you stand for? Or did you represent? Or which parties did you stand for? Or which parties did you represent? I ask given your immense knowledge and understanding of all things significant - and because Poolie 27 asked me.