Saying everything is rosy and bulling up average signings isnt being a winner though.

I don’t recall me saying that, I’m a suck it and see person..
IM not gonna criticise the plane till Insee it fly, it might be shite it might be a winner, proof of the puddings in the eating.
Raj got Challinor right …maybe he might have got it right in the manager lottery again, maybe not, I’ll keep my power dry for now.

I would've thought that those constantly criticising the club would be better finding another club to support rather than telling others to do so. Is it not depressing and tiring finding negatives in everything they do?

Even if the doomsters are right the newly arrived bang average players should be an improvement on the distinctly below average players that we've got shot of.
The gap between us and play offs wasn't massive so maybe these bang average players will make the difference?
Haven't noticed anyone "bigging up" the signings, although our signings look to have more experience at this level and above than say Barnets signings.
We won't know how good they are till we see them perform in competitive games though.

Let's all be realistic.
Our views have zero effect on what happens on the green turf.
It's just non pub banter.
You only get offended if ya weak minded.
I admit I'm a scitzo sycopath lunatic.

Speaking as your psychiatrist, I’d say 50% ‘ skid row cycle path loon in the attic’…the other 50% is being analysed at NASA.

Fans hitting out at others wanting the club to be better, is just as bad as telling them to fibd another club. When we get positives then we will say yeah well thats a positive until we get them then whats the point its basically conning yourself. The only positives so far are mancini and dodds, but its also realistic to point out they probobly wont be the same or even be in the team for a while yet.Dodds certainly. We have signed 3 players many will see that as a positive personally im the view were a football club signing players is basically what happens. We have signed 3 very average players, they may turn out to be brilliant signings though, or better than the shite from last season, the chances are they should be.

Thing is we keep hearing its unrealistic to sign certain types of players. Nobody in their right mind expects us to sign top quality at the minute, but their is still zero reason why we cant sign the best players for the national league or at least compete to sign them. We are a million miles away from getting players that are some of the best for this league though.

No one can deny we are miles away still from being ready for next season squad wise, infact at the minute unless dodds and mancini come back all guns blazing we are probobly slughtly weaker than what we finished the season.

Im not saying you did say that, but their are some who do that.

Raj didn't go because going without a buyer to take over would have probably meant the demise of the club. He could have just walked away and we would have been in the lap of the Gods, similarly to what happened at Darlo. They have recovered but nowhere near where they would like to be.
So he decided to put the club up for sale and if you want to say that it was just to get the fans off his back, I won't argue. It doesn't matter what the reason was but what does matter is where does it leave us, as the so called intention hasn't worked and people are still on his back.
So let's assume that people on his back annoy and maybe even hurt him.
He says he will keep the club ticking over until a suitable buyer (in his eyes) turns up. That is his absolute right.
That is where we are but the big unanswered question is will the mood against him get worse or better.
If it gets worse will he say enough is enough and kill us off and if it gets better will people lay off him.
My personal choice would be lay off the criticism of both him and the club and see what this new regime brings. I take that stance because I don't believe I have the right to gamble and risk the club's demise.
Others are free to disagree and keep up their pressure on him to go but must be prepared for the worse to happen.
This is serious and there is a danger that the outcome will produce no winners just losers. Raj loses, the club loses and we lose.
Are we prepared to risk in the hope that we'll get a positive result or do we fall on the side of caution, at least for the time being.

To say “Very average players” is an insult, Don,t recall their clubs chasing them.
1 of them was offered a contract by a very experinced manager, 1 was still under contract, 1 turned down a contract, 2 of the clubs finished above us and the other 5pts below us.
I could be wrong though.

Well said can,t argue with that.

I apologise if thats an insult, its how i feel very average. Fylde spent all season in the relegation zone. The Halifax lad will find it hard to displace Featherstone who has been picked by every manager we have had, whether we like that or not. Oldham might have wanted to keep the other lad but they feel to get promoted they want better or thats the general consensus. I Hazard a guess the bookies wont have us in the top few teams this season signing what we have signed so far, thats not to say they wont improve us. Letsbe brutal here most of our team was very average last season was it not i dont think thats an insult?

I agree with a lot of that no one has asked him to walk away he was offered money and decided to stay, so he is still open to criticism whether he likes it or not. Start treating us like a decent sized club for this league and fans will get off his back. Keep taking the piss out of us and we will keep at him. We could say he is charging top prices and providing very little still, change our minds raj then go out and get us a team or help provide that , even just getting the buzz back in the fans would be a start, its been flat as a fart recently. Even this summer we have had a chance to turn fans opinions round, get some sort of spark back, excitement going. Its been very lacklustre. Still a few weeks to change that but its been very flat has it not? Lets be right here though thats not all rajs fault this season though. The manager has been like a mute.

Some of our best players over the years have been average cast offs by other clubs, I refuse to bracket players because of that…why not see how they develop before throwing them overboard…….a bit of faith beats day one negativity….if they’re crap I’ll throw the brickbats alongside you but I can’t accentuate the negative or promote the positive either because I have to see them play.

Regarding last season i think average is being kind.

Can,t have it always can we, Need season tickets to go through the roof.

No matter how bad sales are we will still be 3rd or 4th biggest sellers in season tickets. No excuses for a poor season this season.

If Raj thinks he is being abused then he is being abused, no matter how any of us see it.
He has got all of the ball and appears to not favour criticism very much.
By all means criticize but be it in the knowledge how he could react.
I would rather bite my tongue than risk losing the club and, like it or not, how he sees it is of paramount importance. People either can't see that or won't see it.
My three wishes (hopes)
1. He can find a buyer
2. That the buyer is an improvement and genuine.
3. We move forward at a sustainable rate.
That is my preferred sensible approach.

So they sign Reagan Ogle????

I take the point but there is a difference between criticism and abuse, and if we can’t do the former as we get worse each season because we are afraid the owner will liquidate us then I would argue the club is already lost

Fair assessment. Thankfully I'm not the only bunkerite with this condition.

Right that's it folks, you can only comment on stuff that you can affect. Even if it means 99% of posts are not actually permitted. Thems the rules...... apparently.

I can't believe the same old people are making the same old spin on some 'alrightish' transfer business.

As satisfying as it was, I don't wish to see the humilatiion of those that brutally scorned the doubtful few. I don't think there are signs that we are any more prepared for a promotion push than previous years but I do hope we have a magnificent season and will gladly soak up all the 'told you sons you can throw at me. Nothing will ruin my mood if Pools do well.

Mr Loyal.
There is a difference to you but it is not you who owns the club.
If Raj decides he is being attacked then he is being attacked. The only way open to us to prevent him taking that stand is to let him get on with it until someone comes along and persuades him to part with ownership of the club.
Until then he is keeping it ticking over.
The club just ticking over is not what anybody wants but if it means stopping liquidation then I have no choice other than to go along with it.
But I am glad you are seeing what might happen. The trick is don't allow ourselves to be dragged into making it happen.
It is serious this.

Don't talk nonsense.
You can criticise as much as you like and have been doing so ad infinitum.
What you have to consider is what might happen if Raj pulls the plug.
It's no good ignoring it when it is staring us in the face.
No one is being scorned,
The scorn is being generated by you and your chosen few and it is being directed at the very heart of the club. You think it can't happen but it surely can.
You just can't accept that Raj has the power to pull the plug at any time.
Your ego and falsely directed bravado is overpowering your common sense.
We have got the club ticking over until someone comes along to change that or Raj has a change of mind.

We have to keep the fort standing until the cavalry arrive. Daring to burn it down is not the clever answer.

Some thought the consortium was the cavalry but at the first sign of resistance they backed off and were last seen heading into the sunset.

We all hope for a magnificent season so why not ease off judging the emerging squad until we have a chance to get behind them and help make it happen.
Writing it off before a ball is kicked does nothing to help...nothing.

AKnow those bloody "old people” youd think they had seen it all before.

Why on earth would raj pull the plug i thought he was a saint the way he has been defended. He is a businessman unless he wants to throw money down the drain he will eventually sell to someone.

So why not pipe down until he does, what do you actually get from constant bashing of raj and the club. You're the only one referring to him as a saint. He's as much a saint as you are and I have it on good authority from a guy called peter that you're persona non grata. He said he didn't accomodate whingers. So if Raj is a saint you'll be pleased to know you won't be joining him in Paradise. That will be music to a lot of ears.
Consolation is Impy will be joining you.

You’re being silly now, you can say just what you want.
It’s all about different opinions and everyone’s allowed one.
I don’t get this where someone states something and someone throws everything up in the air and declares it can’t be discussed, nonsense.
If someone tells me I can’t discuss something, my attitude would be ‘fuck right off’ and I’d do it even if I didn’t want to do it just because someone said I can’t do it.

There you go again Derwent. Throwing around accusations of club bashing. Raj is not HUFC. Neither are the pool of people he employs along with their very diverse levels of competency.

Exactly but you always know when Impy has nothing original to say he comes out with that old tripe. He is in the same company as Jamie. He's another one who uses the same line.
They must be right loons to live with. Proper Job's comforters.

The same line?

Shhhh don't talk trash about Raj on the bunker, he might read it and get very very cross. Just pretend that everything is awesome, any signings are world beaters and next season is THE one.

Aye, just like you throwing round accusations of not being allowed an opinion.
The only difference is I'm right and you are allowed to voice your opinion, even though you are prepared to lie that you are not allowed that opinion. So you're talking shite as per usual.. If you're not happy with describing your club bashing as club bashing, give it another name, it won't make any difference, it's club bashing whatever you call it.
Who said Raj was HUFC or any of his employees. Imagining things again are we.
The fact is Raj is not HUFC but he does own the club and as the owner he runs it as he sees fit and employs whoever he likes. When you own it you can do the same.
Go and talk to him face to face and give him the benefit of your vast experience of running a football club instead of hiding behind a keyboard.
Let us know how you get on.

The hard fact is you can dish it out but you can't take it when you are criticised and you make up loads of accusations to try and prevent it, even to the point of telling lies about me and others, as you are currently doing.
You know perfectly well your opinion is not denied you so why lie about it.

More lies, my stance is I'm giving the new regime a chance and, as I have done for years and years, will judge them on what I see, not on what doom mongers like you forecast.
I even gave Hartley that chance.
As for Raj talk about him as much as you like and if he gets very very cross that's up to him. Even make up lies about him as you are pathetically trying to do to me as I don't pretend everything is awesome, or that any signings are World beaters and I'd like next season to be a successful one but I've hoped for that every season since 1952, so there's not much chance of changing that, even to satisfy your lies.
Crack on with your lies and fantasies if it makes you happy.

Surely Raj stepping back from footballing matters, the new manager, the new players coming in, the kids starting to come through from the academy, the burst of new sponsors wanting to be involved, the setting up of a fans panel (although it's not actually been formed yet), are all potentially steps in the right direction? Hopefully the potential can be realised on the pitch and we can have a good season.

Now come on PTID,STOP talking sense or you will upset the downtrodden, And then how are they going to wallow in self pity.
Its obvious you have a life.

gotcha

When we stop being a joke on and off the field, that's when steps have been made.

Be honest the only thing you would view as positive is the ousting of Raj - even if it meant administration and relegation.
To dismiss every effort the club makes is just beyond comprehension and defies all logic.

Flogging a dead horse PTID.

No it's nothing personal. He presided over the shit show, the buck stops with him. He gets the flack.if he masterminds a turnaround he gets the praise
Its simple and would be the same for any presiding person not just Raj. However, You DID bring Ra back into it not me. Leads me to believe it's personal for you not me. I feel your need to defend Raj ( and you have done so quite desperately) is more important to you than HUFC just simply ceasing to be embarrassing.

Yes I mentioned Raj but not defending him desperately in any way, but as usual you spun things your way.
Nothing personal with Raj from me, but yes I do prefer that the club continues to exist without the phoenix option. Raj will not be here for ever but hopefully HUFC and not some newborn iteration will be.
If anything is embarrassing it's someone who professes to be a Pools supporter rubbishing new signings as "bang average" before they've kicked a ball for us, in fact it's worse than embarrassing it's just ludicrous. What evidence do you have that they will be bang average for us, a crystal ball maybe? You do like to demand evidence from others on here but never offer any of your own.

While we non league there's always Gunna be a tad of criticism.
It's a bit like Man Utd City stagnating in division 2 or 3.
Its what Football fans do. Give different views.
That's why more on here slate England.

Other sports n Newspapers are available!!

There is a whole thread of people giving their opinion before a ball is kicked. Perhaps it is only happy clappy opinions allowed?

All opinions are allowed as you well know, you've been told that overtime you revert to this nonsense that they're not and that's almost daily.
All praise and criticism is allowed too, but if you think writing off new players before we've seen them kick a ball and without any substance to back it up will go without comment you're I credibly naive.

Now I like you zippy, but this talk of ‘happy clappy opinions’ only is silly, if that was the case your post claiming that were the case wouldn’t exist.
It might happen in North Korea, but come on, all views are expressed on here and you know it.

one thing i,m sure of is that the side will be better than the one who started in 2022 and better than most games last season. actually last season was a big improvement over one of pools worst ever football league sides.

Certainly hopeful, probably the best opportunity for a good few years considering the clearing of the decks from players to coaches to manager.

So I read that you've got me but you don't tell me what you've got me.
Wow I'm trying not to get excited but I thought, as it is a secret, it might be something nice to show he loves me and regrets telling lies about me........................................................
Sorry for all the dots folks but a van has just pulled up outside and written on the side in bold letters is,

IMPY AND COMPANY.
HIGH CLASS MAKERS AND SUPPLIERS OF BULLSHIT.
Supplied directly to your door by express delivery.

My finger stuck on the dot button at that point.
Hang on while I go and check it out. (Jeez what a stink, I'd better close the window first, it's red hot out there)

I'm back but I'm no further forward. The driver is talking jibberish with a sort of yokel type accent ( he did have a straw in his mouth). The bullshit he was carrying stank to high heaven and was so strong the neighbours appeared.
They gave him the old fashioned two word salute and he jumped back in the van and buggered off.
Very strange experience indeed.
Oh I forgot.
The only thing any of us could figure out was he started every sentence with " My boss Mr Whinge said" but the rest was undecipherable.
Maybe Impy can clear it up, No, not the bullshit but that's not a bad idea.
I'm going to put the bit he dropped before we could stop him on me roses, so the incident will have a productive ending.
Free fertilizer, although it wouldn't surprise me if he sent an invoice.