We need the right signings not just numbers Hartley proved that.
What's the opinions on the first 2 Hunter and Charman? Bang average or are they what we need and are they indicators of what we'll likely sign? Barnet have signed 8 players 4 are from lower Leagues and only 1 or 2 has ever played at a higher level - what would the opinions if we'd done the same?
My point is that making stuff up and implying it's fact is not helping in any way whatsoever.
Yes we'd all like to hear of more good players coming in sooner rather than later but there's still 7 weeks or so to league ko and we surely must have some deals which will be finalised in the next few days. And it wouldn't matter what Sarll says in the press, the usual suspects would spin it as negative anyway - eg making the play offs means scraping 7th place, last time I looked the play offs are 7th to 2nd place.

That's a big old rant. I get it. You can't understand (despite the masses of evidence to justify it) why people might be concerned and not getting season tickets.

Im saying myself attendances are great at pools but they will also die off with mismanagement. Crowds nationwide over last fee seasons are going througj the roof we need to keep hold of that.

Your right nothing is happening and were two weeks from playing a pre season game. Now i could be wrong but sarl like Phillips said he wanted business doing early. Like you have pointed out nothings happening. Whats the excuse this year then? So are you telling us the club is busting a gut to sell season tickets? Doing all it can to encourage people to get them.

Oh the irony of some trying to defend another pre season malaiae.

We shouldnt even be talking about play offs, we should be discussing how we win this league. One of the biggest clubs in it and were basically already before a balls kicked giving up on winning it, its embarassing. The play offs should be a last resort as its a lottery in itself winning it.

Some.ambition at this club would be lovely. Its the national bloody league not league 1.

There's barely any manager around talking about winning Leagues at any level in football it's just setting yourself up to fail.
What most talk about is being competitive and in and around the top.
Are Barnets signings ambitious?

Hardly a rant! And please don't patronise, I don't know how many STs have been sold (do you) and what masses of evidence e have you got to suggest people are not buying them. Has anyone on here even said they're not renewing?

Dont really want to point this out but Barnet were 26 points better than us last season, so already have a ready made team to be up there, yet they have still gone out and signed a load of players. I wonder why? Maybe they want to win the league? Who would you trust to get the right players in ? Barnet who did it last year or us? Who hasnt done it for quite a few year. If we had a chance now i wonder if we would swap Barnets team for ours? We more than most should be virtually bringing a new squad in, yet no. How long have we had now 3 month to get things sorted? Prepared ready to challenge to win the league? Going to be scraping the barel in the loan market once again.

The only evidence is what you pointed out yourself that we havent even announced 1000 yet. Unless they have forgot for the first time in about 30 year which is possible as you could forgive people for thinking the club has actually closed down over summer. A little pointer is the woman selling them dont even know how many has been sold. You would think the people selling them would know like, eapecially when you have a computer in front of you. Maybe we have sold that many they just lost count.

Not really, Barnets retained list showed that they had 12 players for next season. So 10 to 12 players needed. They also made good use of the much maligned loan system.
As long as we have most of the squad together for the start of pre- season what's the issue. As for 3 months to get sorted, where on earth does that come from did the last season finish in March? And Sarll and his assistant certainly weren't even in place 3 months ago.

We still don't know how many have been sold though do we, I assume we would've announced the 1000th but assumptions are not necessarily reality are they? Besides which why would there be any rush when people can still wait until June pay is in the bank and still get the Early Bird price?

if barnet were that good then why have they needed to sign 8 players already. they must have released or lost a good number then. if pools had finished second and 26 points above them i would be less happy than i am now as surely there was a base to start off with where only a few additions would be needed. are these players they have signed there to fill a bench. more players you sign then there is more of a chance more will not come off and your playing budget has gone.

I've said this multiple times to people claiming fans are boy cotting.. the lads i go with all renewing on June payday as i suspect a lot of other's are.

No rush but if we havent sold 1000 by now id say thats a little concerning. As we know sales tend to follow a pattern if your down after a few weeks you tend to be down at the end. Not everyobe is going to rock up in the last few days

I would put money on it being less than 1000 but I also reckon whatever we've sold will double by the 1st of July. I still think we will sell less than last year though but I doubt we will ever find out.

No issue but as pre season starts in about 7 days good luck in being ready.

As I have pointed out previously our attendances have remained roughly the same. It shows people may not buy STs but are still attending games. One of the reasons maybe that in the present financial climate some cannot afford to pay in one lump sum.

They havent though. We came into the football league and we average around 5000 to 5500 for first few months we have lost around 1300 fans since. Its been a steady decline. Were still getting great crowds but as season ticket sales have declined in recent years our crowds are as well.

Yet last season was our 3rd highest average attendance since 2012?

Yes it was and were still getting.great crowds. Like 99 percent of non league crowds are up everywhere, even morcambe in league 2 getting highest crowds in their history. But facts are facts since Dave Challinor left crowds have dropped by around 1300. Crikey we had 6200 for carlisle 5600 for forest green 5700 for Harrogate. 5700 for Newport on a friday 5500 for Northampton. We will now struggle to get 4500 for our first game next season.

we have not lost that number of fans as the lack of away fans have helped to cause a good percentage of that. always wonder if the club actually deserves the number of fans that turn up. many clubs after the last few seasons would see a bigger drop than what we have seen with pools.

BP cherry picking as usual. Look at the average not one offs. You have to remember we must have around 1000 fair weather supporters who only come out for certain games and to mention Carlisle is really hitting below the belt. Carlisle are always one of the biggest attendances mainly because of the away support.

So we underachieving.

By what measure?

We non league getting league crowds.
Doh!

But biggest crowds don't get points, same as biggest budgets, it's best or most effective teams.
We started last season quite well then most of the players looked like shadows of their former selves after Chesterfield, were they over achieving pre Chesterfield or under achieving post Chesterfield. More importantly is why we couldn't get consistently better performances out of more of them.

[quote="PTID"]But biggest crowds don't get points, same as biggest budgets, it's best or most effective teams.
We started last season quite well then most of the players looked like shadows of their former selves after Chesterfield, were they over achieving pre Chesterfield or under achieving post Chesterfield. More importantly is why we couldn't get consistently better performances out of more of them.[/quote]

Lack of consistency due to cheap as cheaps recruitment.
Lack of ambition.
You win I've had enough.

I'd agree poor recruitment (and length of contracts offered) has been abysmal for the last couple of seasons, cost well never know but I daresay we had better budgets and paid better wages than Gateshead and Halifax and Southend as a few examples and where did they finish?
Hopefully we see some more coming in over the next couple of weeks and we start getting the recruitment right.

I think you are wrong about Southend. Bigger crowds southern based bigger budget and bigger salaries surely

Could be wrong but I thought the chairman stopped putting money in and I thought (but I may be wrong) they were under a transfer embargo too?

So are you saying we didnt consistently get 5k under Challinor? Its not cherry picking its fact. CARLISLE was one of our biggest crowds for years cant ever remember getting 6000 plus against them not cherry picking thats fact too. They bring the same amount of fans every year. Do ypu know the average away following is around 250 to 300 that we get in the football league. What do we get now maybe 150? Not really a massive difference.

BP is right,everyone imagines league 2 team have brought great away support,barring around 3 teams,they haven’t.
Our first home game back in league 2 we have 4600 home fans,this improved to between 5000 & 5500.

Just checked official league AVERAGE league matches attendance and the past three years is the best since we last averaged over 5000 in 2006/7. Sorry I can’t print this table I’m just not IT savy.

Slowly starting to believe crowds come into it.
Could get 50000 crowds n still the club would be run like a pub team.

DONT

We do get 50,000 crowds but not all at once.

I have to say though that average crowd figures over a season give a better picture than selecting the odd games.

2006/07 was a good season for me as I attended every league game, every cup game, various reserve games and quite a few junior games. Well over sixty games in total.
Must be daft eh???

Cost a bloody fortune.

simple answer is one player compliments another and once you lose a couple out of the side other players still in the side can have a real drop off in form. thats before you mention the players who replace the injured ones being different types of player or no where as good.

think out of those fair weather fans there are many who come say once a month for different reasons. out of two exact same crowds there will be different fans attending both games. to increase gates you need em all to start attending regularly. would be interesting in a season to know how many fans we get who either go from one game to ever presents. i,d bet this number is well over 5,000.

Exactly, people place a lot on money spent and crowd size but getting it right on the field matters most. There is such a thing as good coaching and a good eye for a player.

Think England prove the point, as individuals they're worth a fortune and play fantastically for their clubs.
But the manager is an idiot, and the players are incapable of playing to the system he wants to play.
On paper they should walk to at least the semi finals steamrolling over the like of Serbia and Denmark.

Of course what goes on the field counts but look at all the leagues even down to Northern League and you can bet the top teams have the biggest budgets. Of course there will be the odd exception.

Think ya flogging a dead horse mate, You will never get some to admit you DONT need household names, Good honest pros, Who are still hungry. is whats needed.
You will get ridicule off some that have fuck all else to offer.

money only gives you an edge if you use it wisely. you can give some managers a blank cheque and they,d do a hartley.

Its certainly given man city an edge looks like they can even buy the legal system.

more they succeed the better it is for me. fans might eventually smell the coffee whre that league is concerned and wave goodbye to it and use the remote when sat in their armchairs.