possibly a few including those at blackpool actually think it was them when an owner sells up. if raj goes this afternoon i,d guess a few will think their remarks and actions have caused it. best fans can actually hope for is an owner back tracking on a clubs name or change of the traditional club colours if they all kick off about it.

It depends on how the vase is put down. If the owner smashes it whilst "putting it down" and then moves on, we've lost the owner and the vase.
Could the club be "smashed" by the owner suddenly dropping it and moving on???
If the club isn't harmed in any way then fine but the last time the owner allegedly by some "smashed the vase down" that vase (Darlo) went into oblivion and appears to be stuck there.
On the other hand if the owner lays the vase down gently without as much as a scratch, then lets get on with going. I think it's a great idea but not entirely risk free.
My club is Hartlepool United not some Phoenix outfit.
Nice and funny Snowy anecdote though.

We don't have any assets to strip. Raj is in it for the prestige and the adulation. Are you saying that he'll do something out of spite if that stops and owning the club is no longer ticking his boxes?

I'm not saying anything of the sort, and none of us know what Raj's motivation to be owner is do we?

If he is in it for the adulation he must be sincerely pissed off by the lack of it and maybe that could turn into spite if it hurt him enough.
I don't know what reaction he might arrive at but if there is a financial boycott on top of his deep hurt ( that is if he is hurt) then I wouldn't be surprised. As you and others have pointed out, he has form.

true and not all blackpool fans joined the oyston boycott and thats with them being in a worse spot than pools ar in now. really if a singh owned pools were being boycotted how many would join in the boycott for that reason only as it aint going to start if we are doing well in the league and winning at the vic. mind you in years to come those who didn,t join in would say they did if its fashionable to say that.

Singh runs Pools like a person runs a ‘normal’ business which are all about profit and loss, he isn’t prepared to make a loss running Pools, it’s on the bare bones relying on Season Ticket sales etc to balance the books with no direct income from his money.
Did he actually ‘buy’ Pools with his own money ?

That’s one question to which I could give you an opinion, but not in writing.

So again, it begs the question WHY did he buy Pools…?
I suspect most people who buy a club realise it’ll cost them money defecit wise….unless the Vic’s on an old gold mine.

Didn’t Hignett persuade Singh to buy Pools then sacked him afterwards ?

That could be why

We are nowhere near a fans' boycott at Pools and it's nonsense to pretend otherwise. If Raj had persisted with Askey for too long there would have been a lot of chanting and a few more tennis balls on the pitch after the home game where relegation to the NLN was confirmed, but that's about it.

It's nothing to Raj's credit that that's the case, more that the majority of Poolies are hopeless optimists - there's no other way to account for 4,000+ average home gates last season. Just got to hope it's not lousy timing that leaves our club in dire circumstances when he does decide he's had enough.

There are serious threats of a financial boycott of ST sales. Can't say whether that will happen but the fact that people are advocating it and making the effort to say what their intentions are it can't be brushed off....not yet anyway.

What’s a Season Ticket boycott going to achieve it gives a reason for Singh to put Pools into admin, the fans are not backing me so I won’t subsidise them.

For me it achieves nothing good. As I've said many times it can have a detrimental effect on the budget. There are those who are actually saying they are going to do it and actively encouraging others to follow suit.
Daft idea but if fans want to follow that line they can't complain if the chairman joins in, as you've suggested.

New season, new manager, new players to come in most of the confirmed dross gone, new optimism - why would the 4000 of last season stand fast through the season gone but not attend next? And if they don't buy STs but pay on the day that's more money coming in for the same attendance.

Aye a lot can happen between now and kick off.
Best wait and see.

Who is going to listen to these 'people'? Past season ticket holders - like me - will be making their own individual decisions about whether to renew or not. The price rise and the apparent quality of summer signings are important considerations. Not much else is.

No idea if any one will but the possibility is there and whereas it won't influence some people there will be some who blindly follow the idea because they think it will hit raj in the pocket, causing him to go. Or so they say.
At the end of HUST's recent statement even they mentioned it. I'm not suggesting they want to encourage a boycott but it could be interpreted like that by some people who are easily led.

I'm afraid you can't just rely on people's loyalty in football. We do have more of a hard-core than most clubs our size but there are people who just won't tolerate being fed the same crap time after time. Who can blame them? It could be the only tool we have to tell the owner that this isn't going to be a pleasant experience for him if he doesnt take his custodianship seriously and as he has no assets to strip, selling up is probably his best bet.

Now, I've heard a few people worried about upsetting Raj, scared that he'll sabotage the club out of spite. Someone who threatens to damage or destroy something that you love if you upset them is a bully, pure and simple. I'm not sure how wise it is to give in to a bully.

buying or not buying a season ticket should not be for either of those reasons. if you are a holder of one i,m sure whoever the owner or manager actually is does not come into the decision to renue it. unless someone has money to burn or are prepared to watch any old crap playing in a pools shirt it does seem obvious to me not to buy one until you have an idea of the type of player you would be watching.

No you can't rely on fan's loyalty and you certainly can't take it for granted. However openly saying things like no more money to the club until the owner is gone will get a reaction, it certainly would from me if I was the owner.
Spite is an emotion which is all so prevailant in society and it is so easy to respond to threats, like boycotts, in a spiteful manner and try to justify it with if you try to hurt me, don't be surprised if I do the same in return. In my opinion it is a tit for tat situation where there are no winners.
Can't stand bullying of any kind or any source.

I haven’t money to burn but I’ve renewed along with my friends. I appreciate everybody cannot pull out the money to buy ST or for work or location and .cannot get to every game but a ST gives you 5/6 games free almost 25%.
Do we know the type of signings, no, like all free signings you never do until you see them play. Remember the lot from Scotland at least three of them looked decent signings on paper and we all know how that turned out.

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No you can't rely on fan's loyalty and you certainly can't take it for granted. However openly saying things like no more money to the club until the owner is gone will get a reaction, it certainly would from me if I was the owner.
Spite is an emotion which is all so prevailant in society and it is so easy to respond to threats, like boycotts, in a spiteful manner and try to justify it with if you try to hurt me, don't be surprised if I do the same in return. In my opinion it is a tit for tat situation where there are no winners.
Can't stand bullying of any kind or any source.[/quote]

So what? Scared of a reaction and what that will be? We're back to being bullied again. It's not spite if you stop paying good money for dross year after year because it is run so poorly, it's that you're loyalty has took such a battering that you've had enough. It's now on the club to make a gesture to restore that. The fans have made more than their fair share of gestures.

Surely the club have made massive gesture with the retained list and the appointment of a new manager and assistant along with Sweeney leaving, pretty much a clean sweep so far.
Also, plenty have complained about Raj's running of the club. He's said he's not going to be so involved with the new boardroom appointments - isn't that a positive gesture?
The fans have done what they've always done for as long as I can remember and that's turn up to support the team. And believe me if you think the last couple of years have been bad then you've either a short memory or you're a relatively new Poolie. I believe the fans will continue to buy their STs and most will be looking forward to the new season with the usual optimism.

So what? Scared of a reaction and what that will be? We're back to being bullied again. It's not spite if you stop paying good money for dross year after year because it is run so poorly, it's that you're loyalty has took such a battering that you've had enough. It's now on the club to make a gesture to restore that. The fans have made more than their fair share of gestures.[/quote]

Just offering an opinion. I have learned through experience that taking a battering from supporting Pools is generally the norm.
If I had the money I could maybe do it differently but I haven't. You have an opinion and that is fine but you'll never get me on to your wavelength but you are free to keep trying. I dont tell other people how to spend their money and never will. If I had your attitude I would ditch our level of existence in the hierarchy and support a bigger, more successful club but I know for a fact that I would be amongst a bigger bunch of doom gloom whingers than I am now. You spend your life whinging and I spend my life hoping. Never the twain shall meet. C'est La Vie.

So what? Scared of a reaction and what that will be? We're back to being bullied again. It's not spite if you stop paying good money for dross year after year because it is run so poorly, it's that you're loyalty has took such a battering that you've had enough. It's now on the club to make a gesture to restore that. The fans have made more than their fair share of gestures.[/quote]

I agree Imp I certainly will not be renewing until I see what I regard as quality signings. After so so many years of watching crap it's no surprise some will not renew early. Also let's all remember living costs have gone through the roof and not everyone can afford or justify buying a blind season ticket.

I agree Imp I certainly will not be renewing until I see what I regard as quality signings. After so so many years of watching crap it's no surprise some will not renew early. Also let's all remember living costs have gone through the roof and not everyone can afford or justify buying a blind season ticket.

Buying blind is always a leap of faith.

The Fans rep will make an announcement soon enough to rally the troops !

you can add to the fact that just waiting and see will not cost much more if you think the signings will make the difference and then buy one. the purchase of a season ticket now is possibly the only transaction you,ll ever make where you do it with no idea what you are paying for.

A wedding ring?

yes, you only get one of those when you are sick of having regular sex.

People whinge but it’s all so simple.

Raj Singh bailed the club out and loaned it money, he did not gift it.
He’s paying himself back over time.
What’s left over has to run the club.
When he’s paid up there will probably be more left for the playing budget but not before.

Probably!!!

When he is paid up he might then leave. I think next season he may go with no parachute payments to rake in.

Ironically the real creator of this mess was hailed as a saviour when he arrived ….till he parachuted out of the emergency exit into the night.
Good job the Council never sold the ground.

so he was the black hole the extra cup and trophy revenue went in or was it reducing the clubs debt as he said.

I heard £7M is the asking price which Chris Turner n his consortium wudent pay.

£7M, I love pools but would not pay that.

Can't see it myself, the debts according to the accounts stand at less than 2 million, and there's virtually no assets to put a value on.
I would expect any potential investor to just walk away if he asked for any more than what his outstanding debt is.

Who are these people waiting for £2M.
Cant see it myself.

And the potential investors have walked away.
Not looking good I'd say.

a slow decline is the most likely scenario, its a miserable situation with Singh not wanting to be in charge and most of us not wanting him, trying to see the positives but the sooner he finally slinks off the better

A slow decline is surely the last thing that Raj would want? Statements from the club and from other chairmen at this level seem to indicate that self sustainability isn't possible to operate at NL level, therefore someone must be subsidising the club year on year. It would make more sense for Raj to cut and run than continue to put money in, unless we can achieve success through promotion and/or cup runs. Or a sugardaddy appears to give him his money back. They're the only scenarios whereby he can recoup his investment, otherwise he keeps putting money in and the club debt grows but the likelihood that his l
potential to lose more also grows.
Shit or bust time as far as I can see.

Fans and owners are like two trains travelling side by side on a track going to the same destination, but are they?