Stockport Owner Interviw

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3689

Snowy wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I don't see after every questionable refereeing decision or substitution the same characters coming on and saying 'no point talking about it as we cant change it' so curious this is the one topic they are so feverently closed off to discussing...

I don’t say it because it’s a fact.
You go on about discussion but have no options on the table to offer for…discussion, you seem to be searching for someone else.
Discuss away with my full backing, no one’s stopping you. Crack on.

Not stopping but you seemingly insert yourself every time with the same 'whats the point we cant do anything' post--which is true of a lot of things but you only feel the need to comment on it when it comes to the chairman-obviously everyone can post what they want (within reason) but curious that this subject alone ignites your passion to tell everyone its not worth talking about....

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12321

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

PTID and Snowys argument always boils down to , nothing we can do about it so no point talking about it-which obviously they are entitled to, but for people who claim apathy is the best approach to the current regime/chairman boy do they jump on EVERY thread that mentions him....

What they do is quite clear and simple. They consider the options and come down on the side of reality. No more and no less.
I know it is frustrating for people who want to give vent to their feelings but look at it another way. You come up with an alternative that will work. An alternative that will get people to go along with you and you will find those two and me and others will say yippee let's do it.
We all want what's best for the club and success on the pitch, no argument mate.
Abuse, criticism and hate haven't worked, HE IS STILL HERE.
There has got to be another way and collectively we have to find it. I don't know how many times I have said that but I will keep on saying it until someone comes up with an answer we can all identify with.

Only other way would be to start a phoenix club from ground up but no one really wants to do that as there is too much emotional investment in the current set up from down the years----the point I am making is if you didnt dicuss anything you couldnt actually change then this board would shut down in a week---and its only the chairman that approach is taken with.
I don't see after every questionable refereeing decision or substitution the same characters coming on and saying 'no point talking about it as we cant change it' so curious this is the one topic they are so feverently closed off to discussing...

Or alternatively the fact that they respond to every post as you mentioned it shows they are interested in discussing it. But the same points are being made over and over again so they reply in the same manner over and over again. Try making positive points instead of the continuous negative ones and you might see a difference. 99% of the points you refer to are the same old Raj bashing and therefore club bashing and the doom and gloom merchants repeating the same old negativity day in and day out will get the same response day in and day out. Try another tack like I keep saying.
The reason they say there's no point talking about it is because it is the same old rhetoric and it hasn't changed a mortal thing. They want to hear new ideas, new ways not the same whinging doom and gloom which offers no hope. It is geared to getting Raj to leave and it hasn't done that, has it. Ask yourself the question and maybe it'll suddenly dawn on you.

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3689

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

PTID and Snowys argument always boils down to , nothing we can do about it so no point talking about it-which obviously they are entitled to, but for people who claim apathy is the best approach to the current regime/chairman boy do they jump on EVERY thread that mentions him....

What they do is quite clear and simple. They consider the options and come down on the side of reality. No more and no less.
I know it is frustrating for people who want to give vent to their feelings but look at it another way. You come up with an alternative that will work. An alternative that will get people to go along with you and you will find those two and me and others will say yippee let's do it.
We all want what's best for the club and success on the pitch, no argument mate.
Abuse, criticism and hate haven't worked, HE IS STILL HERE.
There has got to be another way and collectively we have to find it. I don't know how many times I have said that but I will keep on saying it until someone comes up with an answer we can all identify with.

Only other way would be to start a phoenix club from ground up but no one really wants to do that as there is too much emotional investment in the current set up from down the years----the point I am making is if you didnt dicuss anything you couldnt actually change then this board would shut down in a week---and its only the chairman that approach is taken with.
I don't see after every questionable refereeing decision or substitution the same characters coming on and saying 'no point talking about it as we cant change it' so curious this is the one topic they are so feverently closed off to discussing...

Or alternatively the fact that they respond to every post as you mentioned it shows they are interested in discussing it. But the same points are being made over and over again so they reply in the same manner over and over again. Try making positive points instead of the continuous negative ones and you might see a difference. 99% of the points you refer to are the same old Raj bashing and therefore club bashing and the doom and gloom merchants repeating the same old negativity day in and day out will get the same response day in and day out. Try another tack like I keep saying.
The reason they say there's no point talking about it is because it is the same old rhetoric and it hasn't changed a mortal thing. They want to hear new ideas, new ways not the same whinging doom and gloom which offers no hope. It is geared to getting Raj to leave and it hasn't done that, has it. Ask yourself the question and maybe it'll suddenly dawn on you.

I didnt come on this forum to be open to self reflection and improving as a person.....how dare you !!

:razz:

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12321

loyal_fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I don't see after every questionable refereeing decision or substitution the same characters coming on and saying 'no point talking about it as we cant change it' so curious this is the one topic they are so feverently closed off to discussing...

I don’t say it because it’s a fact.
You go on about discussion but have no options on the table to offer for…discussion, you seem to be searching for someone else.
Discuss away with my full backing, no one’s stopping you. Crack on.

Not stopping but you seemingly insert yourself every time with the same 'whats the point we cant do anything' post--which is true of a lot of things but you only feel the need to comment on it when it comes to the chairman-obviously everyone can post what they want (within reason) but curious that this subject alone ignites your passion to tell everyone its not worth talking about....

It's because it is about our football club not a cup of coffee and you'll notice they are responding to posts about our football club and it's situation. They agree we have a problem, we all do but don't need reminding ad nauseam. What we want to see is positive suggestions and discussions that will take us forward. Get yerself a nice blank sheet of paper and write down all the ways you can do something to make the situation better. Then beside each thing you say we can do then write the method to achieve it. See how far you get.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12321

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

derwent wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

PTID and Snowys argument always boils down to , nothing we can do about it so no point talking about it-which obviously they are entitled to, but for people who claim apathy is the best approach to the current regime/chairman boy do they jump on EVERY thread that mentions him....

What they do is quite clear and simple. They consider the options and come down on the side of reality. No more and no less.
I know it is frustrating for people who want to give vent to their feelings but look at it another way. You come up with an alternative that will work. An alternative that will get people to go along with you and you will find those two and me and others will say yippee let's do it.
We all want what's best for the club and success on the pitch, no argument mate.
Abuse, criticism and hate haven't worked, HE IS STILL HERE.
There has got to be another way and collectively we have to find it. I don't know how many times I have said that but I will keep on saying it until someone comes up with an answer we can all identify with.

Only other way would be to start a phoenix club from ground up but no one really wants to do that as there is too much emotional investment in the current set up from down the years----the point I am making is if you didnt dicuss anything you couldnt actually change then this board would shut down in a week---and its only the chairman that approach is taken with.
I don't see after every questionable refereeing decision or substitution the same characters coming on and saying 'no point talking about it as we cant change it' so curious this is the one topic they are so feverently closed off to discussing...

Or alternatively the fact that they respond to every post as you mentioned it shows they are interested in discussing it. But the same points are being made over and over again so they reply in the same manner over and over again. Try making positive points instead of the continuous negative ones and you might see a difference. 99% of the points you refer to are the same old Raj bashing and therefore club bashing and the doom and gloom merchants repeating the same old negativity day in and day out will get the same response day in and day out. Try another tack like I keep saying.
The reason they say there's no point talking about it is because it is the same old rhetoric and it hasn't changed a mortal thing. They want to hear new ideas, new ways not the same whinging doom and gloom which offers no hope. It is geared to getting Raj to leave and it hasn't done that, has it. Ask yourself the question and maybe it'll suddenly dawn on you.

I didnt come on this forum to be open to self reflection and improving as a person.....how dare you !!

:razz:

I didn't say you did and I wouldn't even attempt to embark on such an educational exercise. :laugh:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36453

loyal_fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

I don't see after every questionable refereeing decision or substitution the same characters coming on and saying 'no point talking about it as we cant change it' so curious this is the one topic they are so feverently closed off to discussing...

I don’t say it because it’s a fact.
You go on about discussion but have no options on the table to offer for…discussion, you seem to be searching for someone else.
Discuss away with my full backing, no one’s stopping you. Crack on.

Not stopping but you seemingly insert yourself every time with the same 'whats the point we cant do anything' post--which is true of a lot of things but you only feel the need to comment on it when it comes to the chairman-obviously everyone can post what they want (within reason) but curious that this subject alone ignites your passion to tell everyone its not worth talking about....

Right let’s talk sense. I would like to see Raj sail out of town on the horse he rode in on ….Adios Raj.
But he’s sat there like the Rock of Gibraltar, no one has come up with even a flicker of an idea of how to get rid, I admit I haven’t …..so life has taught me to stop stressing and ride the storm. There’s no body of people in active opposition just random fans venting their frustration but that goes with the territory for most club Chairman so they can afford to basically laugh in your face…you end up getting more frustrated but nothing changes except your blood pressure……
I think this is that key season when success has to be delivered.
Don’t forget, this is a message board though, you’re gonna get opinions you don’t like, but that’s the name of the game…you can’t gag opinions that don’t align with yours, it works both ways, but someone needs a strategy for change and no one has home up with one yet, mores the pity.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3948

Think I offer a balanced opinion whenever I post and on whatever topic. What I most certainly try to do is consider the bigger picture and I definitely don't try to close down debate or discussion.
Don't think I've ever told anyone that they should stop posting on any subject at all but I've most certainly been instructed to "give it a rest" by some who's opinions differ from mine.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

derwent wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

derwent wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

The differences between the owner of Stockport and Pools in Mark Stott is a lifelong Stockport fan who is reported to be worth over £400 million and wrote off debts of £7.7 million at Stockport.
Raj Singh is not a life long Pools fan and has nowhere near the worth of the Stockport owner, his group Prestige Homes owns 6 Care Homes, Stotts property company turnover runs into billions.

no, mark stott is not a lifelong stockport fan or lives in the town. he is a man. city fan like his family where. he was pursueded to put his money into the club by someone else in the same way the accrington owner was who although born in the town with a big business there had never been to a game before. these people might not be the norm in todays football world but they do exist. its just finding one for us, but everyone i know has small bank balances.

Not like Jamie to peddle fake news.

My news is not fake news,
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-17582352

No one said it was. Like I say it is not like you to peddle fake news.
It is a compliment, you need to really address this persecution complex that Snowy refers to as Victimhood.

I took it the same way you did Jamie

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4377

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Ah the old "defending Raj " jibe. Funny how that always comes out when you're stuck for an answer.
I'm not peddling what he does or not with his personal wealth so have nothing to prove on the matter. You're the one who brought it up but when asked about it gave your usual "Raj defender " answer.
However your answer tells me that, like the rest of us, you know sod all about the man's personal wealth or what he does with it so I won't waste any more of our time asking you about it.[/quote]

That agenda is if he is questioned or things are said we have no proof nowt can be done etc etc. Yet if he signs someone or employs a manager oh what a great guy look at him backing us. You would think after coxall chairman at pools should be constantly questioned, we all know he isnt a coxall but we also know he is pretty dreadful at running football clubs thank god the trust now speak out against him and the north west corner. This guy should not be allowed to quietly go along ruining football clubs.

You DO have a pretty clear agenda when it comes to Raj. Don't be embarrassed, most of us do too its just not the same as yours.[/quote]

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8951

PTID wrote:

Think I offer a balanced opinion whenever I post and on whatever topic. What I most certainly try to do is consider the bigger picture and I definitely don't try to close down debate or discussion.
Don't think I've ever told anyone that they should stop posting on any subject at all but I've most certainly been instructed to "give it a rest" by some who's opinions differ from mine.

As long as we exchange our views in a semi civilised way then there's no problem.
Think I've only disagreed nastilly with PJ Poolie but didn't we all from time to time.
Anyhow SM chat and real talk are 2 different worlds apart for sure.
But at the end of the day Pools is only Football.
UTP.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3948

Isn't asking for proof or evidence to back up opinions allowed then?

As for praising Raj, he's had very little of that from any quarter over the last couple of seasons.

And how is he going along ruining football clubs? If he wanted to ruin us he'd simply walk away, he wouldn't have sacked Askey or appointed Phillips, he wouldn't have appointed Sarll and a new coaching team.
It seems to me that these latest actions are entirely the opposite in that he's trying to move us forward.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36453

PTID wrote:

Isn't asking for proof or evidence to back up opinions allowed then?

As for praising Raj, he's had very little of that from any quarter over the last couple of seasons.

And how is he going along ruining football clubs? If he wanted to ruin us he'd simply walk away, he wouldn't have sacked Askey or appointed Phillips, he wouldn't have appointed Sarll and a new coaching team.
It seems to me that these latest actions are entirely the opposite in that he's trying to move us forward.

Raj is not the answer.
I tolerate his ownership because I have no other option, but we are on the road to nowhere.
I hope we do improve, seriously…but there’s always that ‘Voyage of the Damned’ feeling in the background.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3948

Raj like all previous and future owners is the man of the moment, he'll eventually leave and we'll have a new chairman and owner.
The worrying thing is the potential manner of his departure, for me the nuclear option of a phoenix club is a non starter - it just wouldn't be Pools. And that means accepting the situation until something better comes along.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36453

PTID wrote:

Raj like all previous and future owners is the man of the moment, he'll eventually leave and we'll have a new chairman and owner.
The worrying thing is the potential manner of his departure, for me the nuclear option of a phoenix club is a non starter - it just wouldn't be Pools. And that means accepting the situation until something better comes along.

I appreciate your reasoning and realistically we are where we are and that’s in Limbo.
His announcement that he was going has apparently been without foundation.
Anyone desperate to be away would be away….but is it a case of him wanting to sell the club from a position of ‘relative’ strength …?
This has turned into an apparent stand off as he at present appears to be not going anywhere soon.
However, this can’t continue with supporters being strung along, either splash the cash on signings and show true intent or call it a day.
Football clubs aren’t there to be assets, they’re there to show ambition and intent.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3948

I honestly believe he wants us to succeed - how else will he get his money back? And I'd far rather him keep us going than simply go into liquidation. Hopefully he's got it right this time with the manager and we can kick on, or that a new owner who can do that is around the corner but unless and until we are where we are......

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18989

PTID wrote:

I honestly believe he wants us to succeed - how else will he get his money back? And I'd far rather him keep us going than simply go into liquidation. Hopefully he's got it right this time with the manager and we can kick on, or that a new owner who can do that is around the corner but unless and until we are where we are......

as fans we have no real say on anything whats happening at the club from who is the owner, manager, players or anything else the club decides to do. we can post and debate issues forever but will never change things. however if we didn,t do that you might as bury the bunker and all platforms where pools are concerned.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18989

Jamie1952 wrote:

derwent wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

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no, mark stott is not a lifelong stockport fan or lives in the town. he is a man. city fan like his family where. he was pursueded to put his money into the club by someone else in the same way the accrington owner was who although born in the town with a big business there had never been to a game before. these people might not be the norm in todays football world but they do exist. its just finding one for us, but everyone i know has small bank balances.

Not like Jamie to peddle fake news.

My news is not fake news,
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-17582352

not fake news from him but repeating fake news from a newspaper. he might have been a local bloke but it ended there. i doubt the mail would at the outset say our local new owner was a lifelong fan of a bigger NE club. you only need to listen to his interview where he admitted to be a man. city fan. not the fault of jamie as he only posted a piece from a paper.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7104

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

derwent wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

[
no, mark stott is not a lifelong stockport fan or lives in the town. he is a man. city fan like his family where. he was pursueded to put his money into the club by someone else in the same way the accrington owner was who although born in the town with a big business there had never been to a game before. these people might not be the norm in todays football world but they do exist. its just finding one for us, but everyone i know has small bank balances.

Not like Jamie to peddle fake news.

My news is not fake news,
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-17582352

not fake news from him but repeating fake news from a newspaper. he might have been a local bloke but it ended there. i doubt the mail would at the outset say our local new owner was a lifelong fan of a bigger NE club. you only need to listen to his interview where he admitted to be a man. city fan. not the fault of jamie as he only posted a piece from a paper.

When I post any info I normally provide a link to back it up, it’s not my fault if the MSM print fake news.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12321

Jamie1952 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

derwent wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

[
no, mark stott is not a lifelong stockport fan or lives in the town. he is a man. city fan like his family where. he was pursueded to put his money into the club by someone else in the same way the accrington owner was who although born in the town with a big business there had never been to a game before. these people might not be the norm in todays football world but they do exist. its just finding one for us, but everyone i know has small bank balances.

Not like Jamie to peddle fake news.

My news is not fake news,
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-17582352

not fake news from him but repeating fake news from a newspaper. he might have been a local bloke but it ended there. i doubt the mail would at the outset say our local new owner was a lifelong fan of a bigger NE club. you only need to listen to his interview where he admitted to be a man. city fan. not the fault of jamie as he only posted a piece from a paper.

When I post any info I normally provide a link to back it up, it’s not my fault if the MSM print fake news.

Don't worry Jamie nobody is blaming you but that's why I don't quote newspapers. I don't even read the bloody things. Best to look for backup when it comes to newspapers, especially local rags. My Dad used to say of the Mail "The only thing you can believe in the Mail is the date but I advise you check elsewhere before you quote even that". :laugh:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36453

Jamie1952 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

derwent wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

[
no, mark stott is not a lifelong stockport fan or lives in the town. he is a man. city fan like his family where. he was pursueded to put his money into the club by someone else in the same way the accrington owner was who although born in the town with a big business there had never been to a game before. these people might not be the norm in todays football world but they do exist. its just finding one for us, but everyone i know has small bank balances.

Not like Jamie to peddle fake news.

My news is not fake news,
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-17582352

not fake news from him but repeating fake news from a newspaper. he might have been a local bloke but it ended there. i doubt the mail would at the outset say our local new owner was a lifelong fan of a bigger NE club. you only need to listen to his interview where he admitted to be a man. city fan. not the fault of jamie as he only posted a piece from a paper.

When I post any info I normally provide a link to back it up, it’s not my fault if the MSM print fake news.

Even I’m on your with this one Jamie. :laugh:

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8951

PTID wrote:

I honestly believe he wants us to succeed - how else will he get his money back? And I'd far rather him keep us going than simply go into liquidation. Hopefully he's got it right this time with the manager and we can kick on, or that a new owner who can do that is around the corner but unless and until we are where we are......

I Success will mean his management fees can go to about 4k a week if he was on 3k last time.
Basically buy himself a pay rise.
Add a few cup runs in and he's laughing his bollocks off again.

Then if it goes tits up the money gets turned into the loans to the club carry on.

Probably explains why a sell off was less profitable.
Sounds like 22nd in division 4 for the next 20 years is not off the menu!!
After next season obviously.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8951

Shit I've just give him a good idea.
Mite have to bill him for my management commercial skills.
bbolt

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12321

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

Shit I've just give him a good idea.
Mite have to bill him for my management commercial skills.
bbolt

Aye sometimes it's wise to keep it to yerself. :laugh:

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3948

We don't know how much if anything Raj takes as a salary for running the club. A management fee is paid to Prestige Group but Prestige Group accounts say that the Director didn't take a salary. The fee could be for shared services between Raj's companies for all we know. To say he's personally taking 3k per week is as usual guesswork when it comes to the clubs financial affairs.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Snowy wrote:

PTID wrote:

Raj like all previous and future owners is the man of the moment, he'll eventually leave and we'll have a new chairman and owner.
The worrying thing is the potential manner of his departure, for me the nuclear option of a phoenix club is a non starter - it just wouldn't be Pools. And that means accepting the situation until something better comes along.

I appreciate your reasoning and realistically we are where we are and that’s in Limbo.
His announcement that he was going has apparently been without foundation.
Anyone desperate to be away would be away….but is it a case of him wanting to sell the club from a position of ‘relative’ strength …?
This has turned into an apparent stand off as he at present appears to be not going anywhere soon.
However, this can’t continue with supporters being strung along, either splash the cash on signings and show true intent or call it a day.
Football clubs aren’t there to be assets, they’re there to show ambition and intent.

Voice of reason. clappp

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18989

Jamie1952 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

[

My news is not fake news,
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-17582352

not fake news from him but repeating fake news from a newspaper. he might have been a local bloke but it ended there. i doubt the mail would at the outset say our local new owner was a lifelong fan of a bigger NE club. you only need to listen to his interview where he admitted to be a man. city fan. not the fault of jamie as he only posted a piece from a paper.

When I post any info I normally provide a link to back it up, it’s not my fault if the MSM print fake news.

i know its not your fault i said it. does go to show especially with local newspapers is that they print what they feel people want to see and so many still believe them. mind you if something is on twitter or x they believe that also.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7104

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

[

My news is not fake news,
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-17582352

not fake news from him but repeating fake news from a newspaper. he might have been a local bloke but it ended there. i doubt the mail would at the outset say our local new owner was a lifelong fan of a bigger NE club. you only need to listen to his interview where he admitted to be a man. city fan. not the fault of jamie as he only posted a piece from a paper.

When I post any info I normally provide a link to back it up, it’s not my fault if the MSM print fake news.

i know its not your fault i said it. does go to show especially with local newspapers is that they print what they feel people want to see and so many still believe them. mind you if something is on twitter or x they believe that also.

MSM can influence people in many ways including results of elections.

Herr Flick · **Joined:** Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:46 am **Posts:** 113

PTID wrote:

We don't know how much if anything Raj takes as a salary for running the club. A management fee is paid to Prestige Group but Prestige Group accounts say that the Director didn't take a salary. The fee could be for shared services between Raj's companies for all we know. To say he's personally taking 3k per week is as usual guesswork when it comes to the clubs financial affairs.

Probably for Lennie's accomodation.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36453

Jamie1952 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

[

My news is not fake news,
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n-17582352

not fake news from him but repeating fake news from a newspaper. he might have been a local bloke but it ended there. i doubt the mail would at the outset say our local new owner was a lifelong fan of a bigger NE club. you only need to listen to his interview where he admitted to be a man. city fan. not the fault of jamie as he only posted a piece from a paper.

When I post any info I normally provide a link to back it up, it’s not my fault if the MSM print fake news.

i know its not your fault i said it. does go to show especially with local newspapers is that they print what they feel people want to see and so many still believe them. mind you if something is on twitter or x they believe that also.

MSM can influence people in many ways including results of elections.

They’ll have a job influencing this election, it’s a done deal.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7104

Herr Flick wrote:

PTID wrote:

We don't know how much if anything Raj takes as a salary for running the club. A management fee is paid to Prestige Group but Prestige Group accounts say that the Director didn't take a salary. The fee could be for shared services between Raj's companies for all we know. To say he's personally taking 3k per week is as usual guesswork when it comes to the clubs financial affairs.

Probably for Lennie's accomodation.

He will take dividends from the company.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3948

Still guesswork as to where the management fee goes though isn't it?
Just saying many grouped companies use shared resources in areas like admin, legal, for example to save duplication and obviously costs with each individual company paying a proportion. That might be where some of it goes, who knows?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36453

Jamie1952 wrote:

Herr Flick wrote:

PTID wrote:

We don't know how much if anything Raj takes as a salary for running the club. A management fee is paid to Prestige Group but Prestige Group accounts say that the Director didn't take a salary. The fee could be for shared services between Raj's companies for all we know. To say he's personally taking 3k per week is as usual guesswork when it comes to the clubs financial affairs.

Probably for Lennie's accomodation.

He will take dividends from the company.

I’d be amazed if he didn’t, but it’s one of those things that nobody gives a toss about if you’re winning…success on the field can produce a very, forgiving, tolerant fan base.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7104

Who says football isn’t profitable Freddy Shepherd, Sir John Hall and their families, the former major shareholders of Newcastle United, made almost £146m from their years at St James' Park back in 2007 before Mike Ashley took over who allegedly never took a penny in any form from Newcastle.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12321

Mike Ashley once said that he was putting £20million a year into Newcastle and that was his limit. How true that statement was I have no idea.
I doubt the current owners of Newcastle United are making, or in the foreseeable future will make, any money at all.
It is alleged that Sir John Hall bought his Newcastle stake for around £2million and sold it for over £100 million but no mention has been made (to my knowledge) how much he actually put into the club between buying and selling his stake. Or indeed how much tax he was able to write off.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7104

derwent wrote:

Mike Ashley once said that he was putting £20million a year into Newcastle and that was his limit. How true that statement was I have no idea.
I doubt the current owners of Newcastle United are making, or in the foreseeable future will make, any money at all.
It is alleged that Sir John Hall bought his Newcastle stake for around £2million and sold it for over £100 million but no mention has been made (to my knowledge) how much he actually put into the club between buying and selling his stake. Or indeed how much tax he was able to write off.

Doing a bit of googling’ all it says is Sir John Hall resided Newcastle from liquidation, no figures mentioned. In 1997, Hall passed chairmanship of the club to Freddy Shepherd and his family interests in the club to his son, Douglas. He then sold his entire 41.6% shareholding to sports retail magnate Mike Ashley for £55 million on 23 May 2007, valuing the club at £133.1 million

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12321

Jamie1952 wrote:

derwent wrote:

Mike Ashley once said that he was putting £20million a year into Newcastle and that was his limit. How true that statement was I have no idea.
I doubt the current owners of Newcastle United are making, or in the foreseeable future will make, any money at all.
It is alleged that Sir John Hall bought his Newcastle stake for around £2million and sold it for over £100 million but no mention has been made (to my knowledge) how much he actually put into the club between buying and selling his stake. Or indeed how much tax he was able to write off.

Doing a bit of googling’ all it says is Sir John Hall resided Newcastle from liquidation, no figures mentioned. In 1997, Hall passed chairmanship of the club to Freddy Shepherd and his family interests in the club to his son, Douglas. He then sold his entire 41.6% shareholding to sports retail magnate Mike Ashley for £55 million on 23 May 2007, valuing the club at £133.1 million

Right, perhaps the £2million he was alleged to have immediately parted with covered debts or such like, but the other figures you have uncovered make interesting reading. Appreciate your efforts as I couldn't be arsed ( lazy twat) :laugh:

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7104

derwent wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

derwent wrote:

Mike Ashley once said that he was putting £20million a year into Newcastle and that was his limit. How true that statement was I have no idea.
I doubt the current owners of Newcastle United are making, or in the foreseeable future will make, any money at all.
It is alleged that Sir John Hall bought his Newcastle stake for around £2million and sold it for over £100 million but no mention has been made (to my knowledge) how much he actually put into the club between buying and selling his stake. Or indeed how much tax he was able to write off.

Doing a bit of googling’ all it says is Sir John Hall resided Newcastle from liquidation, no figures mentioned. In 1997, Hall passed chairmanship of the club to Freddy Shepherd and his family interests in the club to his son, Douglas. He then sold his entire 41.6% shareholding to sports retail magnate Mike Ashley for £55 million on 23 May 2007, valuing the club at £133.1 million

Right, perhaps the £2million he was alleged to have immediately parted with covered debts or such like, but the other figures you have uncovered make interesting reading. Appreciate your efforts as I couldn't be arsed ( lazy twat) :laugh:

No problem Derwent I am always interested in business men who started life off as property developers and people like John Poulson.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12321

Jamie1952 wrote:

derwent wrote:

Jamie1952 wrote:

derwent wrote:

Mike Ashley once said that he was putting £20million a year into Newcastle and that was his limit. How true that statement was I have no idea.
I doubt the current owners of Newcastle United are making, or in the foreseeable future will make, any money at all.
It is alleged that Sir John Hall bought his Newcastle stake for around £2million and sold it for over £100 million but no mention has been made (to my knowledge) how much he actually put into the club between buying and selling his stake. Or indeed how much tax he was able to write off.

Doing a bit of googling’ all it says is Sir John Hall resided Newcastle from liquidation, no figures mentioned. In 1997, Hall passed chairmanship of the club to Freddy Shepherd and his family interests in the club to his son, Douglas. He then sold his entire 41.6% shareholding to sports retail magnate Mike Ashley for £55 million on 23 May 2007, valuing the club at £133.1 million

Right, perhaps the £2million he was alleged to have immediately parted with covered debts or such like, but the other figures you have uncovered make interesting reading. Appreciate your efforts as I couldn't be arsed ( lazy twat) :laugh:

No problem Derwent I am always interested in business men who started life off as property developers and people like John Poulson.

I like to get to people run around after me.
Was Poulson the guy who was associated with T Dan Smith or am I mixing him up.

Johnjo1 · **Joined:** Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:52 pm **Posts:** 1625

I was led to believe Harold Hornsey bought Pools for buttons and sold it to IOR for 2 million and was kept on for 2yrs as a paid advisor.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4377

Snowy wrote:

PTID wrote:

Raj like all previous and future owners is the man of the moment, he'll eventually leave and we'll have a new chairman and owner.
The worrying thing is the potential manner of his departure, for me the nuclear option of a phoenix club is a non starter - it just wouldn't be Pools. And that means accepting the situation until something better comes along.

I appreciate your reasoning and realistically we are where we are and that’s in Limbo.
His announcement that he was going has apparently been without foundation.
Anyone desperate to be away would be away….but is it a case of him wanting to sell the club from a position of ‘relative’ strength …?
This has turned into an apparent stand off as he at present appears to be not going anywhere soon.
However, this can’t continue with supporters being strung along, either splash the cash on signings and show true intent or call it a day.
Football clubs aren’t there to be assets, they’re there to show ambition and intent.

Spot on snowy

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7104

I copied and pasted this article about clubs being registered abroad, it was printed in 2015.

Hartlepool United
Independent Oilfields Rentals IOR Limited owns the club, registered in Jersey.

Response from club “The ultimate owning company is in Jersey, but the club is owned by UK company IOR Ltd. IOR bought the club for football and business reasons; it was never the intention to sell the club at a gain and that has never been possible with a League One or Two club. Even if it had been, IOR Ltd are not in the business of avoiding any tax due to HMRC.”

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4377

accrington fan wrote:

PTID wrote:

I honestly believe he wants us to succeed - how else will he get his money back? And I'd far rather him keep us going than simply go into liquidation. Hopefully he's got it right this time with the manager and we can kick on, or that a new owner who can do that is around the corner but unless and until we are where we are......

as fans we have no real say on anything whats happening at the club from who is the owner, manager, players or anything else the club decides to do. we can post and debate issues forever but will never change things. however if we didn,t do that you might as bury the bunker and all platforms where pools are concerned.

We say we have no say but if 4000 people didnt put any money in the club raj singh be trying to offload the club as quick as possible. Fans have a lot of say granted not easy and sometimes risky, but many instances fans have basically forced certain chairman out. Gary coxall might of been here a while longer if he wasnt called out by fans on here at the time.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36453

loyal_fan wrote:

Snowy wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

PTID and Snowys argument always boils down to , nothing we can do about it so no point talking about it-which obviously they are entitled to, but for people who claim apathy is the best approach to the current regime/chairman boy do they jump on EVERY thread that mentions him....

OK what are you gonna do to change things ?
While you’re at it kindly remind me where I praised Raj….?
Tolerance is not approval in the way words without action are worthless.

what are you gonna do about people drinking expensive coffee or the state of politics etc..---yet you post an opinion on it as is your right-why this arbitrary rule you have made up, seemingly exclusively for the topic of running the club that unless you can effect change then there is no point talking about it?

It’s a massage board.
I’m expressing ‘my’ opinion.
I am not stopping you or anyone else from expressing your opinion…and have no wish to.
Can’t you cope with alternative opinions?…I manage.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 18989

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

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as fans we have no real say on anything whats happening at the club from who is the owner, manager, players or anything else the club decides to do. we can post and debate issues forever but will never change things. however if we didn,t do that you might as bury the bunker and all platforms where pools are concerned.

We say we have no say but if 4000 people didnt put any money in the club raj singh be trying to offload the club as quick as possible. Fans have a lot of say granted not easy and sometimes risky, but many instances fans have basically forced certain chairman out. Gary coxall might of been here a while longer if he wasnt called out by fans on here at the time.

if an owner dug there heels in to just be awkward or run the club down the 4000 will be less but there would still be many still around shouting and screaming for a change. need to be careful how we all act and we have not got to the position where any new owner is bound to be better.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3948

So which clubs have actually had a change of ownership forced on them by a fans forum or a fans boycott?
I've been watching football for well over 60 years and I can't recall any?

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4377

PTID wrote:

So which clubs have actually had a change of ownership forced on them by a fans forum or a fans boycott?
I've been watching football for well over 60 years and I can't recall any?

Oystons at blackpool for one. Took a hell of a long time but to say no boycotts get rid of owners is nonsense. If 250 fans turned up for the first 6 minth of next season do you think raj would habg about?

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4377

accrington fan wrote:

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

accrington fan wrote:

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as fans we have no real say on anything whats happening at the club from who is the owner, manager, players or anything else the club decides to do. we can post and debate issues forever but will never change things. however if we didn,t do that you might as bury the bunker and all platforms where pools are concerned.

We say we have no say but if 4000 people didnt put any money in the club raj singh be trying to offload the club as quick as possible. Fans have a lot of say granted not easy and sometimes risky, but many instances fans have basically forced certain chairman out. Gary coxall might of been here a while longer if he wasnt called out by fans on here at the time.

if an owner dug there heels in to just be awkward or run the club down the 4000 will be less but there would still be many still around shouting and screaming for a change. need to be careful how we all act and we have not got to the position where any new owner is bound to be better.

We do have to be careful but to say fans dont have a voice in football its not true, fans get managers sacked, fans can also destroy young lads careers, barracking them. Fans are the ones that decide how much income goes into the club through merchandise sales, tickets etc.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36453

Like I said earlier, fans are the soul of a club.
Owners are like chimps with our Ming vase, I just wish they’d put the bloody thing down and move on.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2548

Snowy wrote:

Like I said earlier, fans are the soul of a club.
Owners are like chimps with our Ming vase, I just wish they’d put the bloody thing down and move on.

Brilliant. Love it :laugh:

Put the bloody vase down and p*** off.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3948

But the Oystons were still there regardless of the fan boycott. They were finally ousted after the club was put into receivership after they'd stripped it bare, the Receiver ousted the Oystons not the fans. All the fans could do was watch the place being asset stripped and wait until officialdom removed the owners.
So which clubs fans have actually forced a change of owner?

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