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 Post subject: Re: Gaza
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:52 pm 
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Israel should carpet bomb the place with
mOABs for a couple of days then it would be all over and the world could stop its hand wringing over a load of ragheads who wish us nothing but evil.


That would have the opposite effect, just think how many martyrs that would create even in the U.K., I assume your comment is tongue in cheek ?


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The retribution from such actions doesn't bear thinking about either.


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So Israel have attacked the Iranian consulate in Syria which is a clear violation of international law, does this mean Syria and Iran have carte blanche freedom to indiscriminately decimate Israeli towns and cities? Also why are they increasing their attacks on Hezbollah in Lebanon - surely actions which will only further destabilise the entire region?


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 Post subject: Re: Gaza
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Oh no! In the Israeli attack did they rape, kill and mutilate anyone they could lay their hands on and take hostages?


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What's that got to do with attacking a foreign consulate in another country or escalating the conflict in Lebanon?
Even the Istaeli people are protesting about their governments actions in Gaza. The only way to get the hostages released is going to be through negotiation.
Our Government, the UN, Red Cross, Red Crescent, US, have all raised concerns regarding the real humanitarian crisis affecting millions and its time some humanity was shown towards the innocent people affected.
Somehow a 2 state solution needs to be established which I would imagine will require UN peacekeeping forces being established in the area.


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 Post subject: Re: Gaza
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Cameron said the U.K. will continue to supply arms to Israel, surely a red rag to a bull here, tbh it’s frightening with all the illegals here the majority who are Muslims.


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 Post subject: Re: Gaza
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Cameron said the U.K. will continue to supply arms to Israel, surely a red rag to a bull here, tbh it’s frightening with all the illegals here the majority who are Muslims.

being one of their biggest allies since they created that state it would have been a shock if they had stopped arming them after all these years. muslims ar a religeon like being jewish is and not countries. i,d imagine even now in this country there are more jews in power than muslims but do not shout about it.


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accrington fan wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Cameron said the U.K. will continue to supply arms to Israel, surely a red rag to a bull here, tbh it’s frightening with all the illegals here the majority who are Muslims.

being one of their biggest allies since they created that state it would have been a shock if they had stopped arming them after all these years. muslims ar a religeon like being jewish is and not countries. i,d imagine even now in this country there are more jews in power than muslims but do not shout about it.


Come across this about Jewish owned banks,
including Goldman Sachs (founded by Samuel Sachs and Marcus Goldman), Kuhn Loeb (Solomon Loeb and Jacob H. Schiff), Lehman Brothers (Henry Lehman), Salomon Brothers, and Bache & Co. and of course Rothchilds.


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 Post subject: Re: Gaza
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Jamie1952 wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Cameron said the U.K. will continue to supply arms to Israel, surely a red rag to a bull here, tbh it’s frightening with all the illegals here the majority who are Muslims.

being one of their biggest allies since they created that state it would have been a shock if they had stopped arming them after all these years. muslims ar a religeon like being jewish is and not countries. i,d imagine even now in this country there are more jews in power than muslims but do not shout about it.


Come across this about Jewish owned banks,
including Goldman Sachs (founded by Samuel Sachs and Marcus Goldman), Kuhn Loeb (Solomon Loeb and Jacob H. Schiff), Lehman Brothers (Henry Lehman), Salomon Brothers, and Bache & Co. and of course Rothchilds.

you can add the film industry and the rag trade to that list. M&S and Tesco are two more big names that come quickly to mind. Look at the credits and you,ll find more names like levi and solomon than ahmed or mohammed plus the others who have changed their names like from greenbaum to just plain green. o i forgot to add jewellers to that.


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British jets and other nations were involved in shooting down missiles and drones heading for Israel, why don’t they do the same for Russian missiles and drones heading for Ukraine ?


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Strange isn't it, the Iranian strike was in response to Israel attacking their Consulate in Syria - are Iran OK striking back as it is seemingly OK for Israel to respond to the Hamas attack in October?
As stated why actively defend Israel but not Ukraine?


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 Post subject: Re: Gaza
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In fairness we have given a heck of a lot to Ukraine. I suppose it depends on what help is asked for. Trying to second guess the whys and wherefores doesn't bear much fruit.

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 Post subject: Re: Gaza
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derwent wrote:
In fairness we have given a heck of a lot to Ukraine. I suppose it depends on what help is asked for. Trying to second guess the whys and wherefores doesn't bear much fruit.


I think any intervention from a NATO country would give Russia well Putin the excuse he needs to escalate the conflict. I doubt Iran is a threat to the U.K. with drones and missiles although it might encourage more jihadists.
Mark Francois, the former armed forces minister, said: “We have nothing remotely comparable to the very comprehensive Israeli Iron Dome system, bar a very few missiles, with limited range, frightening really.


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 Post subject: Re: Gaza
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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
In fairness we have given a heck of a lot to Ukraine. I suppose it depends on what help is asked for. Trying to second guess the whys and wherefores doesn't bear much fruit.


I think any intervention from a NATO country would give Russia well Putin the excuse he needs to escalate the conflict. I doubt Iran is a threat to the U.K. with drones and missiles although it might encourage more jihadists.
Mark Francois, the former armed forces minister, said: “We have nothing remotely comparable to the very comprehensive Israeli Iron Dome system, bar a very few missiles, with limited range, frightening really.

think putin might think twice about escalation as things are not exactly going his way. its not exactly a 1939 blitzkrieg on poland is it.


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accrington fan wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
In fairness we have given a heck of a lot to Ukraine. I suppose it depends on what help is asked for. Trying to second guess the whys and wherefores doesn't bear much fruit.


I think any intervention from a NATO country would give Russia well Putin the excuse he needs to escalate the conflict. I doubt Iran is a threat to the U.K. with drones and missiles although it might encourage more jihadists.
Mark Francois, the former armed forces minister, said: “We have nothing remotely comparable to the very comprehensive Israeli Iron Dome system, bar a very few missiles, with limited range, frightening really.

think putin might think twice about escalation as things are not exactly going his way. its not exactly a 1939 blitzkrieg on poland is it.


It’s criminal the damage the Russians are doing to the infrastructure in Ukraine trying to them into submission.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
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It’s criminal the damage the Russians are doing to the infrastructure in Ukraine trying to them into submission.

you could call it job creation for when its finally over. we could help ukraine then by loaning out permanently our illegals to build the country back up.


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Zelensky now asking why US and UK are shooting down Iranian drones and missiles but not Russian?


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PTID wrote:
Zelensky now asking why US and UK are shooting down Iranian drones and missiles but not Russian?


He has a point ?


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 Post subject: Re: Gaza
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As I understand it when Israel was created the UK and US guaranteed it's security. I don't know if that still applies.

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Jamie1952 wrote:
PTID wrote:
Zelensky now asking why US and UK are shooting down Iranian drones and missiles but not Russian?


He has a point ?

We are more frightenied of the Russians than Iran?

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Jamie1952 wrote:
PTID wrote:
Zelensky now asking why US and UK are shooting down Iranian drones and missiles but not Russian?


He has a point ?


It's rude to point, unless you're pointing(no pun intended)to the fact that he still has his sharpener !!!!!!

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Bluestreak wrote:
As I understand it when Israel was created the UK and US guaranteed it's security. I don't know if that still applies.

you are probably correct and even the general public until quite recently were silenced in any condemnation of that country because they,d be called holocaust deniers. you cannot live on the back of that forever no matter how bad it certainly was.


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accrington fan wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
As I understand it when Israel was created the UK and US guaranteed it's security. I don't know if that still applies.

you are probably correct and even the general public until quite recently were silenced in any condemnation of that country because they,d be called holocaust deniers. you cannot live on the back of that forever no matter how bad it certainly was.


As I pointed out the Jewish community/business people have a lot of power in the world, what does Ukraine bring to the U.K. or the USA ?


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Jamie1952 wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
As I understand it when Israel was created the UK and US guaranteed it's security. I don't know if that still applies.

you are probably correct and even the general public until quite recently were silenced in any condemnation of that country because they,d be called holocaust deniers. you cannot live on the back of that forever no matter how bad it certainly was.


As I pointed out the Jewish community/business people have a lot of power in the world, what does Ukraine bring to the U.K. or the USA ?

more than bloody afghanistan ever did when lives as well as money were spent.


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accrington fan wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
As I understand it when Israel was created the UK and US guaranteed it's security. I don't know if that still applies.

you are probably correct and even the general public until quite recently were silenced in any condemnation of that country because they,d be called holocaust deniers. you cannot live on the back of that forever no matter how bad it certainly was.


As I pointed out the Jewish community/business people have a lot of power in the world, what does Ukraine bring to the U.K. or the USA ?

more than bloody afghanistan ever did when lives as well as money were spent.


The U.K. over centuries have been involved in many conflicts, what ones achieved anything apart from WW1 & 2 ?


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