I think you'll find that the wealth pyramid is much much the same as the league pyramid. Its far less likely to fail with a big budget than succeed with a small one.

true, but you,ll find the clubs debts and losses manage to be like that also from the top of the premier league to the bottom of league 2. this is where fans can be blamed where there insistance on success can force clubs to attempt to break the financial rules that apply.

Entirely different issue. Fact remains, money talks wherever it has come from.

Wonder why they bother playing games really, should just have the Chairmen of each club show their budgets and decide the table on that. And, even if they did my guess would be we'd be in the play offs.

You've completely lost me now and gone a bit silly. You started wanting to blame everybody but Raj for how shit we are on the pitch. I've explained to you how chairmen MASSIVELY affect EVERYTHING at a football club. The club is a joke. He is culpable. That's it.

Raj is set to work with the Elite Fans group led by Gavin John

Evidence is normally carried out on the pitch. Its like we dont know what wrexhams budget is but i think we all know its a site more than pools. Like Chesterfield when your pinching players from league 1 you know. Gary liddle a couple of year ago went to south shields over us. The countless number of loans we get that go back and never go anywhere else, the players we sign that end in a league or two below, funny those clubs can also afford our cast off rubbish. No one can say how much we are spending but hard evidence points to its pretty poor or the same people are veing conned every time.

Whatever our budget is whether its the best or worst the people at the club seem incompetent of running the football side of things.

We have no proof Stockport are spending big. How on earth would anyone know. Funny isnt it when you question pools your not allowed to say about the budget. Stockport go up oh well they must be spending big.

Stockport signed Paddy Madden for £180k in the NL, I'd say that's pretty conclusive evidence of spending big wouldn't you?

It is definitely important that the budget has to be managed wisely whatever it is.

What do you mean you're not allowed, who on earth is stopping you. Not one post has been taken down through mentioning budgets. The only bone of contention is it is usually guesswork, maybe educated guesswork but guesswork never the less. You say there is no proof that Stockport are spending big. There's no proof available of any budgets but that doesn't stop speculation, especially by you. So why are you criticising people speculating on Stockport when you do exactly the same with Pools. You're not on your own mind.

The fee was undisclosed. You are guessing. Thats the point people are trying to make.

You are definitely not trigger happy when it comes to taking down posts. Fact. Credit to you for that.

By 'not allowed' he's meaning the howls of outrage that come out when speculation and analysis does happen and it paints Raj in a negative light, not your moderation of the posts. Its all there for people to see thanks to your even hand.

You're right I am guessing about Maddens transfer fee but I've probably guessed on the low side!
According to the Blackpool newspapers Fleetwood were offered a substantial deal which they felt they had to allow the player to consider, the sum they mention is £.25m!
So I think its safe to say they were definitely among the higher spenders.

Let’s apply some logic. If anyone knew anything, it would be all over the place.
There’d be a race to spill the beans, from both sides
It’s all Chinese whispers and I must be getting old, cos I ain’t losing any sleep waiting for anything to happen

While we are on the subject with giesswork being presented as fact, whoever said that York signed a player for a six figure fee is also guessing.

It's amazing how when it's claimed big budgets bring success that Wrexham, Notts County, Stickport, and Chesterfield are all cited as obvious examples. Are you now saying they aren't big spenders and if so that must mean Stockport success is purely down to the manager?

It’s just common sense ffs

Madden as someone mentioned, then sarcevic from Bolton captain of a side 2 leagues above)
Horsfall - Northampton player of the year
Powell , high earner at Stoke

It’s weird how people say if they haven’t seen the books there is ‘no’
Proof…..I haven’t died yet but don’t use that as suggesting there is no proof I’m not immortal !

Thank you, sense at last. It is indeed common sense and when we look at the dross we sign, it is common sense to say our budget is really quite unremarkable.

The day York signed Dipo Akinyemi for an undisclosed fee (Ayr local press say c£300k) the York Chairman Uggla was quoted as saying "today's a great day for breaking records", their record signing at the time had been £140k so big spending, regardless of the actual number, at this level.

The press? The owner?

Oooo me sides.

How do we know stockport arent paying the other 50 players they have 250 quid a week though? its all guesswork but educated guesswork,very similar to the educated guesswork at pools. Being serious though we all know Stockport are paying ridiculous wages compared to pools, their quality is their for everyone to see, pools quality is their for everyone to see, we buy cheap and have to buy 10 to find one good one

OK nobody has spent anything because of undisclosed transfer fees. But surely that means we could have outspent them all who knows?
You're making nonsense of your own argument that we must have a poor budget because we've got poor players, surely therefore to get good players they must have spent fortunes. Unless there's some good talent and potential spotters about, or some good coaches and managers, etc???

Thank you put in a better way.

I know that i have been making these points for the last 3 year regarding pools, anyone without the tinted glasses on can see we are doing it on the cheap and the wrexhams stockports notts countys etc are doing it by spending ridiculous sums.

I genuinely don't think we're doing it on the cheap, nothing to do with rose tinted glasses more that over the last 2 years I believe a lot of money was squandered by the employment of Hartley and his motley Heroes. To attract them we must have been offering attractive packages to relocate and work for us.
I also genuinely believe that of the 10 clubs immediately above us there won't be too many with bigger budgets, obviously we'll never know but I'd be very surprised if our budget isn't among the top 8 at worst.

Basically it is distinctly average. We are doing nothing different with our signings and loans than your bog standard NL side with far smaller attendances than us. Difference is, a lot of these clubs have a long term strategy and a culture. We lurch from crisis to crisis and don't plan, we react. Very poor.

At some stage we have to accept that overnight success rarely happens at any club.
All we can hope for is that when the new board is in place and we've got our transfer dealings done we can get a good start and therefore build a base to develop the longer term plan and culture.
One thing with regard to the culture thar surprises me is the fact that Tony Sweeney was touted as being mentored with a view to being manager one day yet it seems he's not interested in taking the job permanently. If he's content to be coach and we're not performing how many managers do we sack but keep the coach?

Thanks
It’s really bizarre how people see being unable to infer something logically
Is some sort of virtue

How dare you buy a t-shirt ahead of summer, until we see it no one can possibly claim it will be warmer than Winter !

What day will this ‘new board’ have ? For better or worse it’s singhs club until he sells and we are at the mercy of his decison making process

Well we'll just have to wait and see won't we, he said he's going to take a step back so surely that's what a lot have been shouting for.

That is the fact of the matter. Until he sells or walks away he is all we have as I have been pointing out ever since the campaign started to get him out. He holds all the cards and there is nothing none of us can do, unless we can convince him by reasonable argument to sell. The vitriol that has been thrown at him is not reasonable argument. We have to be realistic and speak with one voice. Is that even possible. Knocking spots off Raj and each other has achieved nothing.
Will this new board make any significant changes for the better, who knows.
We have an irresistible force trying to topple an immovable object and neither intends to give way.
I am hoping that this new initiative will begin to show light at the end of the tunnel but I am not holding my breath nor am I going to do anything that could derail it.

I think Raj is in this for the adulation of us fans and the prestige of owning a professional football club. I think he would soon sell up if he had a stadium full of people who were fed up with him and told him as much. I do not advocate for waiting for yet another false dawn. This club has to change hands at some point, no point in being queasy about it.

This new board… it’s a fig leaf isn’t it. Will only ever be yes men or being generous maybe the odd naive fan.

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Had the crowds dropped down to 2500 instead of the 4000 which is outrageous then the takeover would of probably went thru.
If the full ambition is to get back to the fourth division n finish 3rd bottom or just above then that's a very sad Adulation.
Previous owners would of been made aware that is unacceptable ambition.
Obviously opinions will differ but looks like the demise of HUFC looks set to continue unless fairy tales ain't false.

Yep, Raj thinks he can turn it around..... again

Well let's hope he's right rather than relishing in the prospect (hope I suspect for some in here??) that he doesn't.

Ah that old chestnut that always gets wheeled out, the 'some in here' gleefully rubbing their hands together when Pools are shit (they must have sore hands these days). Those mysterious 'some in here' people really know how to be stealthy, its almost as if they don't exist........ unless you have some names?

I did say "I suspect" so no I'm not naming anyone.
I prefer to live in hope that things can get better rather than look for negatives, pick fault, and predict doom and gloom constantly.
Raj made a huge mistake in appointing Hartley and allowing him to sign piss poor players on 2 year contracts and that is still hurting us massively imo.
We've got a chance for a relatively fresh start this close season and like every season I'm full of hope for better things. And at the end of the day hasn't Raj got a history of first saving us then overseeing our promotion back into the efl? Who's to say what's around the corner?

Well yes, to be fair, I don't think there was a single Pools fan relishing the prospect of us losing in Bristol. Every Pools fan wants the best for the club but opinions vary on how that is best achieved. I wouldn't question anyone's support, even if I whole-heartedly disagree with them on some things.

I've got no problem with Raj per se and he's had years of free rein to build the club how he sees fit. His character seems to be though, that he's insecure and therefore surrounds himself with yes men, makes short-term, sometimes contradictory decisions and his statements create more questions than answers - he's just not a good communicator and unfortunately he doesn't seem to take advice on this. I think his biggest mistake was going on the radio and trying to split the fan base (well succeeding actually), which is a tactic he employed at Darlington. The 'some people don't like me' line is used as a threat to walk away... it just doesn't have to be that way.

On Hartley, I don't hold that against Raj at all. He was badly advised and these things happen unfortunately.

There's a few old chestnuts that get wheeled out. You can be guardian of the old chestnuts if you like. You must highlight them all though and not just the ones that suit you. It's called being fair and balanced. Go on have a go, you might enjoy it.

Are we doing it on the cheap? No we are doing it on the budget we can afford. We would all like a budget that IOR gave their managers but sadly at the moment Raj is not in that league and until somebody comes along we will just struggle along.

Nah I'll leave it to the experts.

Pure bullshit to suggest any Poolies not wanting success.
Shape up.

Is it bullshit to suggest that Raj doesn't want success too then, there's some on here do exactly that and very regularly?

there are different levels though on what success means. success to a club like dorking and maidenhead owners and fans are at a lower level than what we regard as success. if we eventually get back into the league what we might feel that success is for us by staying in the league will be lower than other clubs.

Sidespin reply.
Running a football club is a total different ball game to care homes n shops on edges of streets.
Obviously a lot more customers at Pools.

This thread is like the Gaza thread, two diametrically opposed viewpoints and both have right on their side.

I'm sure he wants as much success as he can possibly achieve in both businesses. Or do some genuinely believe he wants Pools to fail?