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 Post subject: More of Moore
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:58 pm 
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Wilson has told the mail that he is "thrilled" with Moore.

So I think the will Porter start for a few weeks debate is over.


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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Wilson is in danger of undoing all the great work he did last season if he persists with Moore over Porter. It's so obvious it's unfunny.

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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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The longer Porter has the wait the hungrier he will be. Well thats the only arguement I can see for not playing him ahead of Moore.
I'm not one who thinks Moore is a waste of space, I think he could be a good player for us. But when Porter has come on he's been much more of a threat.


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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This is the first issue I've questioned Wilson's judgement on. How can he not see that Porter and Barker will create more chances than Moore and Barker? Moore is full of endeavour but he's not linking up with Barker, who is also working his arse off, and he has barely looked a threat at all so far. And with a career average of a goal every 0.15 games, there's nothing to suggest he's going to become a goal threat. By all means use him late on to try and close down tired legs, but by starting him you're taking a lot of the threat and creativity out of our front line. And how is Joel going to get match fit, coming on with 5 minutes to go? Come on Wilson, Joel has undoubted class.


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:26 pm 
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Do you not think the signing of Moore ahead of Boyd is also a tad questionable? Of course, it may not have been quite as simple as that, but I'm still wondering why not Boyd.

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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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To be fair to the lad nobody is trying harder and you can't expect any player to make an immediate and consistant impact. They reckon that these big money players in the premiership are allowed a full season to 'adjust'

I personally prefer Porter because of his goals record against Moore's but I reckon he deserves a bit of slack.


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:37 pm 
at the end of the day wilson is manager and we should respect his judgement, he has been around more and knows more about players then us, maybe he sees something we dont? roll on pools, just get behind the player lads


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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My only big criticism of Danny Wilson is that he seems to be very stubborn. He seems to insist on playing his 'favourites' possibly to justify why he signed them. Maybe Ken would be on him like a tonne of bricks if he dropped Moore, Ali Gibb, Antwi etc etc.

Playing Moore instead of Porter will harm us in the short and the long term imho. In the short term we will score fewer goals and in the long term Porter will leave. Gloomy I know, but I think most of us can see it

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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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linighan,we got half a million for Boyd,do you really think theres any way Luton would let us have him back.
Unless we are in front at half time I expect Porter to get 45 minutes on Saturday.

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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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Luton wanted rid of Boyd, he would of been a snip at 150k like the offer that Darlo had accepted so I am sure he would of been a decent signing for nowt. Anyway we have Ian Moore instead so all is well with the world.....


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:07 pm 
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Luton wanted rid of Boyd, he would of been a snip at 150k like the offer that Darlo had accepted so I am sure he would of been a decent signing for nowt. Anyway we have Ian Moore instead so all is well with the world.....



fecking hell Jonny, give it a rest, you are like a stuck fucking record


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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TalbotAvenger wrote:
Jonny wrote:
Luton wanted rid of Boyd, he would of been a snip at 150k like the offer that Darlo had accepted so I am sure he would of been a decent signing for nowt. Anyway we have Ian Moore instead so all is well with the world.....



fecking hell Jonny, give it a rest, you are like a stuck f*** record


I'm glad you remember my contributions so well. But why don't you comment on the issue and topic in the thread rather than just writing tripe......?


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:21 pm 
Jonny wrote:
TalbotAvenger wrote:
Jonny wrote:
Luton wanted rid of Boyd, he would of been a snip at 150k like the offer that Darlo had accepted so I am sure he would of been a decent signing for nowt. Anyway we have Ian Moore instead so all is well with the world.....



fecking hell Jonny, give it a rest, you are like a stuck f*** record


I'm glad you remember my contributions so well. But why don't you comment on the issue and topic in the thread rather than just writing tripe......?


Because you are kicking the lungs out of an argument which isnt really an argument
Boyd DOESNT play for us, Moore does, we are in the top half of the table but still the chin rubbing, sage old 'weeelllllll if Wilson keeps picking is favourites' and other such pearls of wisdom.

try and be P O S I T I V E, these are GREAT times to be a Pools fan, or is your glass continually empty???


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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Danny Wilson is hardly going to say "I've made a big mistake in signing Ian Moore". I am sure his comments are to support and motivate Moore. From what I have seen, heard on PW and had fed back to me by those that have seen he is hard working has a lot of the ball but rarely looks like scoring. Whilst he has possession he takes the pressure of other players especially the defence. To my mind this is the role Barker performed last year plus he scored goals as well (although quite a few were penalties). Like many, I would like to see a more exciting player alongside Barker and that would probably be Porter or possibly Foley of the current squad. I also like the 'raw' skill of Michael Mackay and would like to see him at least as a sub. What it does show is that we have a good squad and are doing well at the moment - long may it continue.


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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No my glass is not empty but i happen to want Pools to stay in the top half and preferably in the play off posistions. You may not of noticed but HUFC aren't a two bob rag tag outfit anymore, we support a respectable football club with good owners who back the manager. We are now on a level playing field with the likes of Forest and Leeds but improvement should continually be strived for.... We are not really where we want to be yet are we? Just because Pools were shite once it doesn't mean that we should be so greatful to the football gods that we are no longer in Division Four. i can daydream about HUFC's good times when I'm an old codger, presently I'm hungry for more success and with the improvements in the right area's that success is all the more achievable.......


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:37 pm 
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No my glass is not empty but i happen to want Pools to stay in the top half and preferably in the play off posistions. You may not of noticed but HUFC aren't a two bob rag tag outfit anymore, we support a respectable football club with good owners who back the manager. We are now on a level playing field with the likes of Forest and Leeds but improvement should continually be strived for.... We are not really where we want to be yet are we? Just because Pools were shite once it doesn't mean that we should be so greatful to the football gods that we are no longer in Division Four. i can daydream about HUFC's good times when I'm an old codger, presently I'm hungry for more success and with the improvements in the right area's that success is all the more achievable.......




I have noticed Jonny, because I have supported them for 19 years now, you dont have to be 'greatful', we all want the club to be have more success, but you seem to offer very little in the way of praise and only seem to be able to whinge

I dont want this to go back and forth like a game of table tennis, you just seem like the kind of lad who could whinge under water

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How can we be on a 'level' playing field with teams like Leeds & Forest???, they have bigger crowds, bigger squads and therefore can afford to pay more wages then we do!


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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But i don't complain for the sake of it. The concerns that i had at the start of the season are now being highlighted by other people in other threads but they aren't getting any grief. There are too many people on here who rather than red what has been said and discuss things sensibly, they are more concerned with who has posted the remark.

And we are on a level playing field with Forest because they pick 11 players, we pick 11 players and on the day we can beat them and take the 3 points.


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:08 pm 
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But i don't complain for the sake of it. The concerns that i had at the start of the season are now being highlighted by other people in other threads but they aren't getting any grief. There are too many people on here who rather than red what has been said and discuss things sensibly, they are more concerned with who has posted the remark.

And we are on a level playing field with Forest because they pick 11 players, we pick 11 players and on the day we can beat them and take the 3 points.



So that means we are on a level playing field with the Arse, Liverscouse and Man Ure, oh and Juve and Barca come to think of it!


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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ElvisCsGlasses(TM) wrote:
Jonny wrote:
But i don't complain for the sake of it. The concerns that i had at the start of the season are now being highlighted by other people in other threads but they aren't getting any grief. There are too many people on here who rather than red what has been said and discuss things sensibly, they are more concerned with who has posted the remark.

And we are on a level playing field with Forest because they pick 11 players, we pick 11 players and on the day we can beat them and take the 3 points.


Because the concerns aren't coming true are they? Whats there to be "concerned" about after 2 wins out of 3? We'd piss promotion with that record.


With all due respect Mr Costello you own a huge pair of rose tinted spectacles. You love pools to a point where it's seems like it hurts you to constructively criticise anything. i am well aware that we have won 2 from 3 but that record will not continue if our strikers continue to fail to score from open play. in the big scheme of things all that matters is that Pools win but there is still room for improvement would you not agree.

What is your opinion on the goalkeepers Mr Costello?

What is your opinion on the strikers?

If you don't like to comment on team selections and are happy to go along ith the ride that Danny Wilson drives then that is your choice but some people like to comment on performances and where things could be improved and that should be respected.


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:40 pm 
Can I just add that for a good 12 months not many people rated Joel Porter, he didn't hold a regular first team place and didn't score many goals. It was only around the November period of his second season as a Pools player he really started to impress.

Many of the these message board experts who slagged off Joel then will be the same people who are saying Moore is shite now. I think Joel should be starting at the moment but I'm not prepared to say someone isn't a good player after 5 games in a Pools shirt. Moore in the long run could turn out to be a better player, I think he should be given a fair chance its not his fault he is being picked ahead of Joel.


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Jonny wrote:
But i don't complain for the sake of it. The concerns that i had at the start of the season are now being highlighted by other people in other threads but they aren't getting any grief. There are too many people on here who rather than red what has been said and discuss things sensibly, they are more concerned with who has posted the remark.

And we are on a level playing field with Forest because they pick 11 players, we pick 11 players and on the day we can beat them and take the 3 points.



So that means we are on a level playing field with the Arse, Liverscouse and Man Ure, oh and Juve and Barca come to think of it!


They are not proper teams, i have no concern for them.

Answer me this - When Pools play Leeds at the vic on boxing day do you expect to win?


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ElvisCsGlasses(TM) wrote:
Jonny wrote:
But i don't complain for the sake of it. The concerns that i had at the start of the season are now being highlighted by other people in other threads but they aren't getting any grief. There are too many people on here who rather than red what has been said and discuss things sensibly, they are more concerned with who has posted the remark.

And we are on a level playing field with Forest because they pick 11 players, we pick 11 players and on the day we can beat them and take the 3 points.


Because the concerns aren't coming true are they? Whats there to be "concerned" about after 2 wins out of 3? We'd piss promotion with that record.


Ever the eternal optimist! 2 wins from 3 is great but it could well have been 3 from 3 with Joel playing rolf

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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:48 pm 
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Jonny wrote:
But i don't complain for the sake of it. The concerns that i had at the start of the season are now being highlighted by other people in other threads but they aren't getting any grief. There are too many people on here who rather than red what has been said and discuss things sensibly, they are more concerned with who has posted the remark.

And we are on a level playing field with Forest because they pick 11 players, we pick 11 players and on the day we can beat them and take the 3 points.


Because the concerns aren't coming true are they? Whats there to be "concerned" about after 2 wins out of 3? We'd piss promotion with that record.


Ever the eternal optimist! 2 wins from 3 is great but it could well have been 3 from 3 with Joel playing rolf


Joel missed a sitter at 1-1 in the 118th minute, imagine the pelters Moore would have got for that?


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:13 pm 
Not impressed with Moore as yet, but agree with Mr ECG we have a pretty good record so far so am prepared to give the lad a chance

Would prefer to see Joel start & Moore on the bench if I'm honest

Would also like to see Foley get a start - although perhaps his perfect role is "supersub" there to mix things up when they become a little stale?


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Where did foley play when he came on? Some of the commentry said he played on the left. i can remember him starting one game up front and that was against Chesterfield a few years back and he was awesome.....


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he played on the left

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Listen. Your glass is 33% empty, mine is 66% full.

And mine falls right into the 1% that isn't covered! :grin:

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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:10 am 
We're scoring well enough goals compared to how many we scored last season. It doesn't matter who scores them, just like last season when the top scorer had nine goals. We haven't failed to score in a game so far this season, two of the games have been against higher league opposition, we've still scored. We have improved in that we're doing well amongst a better standard of player/team compared to last season. The pressure you people are heaping on Joel is so immense that he can't possibly live up to expectations. Half the team's got goals in it.

Does it matter who is in the team as long as the performances and results are there?? We've lost twice but haven't laid down and died or got hammered. We could have expected to lose in those games.

And Jonny, Adam Boyd's not coming back. Write it on the back of your hand. :wink:


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Can we not kidnap Moore on Saturday morning?? sctatchinghead

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it's been a good year for the rose tinted glasses.

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i would rather watch a rubbish game were we win 2-1 and grind out a result than us play great skillful football and loose, like norway and denmark a couple of years ago pele said "they bore you to death for 89 minutes and then go up the other end and score, but they get results" i would take that any day

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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:15 pm 
I suppose it's really just a matter then, of do you want to see Pools beat Notts Forest and leeds 1-0 or batter darlo 3-0?? If the lads grind their way into the Championship, or we get another exhilarating run to the end of May, what do we want?? That or 6-0 against Dagenham?? Which surely is like kicking a distempered dog??

What do you think five spots?? Your new sign on looks like a liquorice allsort by the way, had to be food related somehow didn't it?? I'll track down a picture when I can be arsed and show everyone. I hope you finish your period without too much tummy ache, try a hot water bottle and three pounds of Galaxy. Worked for our pet hippo..... :grin: :grin: :grin:


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I think I will leave it to my more articulate son to give the Billingham Branch view on things.

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It was probably a combination of the two. But I think primarily, it was usually a case of get a one goal lead, job done. If we did inadvertantly conceed an equaliser I always felt we had the nouse to go straight up and take the lead again. Danny Wilson's view seems to be why waste energy chasing bigger scores, a 1-0 gets you the 3 points, save yourself for the next game. Thats just my view like. The oracle himself is out with his 2 brothers watching Ross Noble at the Forum.

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chip fireball wrote:
kind of backfired at the crucial point, notts county and bristol rovers.

i suppose a lot of us hoped when we went one up against rovers we would have what it took to see the game out.

never mind.

i cant say i shared your belief that we were always gonna hang on to the lead last season. i nearly had a heart attack in at least 4 games towards the end of the campaign. it was a welcome relief to relax and enjoy the last 20 minutes of the darlo game.

anyway nice article from billingham junior. whats he doing working for rivals though ? sctatchinghead


Guess no plan is perfect, and as you say it didn't work well at the end of the season, c'est la vie.

Can't really say he 'works' for Rivals as he doesn't get paid for it. But he likes to keep his writing skills up to speed. He doesn't post on here, usually, as he likes to spend a little time putting some thought into his articles. He can't knock out an incisive missive at the drop of a hat like you can Chip. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:18 pm 
told him to come to the bizz banghead


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 Post subject: Re: More of Moore
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He has however, got three hands..... :shock: :shock: :shock: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


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