These four players & KP

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

The four we have signed so far this month are top quality at this level. It's a shame it has taken this long to start signing good player after good player but its still a huge step forward for this club at these times. We now have in my opinion a manager who is well capable of achieving success here and a group of 7/8 players ( some on loan but will sign in time in my opinion ) who are good enough to be part of a promotion push if not this season definitely next. Once KP gets the rest of the squad assembled we will be well and truly back on track to success. It really is time for everyone to support KP and the players especially the new players who deserve our backing for coming here in the first place which is a risk in itself. Please don't tell me these players couldn’t get fixed up elsewhere because that would be very stupid. Go take a look at what these players are capable off and you will sharp change your views. Better still watch these boys perform in the coming weeks because believe
me they certainly will be fans favourites. UTP

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36539

Leggie43 wrote:

The four we have signed so far this month are top quality at this level. It's a shame it has taken this long to start signing good player after good player but its still a huge step forward for this club at these times. We now have in my opinion a manager who is well capable of achieving success here and a group of 7/8 players ( some on loan but will sign in time in my opinion ) who are good enough to be part of a promotion push if not this season definitely next. Once KP gets the rest of the squad assembled we will be well and truly back on track to success. It really is time for everyone to support KP and the players especially the new players who deserve our backing for coming here in the first place which is a risk in itself. Please don't tell me these players couldn’t get fixed up elsewhere because that would be very stupid. Go take a look at what these players are capable off and you will sharp change your views. Better still watch these boys perform in the coming weeks because believe
me they certainly will be fans favourites. UTP

It’s all about what happens on the pitch, the politics excite some people more than the game playing on the grass.

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3732

lets hold our horses we have only seen 1 of them play (Parkes) who looks good, , the least said about Doofus the better

Waterfall has a good pedigree, the other two who knows.

thebigdog · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:49 pm **Posts:** 1271

Snowy wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

The four we have signed so far this month are top quality at this level. It's a shame it has taken this long to start signing good player after good player but its still a huge step forward for this club at these times. We now have in my opinion a manager who is well capable of achieving success here and a group of 7/8 players ( some on loan but will sign in time in my opinion ) who are good enough to be part of a promotion push if not this season definitely next. Once KP gets the rest of the squad assembled we will be well and truly back on track to success. It really is time for everyone to support KP and the players especially the new players who deserve our backing for coming here in the first place which is a risk in itself. Please don't tell me these players couldn’t get fixed up elsewhere because that would be very stupid. Go take a look at what these players are capable off and you will sharp change your views. Better still watch these boys perform in the coming weeks because believe
me they certainly will be fans favourites. UTP

It’s all about what happens on the pitch, the politics excite some people more than the game playing on the grass.

You don’t see it on the grass pal, just through the ears.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

thebigdog wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

The four we have signed so far this month are top quality at this level. It's a shame it has taken this long to start signing good player after good player but its still a huge step forward for this club at these times. We now have in my opinion a manager who is well capable of achieving success here and a group of 7/8 players ( some on loan but will sign in time in my opinion ) who are good enough to be part of a promotion push if not this season definitely next. Once KP gets the rest of the squad assembled we will be well and truly back on track to success. It really is time for everyone to support KP and the players especially the new players who deserve our backing for coming here in the first place which is a risk in itself. Please don't tell me these players couldn’t get fixed up elsewhere because that would be very stupid. Go take a look at what these players are capable off and you will sharp change your views. Better still watch these boys perform in the coming weeks because believe
me they certainly will be fans favourites. UTP

It’s all about what happens on the pitch, the politics excite some people more than the game playing on the grass.

You don’t see it on the grass pal, just through the ears.

You will start to see it on the grass over the next few games

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8992

loyal_fan wrote:

lets hold our horses we have only seen 1 of them play (Parkes) who looks good, , the least said about Doofus the better

Waterfall has a good pedigree, the other two who knows.

Remember years ago a fellow poolie said this Barry Wardrobe signing is mint.
Best to judge signings after a few games in the blue n white.

and

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3962

Yeah we've had plenty arrive having done well at other clubs. All about what they do on the pitch for us.
On paper they look good, adding solidity at the back and pace and width have going forward are definitely areas we've been lacking.
I think we need to see a dramatically improved performance today to get everyone in the ground behind the team. Hopefully any protest will be outwith the 90 minutes and won't affect the players.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4388

PTID wrote:

Yeah we've had plenty arrive having done well at other clubs. All about what they do on the pitch for us.
On paper they look good, adding solidity at the back and pace and width have going forward are definitely areas we've been lacking.
I think we need to see a dramatically improved performance today to get everyone in the ground behind the team. Hopefully any protest will be outwith the 90 minutes and won't affect the players.

If the players cant get up for today, with a new manager, big crowd and new signings then what hope do we have?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36539

thebigdog wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Leggie43 wrote:

The four we have signed so far this month are top quality at this level. It's a shame it has taken this long to start signing good player after good player but its still a huge step forward for this club at these times. We now have in my opinion a manager who is well capable of achieving success here and a group of 7/8 players ( some on loan but will sign in time in my opinion ) who are good enough to be part of a promotion push if not this season definitely next. Once KP gets the rest of the squad assembled we will be well and truly back on track to success. It really is time for everyone to support KP and the players especially the new players who deserve our backing for coming here in the first place which is a risk in itself. Please don't tell me these players couldn’t get fixed up elsewhere because that would be very stupid. Go take a look at what these players are capable off and you will sharp change your views. Better still watch these boys perform in the coming weeks because believe
me they certainly will be fans favourites. UTP

It’s all about what happens on the pitch, the politics excite some people more than the game playing on the grass.

You don’t see it on the grass pal, just through the ears.

Try translating that in to plain English.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36539

loyal_fan wrote:

lets hold our horses we have only seen 1 of them play (Parkes) who looks good, , the least said about Doofus the better

Waterfall has a good pedigree, the other two who knows.

Not hard to differentiate between you and a Ray of sunshine, seroisly.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19052

PTID wrote:

Yeah we've had plenty arrive having done well at other clubs. All about what they do on the pitch for us.
On paper they look good, adding solidity at the back and pace and width have going forward are definitely areas we've been lacking.
I think we need to see a dramatically improved performance today to get everyone in the ground behind the team. Hopefully any protest will be outwith the 90 minutes and won't affect the players.

they are the type of signings hartley should have made. if they repeat the form they showed at previous clubs on top of the few decent ones we have we would not have gone down last season if they,d all have been with us.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19052

loyal_fan wrote:

lets hold our horses we have only seen 1 of them play (Parkes) who looks good, , the least said about Doofus the better

Waterfall has a good pedigree, the other two who knows.

the other ones have an advantage as they replaced poor players and do not need to be brilliant to be better than them. easier than coming in to replace a fans favourite.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 6783

kevin pooles gloves wrote:

loyal_fan wrote:

lets hold our horses we have only seen 1 of them play (Parkes) who looks good, , the least said about Doofus the better

Waterfall has a good pedigree, the other two who knows.

Remember years ago a fellow poolie said this Barry Wardrobe signing is mint.
Best to judge signings after a few games in the blue n white.

and

I,ve seen Waterfall many a time and unless something has gone wrong, He is exactly what we need.

KP said we are 9th in the goalscoreing table, Its the other end that is crippiling us.
Need to start putting away chances though.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

loyal_fan wrote:

lets hold our horses we have only seen 1 of them play (Parkes) who looks good, , the least said about Doofus the better

Waterfall has a good pedigree, the other two who knows.

I forgot about Dufus and I don't rate him. The two defenders and the two wingers you can look at on YouTube and its plain to see these four at really good players.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Already starting to show what good signings they are

Bill1791 · **Joined:** Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:54 am **Posts:** 4

No offence to KP but Askey was instrumental in getting Parkes and Waterfall in to Hartlepool, pity he wasn’t given a few more games especially with Mancini and Mani coming back from injury.

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3732

Bill1791 wrote:

No offence to KP but Askey was instrumental in getting Parkes and Waterfall in to Hartlepool, pity he wasn’t given a few more games especially with Mancini and Mani coming back from injury.

Agreed

Gerry Mandrake · **Joined:** Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:23 pm **Posts:** 1405

Bill1791 wrote:

No offence to KP but Askey was instrumental in getting Parkes and Waterfall in to Hartlepool, pity he wasn’t given a few more games especially with Mancini and Mani coming back from injury.

Half the problem with Askey was the bloke seemed defeated. In his interviews and on the touchline he seemed like it was all too much for him. Came across as a really nice bloke and I believe he's a good manager but I think a break would do him well.

Pools need a manager who is fired up, just the nature of the club/area/fans. Someone who really connects and has the energy.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7138

In his post match interview Phillips is hoping to bring another player in this week.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36539

Bill1791 wrote:

No offence to KP but Askey was instrumental in getting Parkes and Waterfall in to Hartlepool, pity he wasn’t given a few more games especially with Mancini and Mani coming back from injury.

Where did you get this information from?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36539

Gerry Mandrake wrote:

Bill1791 wrote:

No offence to KP but Askey was instrumental in getting Parkes and Waterfall in to Hartlepool, pity he wasn’t given a few more games especially with Mancini and Mani coming back from injury.

Half the problem with Askey was the bloke seemed defeated. In his interviews and on the touchline he seemed like it was all too much for him. Came across as a really nice bloke and I believe he's a good manager but I think a break would do him well.

Pools need a manager who is fired up, just the nature of the club/area/fans. Someone who really connects and has the energy.

Askey looked perpetually de-motivated….a man resigned to not succeeding …he wa no motivator…a pleasant fellow but lacked the drive needed.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3962

Askey looked a great manager when he first cane in, but something happened just before Grimsby and I don't believe it was just a Syllabus thing. This season we started like a house on fire but lost key players and fell to pieces, unfortunately Askey was too risk averse to change things when we were on a bad run, when we did bring players in since the start of the season the vast majority were players he's had before to fit his one dimensional style of play.
Also he self admitted he couldn't get the team to follow his instructions, nor could he motivate the players to play at a high level consistently or to scrap for everything as they did yesterday.

The signing of the 2 big experienced CBs and wingers and a more direct way of playing is exactly what most of us have been crying out for - how many times have we heard "ffs shoot / get a cross in"?

Well done KP, now let's see you get them up for it again next week.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4388

PTID wrote:

Askey looked a great manager when he first cane in, but something happened just before Grimsby and I don't believe it was just a Syllabus thing. This season we started like a house on fire but lost key players and fell to pieces, unfortunately Askey was too risk averse to change things when we were on a bad run, when we did bring players in since the start of the season the vast majority were players he's had before to fit his one dimensional style of play.
Also he self admitted he couldn't get the team to follow his instructions, nor could he motivate the players to play at a high level consistently or to scrap for everything as they did yesterday.

If only we could get a midfield runner similar to a jon cullen miller type, think it would transform us, at times yesterday in the first half midfield was a little too slow, we sort of ran out of ideas a bit, luckily kev changed it brought some life on.
The signing of the 2 big experienced CBs and wingers and a more direct way of playing is exactly what most of us have been crying out for - how many times have we heard "ffs shoot / get a cross in"?

Well done KP, now let's see you get them up for it again next week.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19052

Gerry Mandrake wrote:

Bill1791 wrote:

No offence to KP but Askey was instrumental in getting Parkes and Waterfall in to Hartlepool, pity he wasn’t given a few more games especially with Mancini and Mani coming back from injury.

Half the problem with Askey was the bloke seemed defeated. In his interviews and on the touchline he seemed like it was all too much for him. Came across as a really nice bloke and I believe he's a good manager but I think a break would do him well.

Pools need a manager who is fired up, just the nature of the club/area/fans. Someone who really connects and has the energy.

askey looked to have got the weight of the world on his shoulders where everything that could go wrong did and he was expecting it to happen. think thats what KP is on about when he said about getting rid of negativity at the club. askey also gave you a feeling of being someone who is always unlucky in their life which cannot help with his dressing room talks where the players would more than likely be in tears rather than wound up for the game.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12323

Bill1791 wrote:

No offence to KP but Askey was instrumental in getting Parkes and Waterfall in to Hartlepool, pity he wasn’t given a few more games especially with Mancini and Mani coming back from injury.

I take it that you know this so the question I would ask is everybody knew we needed CB's like those two so why did it take so long for the penny to drop with JA.

Bill1791 · **Joined:** Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:54 am **Posts:** 4

Spoke to JA yesterday he mentioned Parkes and Waterfall, he knows Waterfall from Macclesfield, he was trying to get players in all the time but were no better than what he had at the time.

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

Bill1791 wrote:

Spoke to JA yesterday he mentioned Parkes and Waterfall, he knows Waterfall from Macclesfield, he was trying to get players in all the time but were no better than what he had at the time.

So if you know JA ask him if he had a decent budget please

Bill1791 · **Joined:** Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:54 am **Posts:** 4

Sorry won’t divulge that information, but let’s put it this way Chesterfields bench cost more than Hartlepools starting eleven in the game earlier this season.

Ozzy Saltburn · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:34 pm **Posts:** 3715

accrington fan wrote:

Gerry Mandrake wrote:

Bill1791 wrote:

No offence to KP but Askey was instrumental in getting Parkes and Waterfall in to Hartlepool, pity he wasn’t given a few more games especially with Mancini and Mani coming back from injury.

Half the problem with Askey was the bloke seemed defeated. In his interviews and on the touchline he seemed like it was all too much for him. Came across as a really nice bloke and I believe he's a good manager but I think a break would do him well.

Pools need a manager who is fired up, just the nature of the club/area/fans. Someone who really connects and has the energy.

askey looked to have got the weight of the world on his shoulders where everything that could go wrong did and he was expecting it to happen. think thats what KP is on about when he said about getting rid of negativity at the club. askey also gave you a feeling of being someone who is always unlucky in their life which cannot help with his dressing room talks where the players would more than likely be in tears rather than wound up for the game.

Dont know if anyone remembers a comedy sketch show called "The Fast Show". There was a character on it called "Unlucky Alf". Worth searching for it on You tube. JA remineded me of him at times. On the whole I liked JA but I realize he had to go. Wish him every success in the future.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 8992

Snowy wrote:

Gerry Mandrake wrote:

Bill1791 wrote:

No offence to KP but Askey was instrumental in getting Parkes and Waterfall in to Hartlepool, pity he wasn’t given a few more games especially with Mancini and Mani coming back from injury.

Half the problem with Askey was the bloke seemed defeated. In his interviews and on the touchline he seemed like it was all too much for him. Came across as a really nice bloke and I believe he's a good manager but I think a break would do him well.

Pools need a manager who is fired up, just the nature of the club/area/fans. Someone who really connects and has the energy.

Askey looked perpetually de-motivated….a man resigned to not succeeding …he wa no motivator…a pleasant fellow but lacked the drive needed.

After he got past his probation period.
He throw the towel in knowing his 3 year contract would keep his bank account ticking over.
Dident like the way he got cult status for what he did at Maccy n division 6 York.

Just glad he's history and the hope and expectation levels have returned.
UTP.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36539

He struck me as ‘tired’, demotivated and demotivating to the players….players need a cuddle or a kick delivered with passion but it soon became apparent he’d last any enthusiasm.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19052

listening to askey he always reminded me of myself. someone who always expected things to go wrong and dragged others down by his personality. not something that endears themselves to fans, players and those who employed him.

PTID · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:07 pm **Posts:** 3962

F*ck me don't be so hard on yourself mate

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

PTID wrote:

F*ck me don't be so hard on yourself mate

loyal_fan · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:15 pm **Posts:** 3732

I liked Askey, feel like he was let down by the players, would be interesting to know if he had a budget to bring improvements in

Leggie43 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:55 am **Posts:** 7286

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

PTID wrote:

Askey looked a great manager when he first cane in, but something happened just before Grimsby and I don't believe it was just a Syllabus thing. This season we started like a house on fire but lost key players and fell to pieces, unfortunately Askey was too risk averse to change things when we were on a bad run, when we did bring players in since the start of the season the vast majority were players he's had before to fit his one dimensional style of play.
Also he self admitted he couldn't get the team to follow his instructions, nor could he motivate the players to play at a high level consistently or to scrap for everything as they did yesterday.

If only we could get a midfield runner similar to a jon cullen miller type, think it would transform us, at times yesterday in the first half midfield was a little too slow, we sort of ran out of ideas a bit, luckily kev changed it brought some life on.
The signing of the 2 big experienced CBs and wingers and a more direct way of playing is exactly what most of us have been crying out for - how many times have we heard "ffs shoot / get a cross in"?

Well done KP, now let's see you get them up for it again next week.

We already have a midfield runner in Mancini but he played out wide on Saturday. I hope KP puts him in the middle at Bromley because he will destroy them. If he is left out wide he will end up losing his place in the team. Surely Sweenie will be telling KP this lad is the best attacking midfielder in this league

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