He is being slated on their forum with most wanting him gone!

There's mention (cheeky bar stewards) that JA would make the perfect fit if DC is sacked. Even to the point that JA has just signed a new 3 contract and they are comparing it to DC's last few days here.

ABC ..it's easy as 123...Do re mi,ABC. ?....and fair does to the guinness book of records for keeping up to date with your managerial appointments.

Their delusional self importance is touching…..such a pity they can’t cope with the stress of the success conveyor belt breaking down temporarily.

This is the mention you are referring to:

"Hartlepool top of the NL and their manager (John Askey) just signed a new contract...

Only one I'd be in favour of at the moment, purely for the boiled piss factor."

In other words, it's a mickey take. Not serious. A wind up.

Really hope challinor gets the hook and Powell rinses them
Doing fuck all for 3 years on 8k a week

Think we need to chill out a bit on this one.

JA is a man of integrity and I believe that he will honour the contract, he has just penned. If we're honest DC was very reluctant to sign on in the first place- so maybe we shouldn't have been so surprised!

l wouldn't go so far as saying I hope DC is sacked. But Shitport fans need to get real, and get behind their team. It just shows how many Jonny Come Lately's they've got in their fanbase that this has even been brought up after less than half a dozen games into the new season.

Whilst I was disappointed by the way he departed our beloved club, I will always be thankful for the contribution that DC made in the time he was here. I was there at Orient, during the shitshow that was his last game, but don't wish him any malice going forward. At the end of the day he did what was right for him and his family - as much as it was difficult to take at the time, we need to move on.

John Askey is our Gaffer now and................

We are Top of the League, Said We Are Top of The League!

No, we need to ignore Stockport altogether. We're not in the same division any more and how they get on in League 2 is neither here nor there.

Agree with you that John Askey is not the type of man to break his contract easily, but in any case his record to date as a manager in the EFL is not good. Hopefully he'll change that in the next few years - with Pools.

They’ve had a good run and now when they have a blip (as all teams do) the have the football equivalent of Erectile Disfunction.

just think though how JA would manage if we had 7 of our starters out for yesterdays game and what the team would look like. this is their situation, but like many football fans who understand all their problems in life just cannot understand the problems their football clubs are having and its win at all costs with no reality of the situation coming into it. I,d hazzard a guess its their new fans giving it the challinor out rather than the ones been round for years. if we dig up an extra few thousand it will be these not us who will be first to critice and walk away.

Proper fans know when there’s an off field crisis such as injuries, but the ‘cling ons’ just want success all the time like some sausage factory churning out sausages… you can try educating them in the ways of football but you’d have more success having a conversation with a sprout.

No wind up!

If you have a spare couple of hours today go and read the comments covering about 20 pages on their (mostly) disenchantment with DC after all the financial backing he has had. More so than any other Club in Div 2. They reckon he has a Plan A and when it goes tits up in a game has no other.

By the way I am not saying that if DC went that JA would be in anyway interested. I believe he is here for the long journey and is already showing us what a good Manager he is.

Think it’s too early in the season for Stockport to be asking him after all he nearly got them 2 preseason in a row.

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No wind up!

If you have a spare couple of hours today go and read the comments covering about 20 pages on their (mostly) disenchantment with DC after all the financial backing he has had. More so than any other Club in Div 2. They reckon he has a Plan A and when it goes tits up in a game has no other.

surely we have heard all this before from clubs who get higher gates than others and have a big financial backing. you do not get any bonus points for this apart than it should only give you an edge and no more. againt all that clubs with a leaky pot to piss in love turning these clubs over with players giving a bit extra against their overpaid opponents.

Carrick at the Boro in a worse position than Challinor, 4 games 1 point ?

That's the problem with football today - everybody wants success and win leagues etc.

In the National League after 5 games there are only 2 teams unbeaten, Solihull & Altrincham. It's very similar in many other leagues across the country.

Bit of the reverse, you have Southend if they win tomorrow they will be back in positive points after having 10 deducted.

Not a wind up from you, a wind up from the Stockport fan you quoted. The lads on that Yellow board had a good laugh a couple of seasons ago at how indignant some Poolies got when their millionaire owner pinched Challinor straight after he'd signed a 3 year contract at the Vic. It's football; shit happens.

And if Challinor does get the boot eventually, Askey will be nowhere near the top of Stockport's wish list as a replacement. They'll want someone who has got a side promoted to League One, just like they wanted Chally to get them out of the NL.

Finding the ill will towards DC very weird indeed. Also, he was not reluctant to sign a new contract with us, he just didnt want to sign the two bob contract Raj offered. Raj got there in the end but it took a while.

He was a self aggrandizing manipulator, good manager at this level but also political and two faced….I hope he fails at Stockport

What proof is there it was a ‘two bob contract’….?
That has be pure speculation as he did sign the contract …..and I doubt Raj was gonna give him a Chinese burn if he didn’t.

I can’t believe there are some people on here criticising Challinor . Some of you forget very easily what he did for us. I know that he walked away from us but it is his home club. Football management/playing is a short career with little security. Stockport have many injuries at the moment . I think they will come good and get at least mid table. If I met him I would buy him a pint any day. Good luck in your career Dave and give the guy a break

From a Stockport point of view, they’ve had two extremely successful seasons, but their supporters like most supporters once bitten by success will want that to continue and while he may have done even more for Stockport than he did for Pools ( backed by a wealthy sugar daddy) they are undoubtedly turning on him.
Managers can walk away, but sometimes supporters can, not physically but psychologically, because when success becomes the norm, average is not good enough after success is tasted.
Football is a dicey business, a transient business ….and I may be a bit harsh on this point, but I’d like to see managers contracts on the same terms as players contracts. You want a manager, you pay a fee.

Don't think he deserves a break, his walking out on us was the beginning of the downward spiral to the NL. If he'd been straight about things then fair do's but he went about things in an underhand way and that isn't so easily forgotten or forgiven.
Regarding where they are right now, they had an awful start last season didn't they but still made the play off final.
Football management is a fickle business and he'll lose his job at Stockport and go back on the merrygoround again at some point.
I honestly believe if he'd stayed with us and continued to do reasonably well he'd be managing at a higher level than he currently is right now. Doing well at little old us carries more kudos than failing to get promotion at money bags Stockport imo.

DC did a brilliant job getting us back in the EFL then wanted to take us to the next level. Everything was in place but Chairman Dident want to know.
Like a said a whike back yoyoing in and out of EFL is sticking plaster success.
Expecting a few to say im our of order but i just tell it how it is.
UTP.

Think that some people have forgotten how Raj Singh worked back then. They've also forgotten the taste of all the humble pie they had to eat when they mocked people warning that a shit show was unfolding at HUFC. Twisting history and scapegoating DC, absolutely incredible.

like many traditional lower league clubs i imagine stockport will have a split fanbase after a bit of relative success. it would be same with pools but on a lesser degree. older fans who have seen the lot are just glad for better times where new ones expect promotion on top of promotion. it will be them wanting a 20,000 ground and expecting the club to be the new brentford or bournemouth of the north. they might have a period of success like donny rovers but then they,ll end up like them back where they belong. like we did enjoy it whilst you can lads i doubt it will last.

At least I could admit my mistake over Hartley….but I never had that problem over Challinor, there was nothing to say sorry for.
Challinor no doubt was a good manager, indisputable, but my beef was the nature of his departure and unless you had access to the contract negotiations and the books in general the rest is for the Fairy’s because unless Dave opened his heart to you personally how could you possibly know….?
People tend to tailor their view to suit their own narrative or grudge and there’s always a scapegoat.
Logic tends to defy supposition.

A fair argument Snowy but you don't need a smoking gun here, long ago there were enough dots to join to form a clear picture of how rhings were being run. Hell, I've even acknowledged that a corner may have been turned recently but if it has, its because it NEEDED to be turned and we WERE being steered in the wrong way.

DC left us with an OK squad in an OK position. Was it his fault that the recruitment of a new manager was utterly botched three times in a row after that? Nope. Could we have still been safe and sound in league 2 without DC? Absolutely.

the writing was always on the wall when challinor never moved up here and lived the other side of the country. if he had not gone when he did he would have done so sooner than later. A commute like he had would have got to anyone when you realise there is a job closer even if the money was the same which it was not. we were lucky to have him the period we did and if he had still been at fylde i doubt he,d have applied for the job with us anyway.

Spot on.

What has marred DCs legacy is the fact that he went public about what a shit contract he was on in order to negotiate a better one. He signed a new one and publicly announced how happy he was to get it over the line, the family were moving up and the Son was going to uni at Durham. Whilst behind the scenes he was manipulating a move and wasn't open and honest about his motives for the move (or he wasn't being honest in his interview after the new contract was signed). He left under a cloud which had nothing to do with the football, but simply all about his character.

Slightly off topic - but kind of relevant

It says Shitport have 7 players out injured - firstly how does that happen only a handful of games into the season

Secondly we were plagued with injuries when DC was here too, which makes me question the training methods/ recovery and general fitness??of said players

Askey on the other hand has virtually a fully fit squad to pick from

Two facts that are irrefutable are Raj brought DC to Pools so if Challinor is/was such a good manager then the man who recruited him deserves credit. After all Raj got flak for choosing Hartley and Curle and now he's getting respect for looking after Askey. Two good choices and two bad ones.
The second fact is that Raj negotiated a three year contract with DC, which DC accepted and signed and if DC had honoured that contract neither Lee, Hartley or Curle would have got near the club.
We have a full circle and have given another promising manager a three year deal, similar to what we did with DC.
People are praising Raj for that and rightly so but, at the same time, defending Challinor's role in what has happened and are even prepared to make up comments on DC's contract, even though none of them actually have witness of that contract. The only thing that we can be sure of regarding DC's contract is both he and Raj negotiated it and both agreed to it. Then DC walked away from it. Good manager yes but I wouldn't trust him and unless he pulls Stockport's current fortunes around he'll be replaced just as quickly as he was poached cos that's what happens in football.
Yes he did a good job at Pools but Raj gave him the chance. Then Raj gave him a three year contract and another chance to make it as a football league manager, even though he had no football league managerial experience. That opportunity was subsequently thrown back in Raj's face a few short weeks later.
That's how I see it and no amount of supposition, fairy tales or downright truth manufacturing are going to alter that view.
Some of us stuck with Raj simply because he is all we had and still is until a suitable offer for the club is accepted. Right now a few more are grudgingly joining in and if we continue making the progress we are currently enjoying then Raj hating could possibly be a part of a period in the life of Hartlepool United that we will be glad to forget.

What has marred DCs legacy is the fact that he went public about what a shit contract he was on in order to negotiate a better one.

Not necessarily. Perhaps it was just shit and he was calling a spade a spade?

He signed a new one and publicly announced how happy he was to get it over the line, the family were moving up and the Son was going to uni at Durham.

Perhaps he WAS pleased. Uncertainty isnt pleasant.

Whilst behind the scenes he was manipulating a move and wasn't open and honest about his motives for the move (or he wasn't being honest in his interview after the new contract was signed).

Not known as a fact. Perhaps he was pleased to sign a new deal for pools? Perhaps it was assurance for him and his family? Perhaps he was trying to put a positive spin on it while it wasnt ideal to move the family, at least they would be together and the added bonus of the uni being local? Been there myself, not ideal to move but you look at the positives. Perhaps when the chance came along to not disrupt the family, to get a big pay rise, to move to a wealthier, clearly more ambitious club, it was too much of a head turner?

He left under a cloud which had nothing to do with the football, but simply all about his character.

If he left under a cloud, it was one that people chose to create. They decided what they thought had happened, they decided who to believe, they could not put themselves into the shoes of another human being who was going through something completely familiar to millions who have jobs and families.

In any case, the complete shambles that followed his exit has nowt to do with him.

[quote="derwent"]Two facts that are irrefutable are Raj brought DC to Pools so if Challinor is/was such a good manager then the man who recruited him deserves credit. [quote]

If you look at how this thread started it had nothing to do with Raj, rather Stockport (a club irrelevant to Pools' current season, the same as the other 23 clubs in League 2), and people who for some reason are desperate to see Dave Challinor fail. When all's said and done he's one of only 5 managers ever to win a promotion for our club. The number of managers we've had who have been complete failures at the job feels endless.

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Get your point but threads very rarely stay "pure"
I couldn't care less what happens to DC or where he ends up. I'm sure if he does get the bullet he'll get compensated unless he is on a short contract.
I backed him when he was with us but I didn't like the manner in which he left. That's is as far as it goes.

It is nuts isn't it? I wish DC all the best.

Raj recruited DC and recruited JA AND has taken the superb move of extended his contract without faff. Credit to him for that, given without any kind of caveat. If Raj does these kind of things and doesn't go back to previous ways then things are looking good even if he stays.

So there, the Raj hating accusations can be put to bed. Now what do we do with this weird DC witch hunt?

People have reservations on the way DC went about things and that to you is a witch hunt. Was there a witch hunt against Raj perpetrated by you and others because of the way he went about things.
It is about opinions my friend.
And everyone is entitled to be nuts, even you

Mate, more then reservations, some are ignoring what he did for us and blaming him for our downfall since. Thats a witch hunt.

A witch hunt against Raj? Not really a hunt when he made himself a fish in a barrel was it? Right now it would be a witch hunt because he gives cause to believe things might be different. Hence why nobody is going for Raj right now, and rightly so.

“Challoner is one of only 5 managers to get us promoted but there has been endless failures” excuse me but doesn’t that go for nearly every lower league clubs?

He got us up and deserves praise for that.

He also over egged his affinity to the club for political reasons and fucked off for a better offer money wise.....his preoragative just cant be doing with the weasly 'oh it was such a hard decision' bleating from him

He's an ambitious guy, and couldnt give 2 shites about us apart from as a job --so zero well wishing from me.

There's lower league failure then there's Hartlepool record - not even counting the 1883 mob, even Darlo have won more promotions than Pools, plus a national cup competition!

Don't think anyone is ignoring what he did in terms of getting us back into the league, I haven't seen a single post criticising his credential so as manager. The criticism is of the way in which he walked away. Not much different to Syllas behaviour imo. As JA would say I hope he gets what he deserves.

F.H. - at least we have never gone bust. Darlo’s record of managers and dodgy owners is probably worse than ours. Remember George Reynolds.

Oh and I’ve forgot FH they haven’t even got a ground.

End of the day it’s about Challinor and over entitled Stockport ‘fans’ .
Personally I think the fans are behaving like tits over this start to the season and if they get their wish they’ll be losing a decent manager…. But any damage will be self inflicted.

DC left for a shit load more money, a bigger house, arguably a nicer part of the country and a club who have aspirations for the Championship. He knew he’d hit the ceiling with us - and quite right that proved I’m afraid.

Only in football would we question such a decision. He made the one we all would have made. End of.

I am quite happy with that, it’s happened at Pools since time immemorial….I just don’t understand why he didn’t just come out with it.

I think he loved the club, but saw what was on offer (their training ground is PL standard for instance), and knew he had to leave.

I think the subterfuge created this problem….I’ve experienced this all my life at Pools, you get a good manager, he goes, it’s in our DNA… All he had to do was be open about it, it could have all ended a bit more amicably.
Any way it’s history now.

Exactly, everyone thanks him for getting us promoted and giving us a fantastic day out at Bristol, whilst some will be disappointed with the way he left others won't, all behind us now and not going to change.
It'll be interesting to see how he gets on, he had a massive budget last season and they didn't realise fans expectations (wonder what the chairman's are), can he do it this season with a huge budget again? I dare say if he doesn't he'll be gone. Is NL or run of the mill Div 2 is limit or will he kick on and go far higher?