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 Post subject: Question about match statistics.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:04 am 
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When Pools were in the FL there would always be a brief match report on Sky, BBC and Sporting Life which would include stats such as % possession, shots on goal, shots on target etc. These are now not available. Can anyone tell me where I can find these stats for Pools games?


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:47 pm 
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If you are at home on match days, tune into Bet365 (don't need to bet), menu on left look at football, then scroll down to National League, then our fixture (be it home or away) and you see these details live throughout the 90 minutes with a "map" on whose in possession etc and the running score.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:59 pm 
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Many thanks Mr CT. I shall investigate. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:34 pm 
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If you have a moment now look at Bet365 and there is a La Liga match live and you can get an idea. This game is even showing live pictures as well as all the other info.

Sorry I meant to say between CD ALAVES v SEVILLA at moment 1-1


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:25 am 
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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
When Pools were in the FL there would always be a brief match report on Sky, BBC and Sporting Life which would include stats such as % possession, shots on goal, shots on target etc. These are now not available. Can anyone tell me where I can find these stats for Pools games?

go to the match and watch it. the only stats that ever matter are goals scored. fans are totally obsessed by stats and possibly use it to knock the team or players when we get defeated. there is also no such thing as nearly scoring as well. either you score or you miss and there is no half way house between.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:43 am 
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Dont think I am obsessed about stats. I was at both Barnet and Southend games and in the heat of the emotional roller coaster you cant always remember ever key moment in a match and even less so if you are not there. In an earlier post, I mentioned I did not realize Southend only had two shots on target throughout the 90 odd minutes because it sure as heck didn't feel like that when watching the game. Statistics can be very revealing but of course are not the be all and end all.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Dont think I am obsessed about stats. I was at both Barnet and Southend games and in the heat of the emotional roller coaster you cant always remember ever key moment in a match and even less so if you are not there. In an earlier post, I mentioned I did not realize Southend only had two shots on target throughout the 90 odd minutes because it sure as heck didn't feel like that when watching the game. Statistics can be very revealing but of course are not the be all and end all.

statistics are part of a new industry and jobs in the game but unfortunetly they seem to be relied on far too much by fans and clubs themselves. they get all this player information during games as well in the stats it show when and why effort is being used and does the player who runs around for 90 odd minutes doing nothing gets better thought of by those involved in these stats than the one always there to put the ball in the net or breaks up an attack who seams to stroll through a game.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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accrington fan wrote:
statistics are part of a new industry and jobs in the game but unfortunetly they seem to be relied on far too much by fans and clubs themselves. they get all this player information during games as well in the stats it show when and why effort is being used and does the player who runs around for 90 odd minutes doing nothing gets better thought of by those involved in these stats than the one always there to put the ball in the net or breaks up an attack who seams to stroll through a game.


Funnily enough, statistical analysis doesn't do any favours to "the player who runs around for 90 odd minutes doing nothing" :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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accrington fan wrote:
Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Dont think I am obsessed about stats. I was at both Barnet and Southend games and in the heat of the emotional roller coaster you cant always remember ever key moment in a match and even less so if you are not there. In an earlier post, I mentioned I did not realize Southend only had two shots on target throughout the 90 odd minutes because it sure as heck didn't feel like that when watching the game. Statistics can be very revealing but of course are not the be all and end all.

statistics are part of a new industry and jobs in the game but unfortunetly they seem to be relied on far too much by fans and clubs themselves. they get all this player information during games as well in the stats it show when and why effort is being used and does the player who runs around for 90 odd minutes doing nothing gets better thought of by those involved in these stats than the one always there to put the ball in the net or breaks up an attack who seams to stroll through a game.


Not interested in such detail. All I want to know is what perecentage of possession did each team have, how many shots a at goal and how many shots on target. Thats all. i am not obsessed but I like to know these things. After a bit of searching I discovered Pools had 51% possession on Saturday which I feel was about right. Still dont know how many shots on goal there were and how many were on target.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:10 pm 
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Double post.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 9:28 pm 
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Saw this on twitter today:
https://x.com/shrimperstats/status/1694 ... OG_piqQObg
Has the stats you’re looking for from the Southend game as well as many you won’t be!


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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Krampesh wrote:
Saw this on twitter today:
https://x.com/shrimperstats/status/1694 ... OG_piqQObg
Has the stats you’re looking for from the Southend game as well as many you won’t be!


Thanks for that Mr K. Some of the stats cant quite be understood because the framing cuts some labels but better than nowt. Looks like their version of events shows a much higher Southend possession % than the source I found.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:04 am 
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The ‘stats’ are just another example of making a science out of fresh air as the have no bearing on future outcomes.
The only stat’s that matter are did we win lose or draw and were we, good bad or indifferent.
Anyone grazing over the stats in something with so many variables will learn bugger all.
Basically stats to have any relevance require a constant standard output for everything from bottles to footballers….. footballers have too many flaws., Jeckyll and Hyde performances…. you never know who’s gonna turn out.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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For me it’s the the result that matters you could have min8mal possession, sit back and defend and score a goal on a breakaway.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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Snowy wrote:
The ‘stats’ are just another example of making a science out of fresh air as the have no bearing on future outcomes.
The only stat’s that matter are did we win lose or draw and were we, good bad or indifferent.
Anyone grazing over the stats in something with so many variables will learn bugger all.
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Odd then that you'd be hard pressed to find a professional football club anywhere that doesn't use statistical analysis in various ways. Though I do recall reading that Paul Hartley wasn't keen... no wonder he's back managing in part-time football.

The idea that the game is following a pointless fad and will some day revert to a 'common sense' approach is for the birds.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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Flying Hogans wrote:
Snowy wrote:
The ‘stats’ are just another example of making a science out of fresh air as the have no bearing on future outcomes.
The only stat’s that matter are did we win lose or draw and were we, good bad or indifferent.
Anyone grazing over the stats in something with so many variables will learn bugger all.
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Odd then that you'd be hard pressed to find a professional football club anywhere that doesn't use statistical analysis in various ways. Though I do recall reading that Paul Hartley wasn't keen... no wonder he's back managing in part-time football.

The idea that the game is following a pointless fad and will some day revert to a 'common sense' approach is for the birds.

would hartley have been a better manager if he had put his faith in stats. like many things in the game its fashion over substance and if one club employs a person to do a non job the rest quickly follow. same with tactics where if one succesful club plays a certain way and a formation many just follow without the players playing to play it. do not get me started on goalkeeping coaches. one position thats gone backwards since they were invented.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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Snowy wrote:
The ‘stats’ are just another example of making a science out of fresh air as the have no bearing on future outcomes.
The only stat’s that matter are did we win lose or draw and were we, good bad or indifferent.
Anyone grazing over the stats in something with so many variables will learn bugger all.
Basically stats to have any relevance require a constant standard output for everything from bottles to footballers….. footballers have too many flaws., Jeckyll and Hyde performances…. you never know who’s gonna turn out.


Good point. Might as well not bother with league tables then just a load of pointless numbers that mean bugger all.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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Flying Hogans wrote:
Snowy wrote:
The ‘stats’ are just another example of making a science out of fresh air as the have no bearing on future outcomes.
The only stat’s that matter are did we win lose or draw and were we, good bad or indifferent.
Anyone grazing over the stats in something with so many variables will learn bugger all.
.


Odd then that you'd be hard pressed to find a professional football club anywhere that doesn't use statistical analysis in various ways. Though I do recall reading that Paul Hartley wasn't keen... no wonder he's back managing in part-time football.

The idea that the game is following a pointless fad and will some day revert to a 'common sense' approach is for the birds.


Spot on, Mr FH.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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Flying Hogans wrote:
Snowy wrote:
The ‘stats’ are just another example of making a science out of fresh air as the have no bearing on future outcomes.
The only stat’s that matter are did we win lose or draw and were we, good bad or indifferent.
Anyone grazing over the stats in something with so many variables will learn bugger all.
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Odd then that you'd be hard pressed to find a professional football club anywhere that doesn't use statistical analysis in various ways. Though I do recall reading that Paul Hartley wasn't keen... no wonder he's back managing in part-time football.

The idea that the game is following a pointless fad and will some day revert to a 'common sense' approach is for the birds.

I think you’re driving up a cul de sac here..I was referring to the use of stats to fans, I expect those who run a team to do the figuring out I just want to see the finished product.
Mind you, when I see the ‘scribblers’ on the bench furiously taking notes I do tend to wonder though.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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Jamie1952 wrote:
For me it’s the the result that matters you could have min8mal possession, sit back and defend and score a goal on a breakaway.


Like these stats from a Celtic v Barcelona match from a few years ago


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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Fensy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
For me it’s the the result that matters you could have min8mal possession, sit back and defend and score a goal on a breakaway.


Like these stats from a Celtic v Barcelona match from a few years ago


Brilliant stuff. Those stats are astounding. Just shows the actual score line does not necessarily tell the story of the match although obviously the result is the most important stat of all.


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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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I don’t care how they get them I jus5 want a result, that’s all that matters to me, there are no awards for a good performance, just for winning, that’s what it’s all about.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about match statistics.
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Snowy wrote:
I don’t care how they get them I jus5 want a result, that’s all that matters to me, there are no awards for a good performance, just for winning, that’s what it’s all about.

even better it might get rid of the football pundits and those in the stats industry.


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