Fortunately for the British, many of the Argentinian bombs failed to explode due to problems with the setting of their fuses. Essentially, the aircraft were flown at a height lower than the fuses had been set so the bombs hit their target before they had been set to explode.
Don’t bother, I can give you root and branch on the subject

The Argentina’s might have been torturing their own people, how many of the citizens of the Falkland Islands did the Argentina’s torture and kill ?
I’m bemused .The Argentinians torturing and also killing 30,000 of their own citizens doesn’t appear to register with you…astounding

I can imagine you sitting in front of the TV singing Rule Britannia waving your Union Jack flag whilst hundreds on both sides were being slaughtered just to boost the popularity of Thatcher.
Dead bodies don’t excite me, nothing new there I’m afraid and I don’t wave flags….I’m grown up.

It’s a well known fact for the first time in history people were cheering when an PM died actually cheering when Thatcher passed away.
I didn’t cheer and I didn’t cry, again, I’m grown up.[/quote][/quote]

You obviously didn’t work in one of the industries which Thatcher destroyed now putting the U.K.in a position where we are having to import skilled labour because there is no industry left to train them up apart from sending kids to a college and train them in a class room.[/quote]
Actually I did…and like everyone else I moved on….and two jobs as well under Blair’s policies…and my dad under Harold Wilson
I just got on with it, like most people,…..having a chip on both shoulders doesn’t make someone balanced
Thatcher, not my cup of tea by the way, left office thirty years ago….what have all the politicians being doing with their time since then….I sometimes think they need her to hide behind.[/quote]

Thatcher, Heseltine, Tebbit etc the same as you Snowy not my cup of tea but they were real politicians, we wouldn’t be in the position we are in today if they were still in power, the current bunch of Tories are amateurs compared to them. I am not that fussed on the opposition either, I think Starmer could be a vote loser, I don’t see what the Labour Party have to offer any different from the Tories.[/quote]
We have been in the doldrums for since the 90’s….since then all Party’s have fuelled a rapid rise in astounding incompetence.
All the leaders of all the party’s are led by candidates of lifelong intellectual helplessness, piss house politicians whose bombastic utterances feed their own self importance but produce nothing.
Challenge them and you get self righteous monologues on how they’re going to put things right, but their ‘right’ ……not your version of ‘right’, but then they can’t, because they’re sailing on a different course to the rest of us.
We are ‘governed’ by illiterate middle aged students who in a lot of cases never worked in the real world.[/quote]

Politicians over the years have p***** off the electorate so much to the extend many don’t bother to vote as they say what difference will it make.

Challenge them and you get self righteous monologues on how they’re going to put things right, but their ‘right’ ……not your version of ‘right’, but then they can’t, because they’re sailing on a different course to the rest of us.
We are ‘governed’ by illiterate middle aged students who in a lot of cases never worked in the real world.[/quote]

Politicians over the years have p***** off the electorate so much to the extend many don’t bother to vote as they say what difference will it make.[/quote]
after over 10 years of thatcher rule we got mass unemployment, a pointless war and privatisation of anything she could. after 4 years of the new conservative party we have a group that connot solve any problems, not sure what a woman is, and as woke as the rest. then your choice in 18 months is what, spoil your paper saying none of these.

Can we get the Falklands war into perspective..the Argentinian junta were in dire straits with a basket case economy and ruling by fear…. financed by the Yanks.
They invaded the Falklands as a distraction from their domestic chaos.
It couldn’t be ignored…they invaded without provocation.
I dare some would turn the other cheek if the Argentinians invaded the Isle of Wight.

at the time you would have thought they had even after borrowing their kids world atlas to find out where the place was.

Politicians over the years have p***** off the electorate so much to the extend many don’t bother to vote as they say what difference will it make.[/quote]
after over 10 years of thatcher rule we got mass unemployment, a pointless war and privatisation of anything she could. after 4 years of the new conservative party we have a group that connot solve any problems, not sure what a woman is, and as woke as the rest. then your choice in 18 months is what, spoil your paper saying none of these.[/quote]

Couldn’t agree more about selling everything off to balance the books at the time telling the electorate we can all own a little bit of everything. As soon as there was a profit they sold their shares which were swept up by the big institutions and the rest is history.
North Oil income was squandered, Norway didn’t sell of their oil and gas and have a Sovereign Wealth Fund worth US$1,370 billion in assets etc, at the same time working terms and conditions in the Norwegian sector are far superior to the British sector.

Privatisation ….take your industry Mr A ..the buses, a disaster, a recipe for chaos. The bus service has become a bus business ran for whose convenience, certainly not the passenger.
Yet we had our Labour MP Mr Wright criticising privatisation, who when he got into power under Blair never mentioned it again.

Hit on the head Snowy
All parties are one party.. All councillors are paid actors who are deliberately postioned to mislead the public and spread crap and tell them what they want to hear. One of the biggest cons of all time and plenty still believe it's a real system. Then again plenty still believe we landed on the moon.

possibly the biggest con of all is the labour party being for the working man. my life has never improved under them and do not expect them to be when they get into power next year. they,ll out green the greens and expect fuel and road tax to shoot up very quickly with more ULEZ and 15 minute cities around but without better public transport to make up for it. forgot though they,ll rebrand stagecoach as hartlepool transport with the same services operated and some idiot will fall for it.

The Labour Party is as far removed from the working class as the Tories.
Middle class theorists and social engineers with a sprinkling of tame sons of the soil, out to mould you into their mindset, yet their life experience is as remote from you as the Lord of the Manor.
All the major Party’s live on the edge of the actual world most ordinary people live in , like Greek Gods looking down from the heavenly clouds. But, here’s the punch line, they all think they have the answer to making our lives bette, if only we’d obey themr
Whoever you vote foe in the big two and a half Party’s you’ll get the same result, disillusionment and the belief the politicians are orbiting another planet.

vote abstain. the party of the future. just wonder if the chartists and suffragettes have wasted their time and would not have bothered if they were around now.

The way i look at it the Conservatives politicians take the cake whilst Labour politicians take the crumbs and want to reign back uncontrolled rampant profiteering.

Hmmm they say they do but…..?….. with any Party where middle class values predominate, the results are generally the same.
The say you can take the kid out of Wagga but you can’t take Wagga out of the kid, well….that applies to those with middle class values, or should I say pretensions.

true, once you had the jacob rees moggs v ex workers who became union officials and then moved into politics types. now its all younger people with on the whole similar university backgrounds fighting it out with similar globalist ideals. take away the etonian tories and a few working class labour politicians and most would be comfortable crossing the chamber and would fit in nicely.

The new Labour MP for Selby is 25, don’t get me wrong, someone of that age with experience of life is acceptable.
But this lad left Uni and worked for the Labour Party as a researcher in Parliament, no experience of anything of relevance.
House trained ?

John Profumo was only 25
Woy Jenkins 27
Tony Benn 27
Bernadette Devlin 21
David Steel 26
Gill Mortimer 56

The frequency with which refer to our MP tells me you may be besotted with her, takes all sorts I suppose.

Come on, you know you want to..

I can see it now in the engagements section of the Mail..
Lady Gill Mortician to Erich Von Bluestreak …society wedding at St Bunkers on the Sands.

I haven't slept well since you mentioned that and i am now seeking counselling.

I’ll stop immediately

Only just caught up with this, Jesus where to start putting this nonsense right...

I'll start with the Belgrano as it's the usual red herring thrown up by those who know nothing about the subject. Firstly terms of reference (rules of engagement); Any Argentine ship within the TEZ (200 mile zone) will be attacked and any ship outside may be attacked if it poses an threat to British forces. So thats the rules at the beginning of May 82.

The Belgrano was forming a pincer movement with the Venticinco de Mayo (RG Carrier) The 25/5 was coming towards the task force from the North with the Belgrano from the South. Whether on not it was inside the TEZ is irrelevant on two counts; firstly rules of engagement as above and secondly its the work of a moment for it to turn. Ity had been zigzagging for hours and had it not been attacked when it was then Conqueror would not have been able to follow her because of tidal banks. It was an extremely formidable weapons platform and outgunned anything we had by miles. Look it up on Wikipedia and see the list of very large guns that could fire over 20 miles.
I mourn the 323 souls who died that day, I have met a few survivors and even their Captain accepted that it was a fair attack in the circumstances of war. Believe me when I say that the crew of Conqueror don't take it lightly either.

'A few uninhabited islands'
Well almost 3000 British people who had been invaded by a regime that had murdered 30'000 of its own people in the previous decade. What price a bunch of kelpers?

'Now costing millions'
The Falklands is entirely financially self sufficient'

'How many people were tortured in the Falklands'?
Ermm many, particularly by Argentine intelligence Major Patricio Dowling. Don't forget either that the majority of the RG officer corps, including the captured Angel of Death, Lt Alfredo Astiz had been involved in the Dirty War back home and had plenty of practice in torture. Their excesses were largely kept in check by the invasion commander Admiral Carlos Busser , a honourable man I had absolutely no problem shaking hands with in Buenos Aires, along with orders from General Menendez. Dowling scuttled back to Argentina in early June.

'If the bombs had all exploded'
It's true that a lot of the bombs did not go off but that was due to the effectiveness of British CAP (combat air patrol). Simply put, because of the effectiveness of Harrier cover allied to Sea Dart and Sea Wolf missiles, the Argie pilots had to fly so low and fast that the 500 and 1000lb boms did not have time for the impeller driven fuses to screw into the bomb and arm. Not to worry though because the BBC publicised the fact and the RG's put it right.

Maggie benefited politically from the victory undoubtedly but it was never her motivation. She sent the task force simply to put right a wrong and kick the Argentine bullies out of sovereign British territory.

Feel free to argue, I promise you I am better informed.

Just an ironic footnote about Thatcher supposedly benefitting from the Falklands War, when Parliament was recalled at the weekend, the chorus for action’s chief cheerleader outraged at the Argies invasion was none other than Michael Foot….hardly a warmonger.

Was waiting for someone to bring balance to the argument. Not all conflict is avoidable.

one thing is that we have come a long way from the staincliffe.

You mean the blue lagoon?

Snowy, absolutely correct about Foot but I think the best comment came from the great Enoch Powell.

"The Prime Minister, shortly after she came into office received a soubriquet as the 'Iron Lady'. It arose in the context of remarks which she made about defence against the Soviet Union and its allies; but there was no reason to suppose that the right hon Lady did not welcome and, indeed, take pride in that description.
In the next week or two this House, the nation and the right hon Lady herself will learn of what metal she is made."

After the RG's surrender he made another statement:

"Is the right hon Lady aware that the report has now been received from the public analyst on a certain substance recently subjected to analysis and that I have obtained a copy of the report? It shows that the substance under test consisted of ferrous matter of the highest quality, that it is of exceptional tensile strength, is highly resistant to wear and tear and to stress, and may be used with advantage for all national purposes?"

I blame John Nott for the huge defence cuts he intended to impose which the Argentinians saw as a sign of British weakness, especially the intention to withdraw HMS Endurance from the South Atlantic.

Very true. One of my best mates was on the RM NP on Endurance. He was in the battle with the argies when the sub was taken out.

Funny though how the Tory’s are so keen on defence cuts.
One minister was boasting on how the F35 could cope with multiple targets….till someone pointed very true, but it can’t be in multiple places to deal with them.

Wasn’t that when the Wasp hit it with the rocket in the the conning tower in South Georgia…?