bet they do not show the run down housing estates, the rough sleepers, druggies and drunks on the streets, food banks and the rest of the things we are getting famous for before they pay their boat fare over here. if i was just starting work now my ambition would be to go in the other direction as there seems less to keep anyone here than there was in the mid 60,s. know about the devil you know and the rest of the sayings but now seems a good time to get the hell out of the place before they get totally brainwashed to become a new age woke lefty.

The Scots, Welsh and Irish have been doing that for centuries.

isn,t there an old irish song about pavements paved in gold in london. if khan is around much longer you,ll be fined for farting as you,ll be destroying the clean air zone.

Their shite country will never change if people keep leaving it.
If I drove a cut and shut banger I have no right to expect access to a better car by turning up at the garage showroom just because my cars shite.
Tories are clueless, Labour say they’ll speed up applications , but then say they’ll need to build more houses and create job for them, so obviously no one’s getting refused entry… the Lib Dem’s are lost in space….. like I said the country is ‘run’ by middle aged students.

What parts of the above countries have you lived/worked in to form that opinion Derwent ?
I have worked and lived in all 3 countries over and above England which has more s*** places than all 3 put together.

There are over a million job vacancies in the U.K. currently, surely some of these people should be made to work whilst waiting for a decision ?

think if they did that then the ones who did it would automatically be allow to stay. there would be more than the lefty lawyers all over it if once they worked they were refused a stay.

Let me explain further what I'm referring to.

The subject is migrants and that is what I am referring to. People from the three countries have been coming to England for centuries because of lack of opportunity in their country of birth.
There have been more ( percentage pro rata) Scots, Irish and Welsh immigrants to England than Englishmen going the other way, although that happened as well. I am referring to people not the existence of shitholes. All three are beautiful countries I would agree and also agree on England's shitholes, although it could be argued that some of England's shitholes are a result of migrants, Liverpool as was etc. England is where they came because beautiful countryside didn't provide for their families.
I was born and lived in Fife, which is a very nice place to live. I am an avid tourer of the UK/ British Isles and spend a lot of my leisure time doing that so get about a bit.
When you look at the beauty spots outside of England you are forced to think why would people want to leave all this but the industrial revolution and since, made England and other places, more attractive for economic reasons. There was a massive movement of English born people as well, mostly to other parts of England. The Irish and Scots in particular are / were avid emigrants, to all parts of the World. Hope that makes my point a tad clearer.

Ok Derwent I have instructed my leftie lawyer to withdraw my case against you for racism against the Scottish, Welsh and Irish people.

there has been a couple of comments about shithole places in england. what i have found that if you want to do a hatchet job on anywhere you can in the same way the tourist boards make the best out of the same place. only been abroad twice but can imagine its the same in every single country in the world. even a view from one spot can be used either way people want and there is no better example of this than stood on the beach at seaton, look north and the place looks brilliant, but look south and its depressing.

How much change can an individual or even many individuals, in their lifetime, make to a country?

Do you spend your life attempting to alter one thing or fuck it off and try to get better elsewhere so you can have some, again perceived, happiness elsewhere?

Also, I’d guess that most people would have very little idea how to initiate change.

If you lived in an area in England that had seen steady decline over the years and was now rife with crime, drug use, verbal and physical abuse, robbery etc, would you do you utmost to leave the area or stay there?

trouble is where do you actually go to. even small towns now have these problems and its only that say you live in a town of 10,000 inhabitants that there will be 10 per cent of the problems somewhere wth 100,000 living there has. even small villiages now have similar problems to a city but you only know about them if you live there.

You're so kind.

You’re right, paradise doesn’t exist but it’s to what degree the level of shite is at. I moved a couple of years ago from a place that was nice 13 years ago when I moved there but has gone downhill somewhat. I now live in a much nicer area with a more acceptable level of shit

its a case that since the millenium the country has a whole has gone down the pan. thats in most peoples lifetime and that was a drop down for most people from the time in the late 60,s and early 70,s. if things carry on the downward path then having kids is the last thing to do.

Yeah I agree that the country has been in decline for many years but I also cling to the hope that i look back through rise tinted glasses and I’m ignoring positive changes

Judges have ruled sending Asylum Seekers to Rwanda is in unlawful as it’s not a safe country, another £120 million down the pan or will Rwanda give us our money back ?
It was always a no no, fact was they could only take a couple of hundred, the idea was too frighten Asylum Seekers and stop them coming which it didn’t, Braverman should resign in fact be sacked, she is clueless throwing taxpayers money away !

Government now going to appeal to the Supreme Court Sunak says, what a f****** joke how much is this costing the taxpayer for a pointless exercise which is doomed to failure wether the government win the appeal or not. Asylum Seekers aren’t going to board a flight voluntarily are they then there will be the appeals.

Latest figures;

Tuesday 27th - NONE
Wednesday 28th - NONE

That's 3 days with NIL POINTS on the door - can't believe that's true?

That’ll be the minefield.

bit like stagecoach they,ll have altered their route without much information given out.

well a 4th day running with NONE

Can't believe this, reckon man at Dover's abacus has broken?

Or has Sunak introduced Sharks into the Channel?

Maybe the French are doing what we've paid them for but your mate Rishi did say they were slowly getting on top of the matter.
Time will tell.
They've just announced new plans for the NHS recruitment problem and he's being ruthless over inflation.
He is definitely prioritising his five pledges and of course looking at the next election.
Meanwhile Labour, after demanding changes in NHS recruitment are accusing the Government of pinching their ideas. Maybe if Parliamentary agreement on various issues became the norm we would get somewhere. I understand that opposition MPs aren't keen to be seeing to agree with the Government but they should welcome anything that is good for their constituents, who actually put them there in the first place.

Some people have actually left Hartlepool to get a better life.............unbelievable Jeff!

Unbelievable Jeff

He is one of the most conspicuous to have done that.

Or are you emphasising that, me ould marra.

No one in particular but leaving British West Hartlepool has never been on my agenda but Hampshire would be an option.

I thought that I would probably return but I very much doubt that now. I've been away for over 45 years. If I did move again it would definitely be back to the seaside, with Cornwall being the favourite and Scotland close behind. I do miss the sea. I'm very settled where I am though.

Yes its the sea that does it for me.After going away to any landlocked location i find that upon returning the next day i end up going down to Seaton, Middleton or the Headland.
Definitely "Sea-Fever"
Or in the words of John Masefield;

I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by;
And the wheel’s kick and the wind’s song and the white sail’s shaking,
And a grey mist on the sea’s face, and a grey dawn breaking.

I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,
To the gull’s way and the whale’s way where the wind’s like a whetted knife;
And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,
And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick’s over.

I’ve got a little poem as well….

We are the boys of the Naval Reserve.
aboard the good ship Venus.
The figurehead, was a woman in bed,
and the mast was the Captains …..pride and joy.
(Not his penis)

If they are prepared to work, pay taxes and contribute to the economy why shouldn’t they be allowed to stay ?

The million vacancies is a myth, if any government was willing to crack down on the shirkers and job dodgers instead of indulging them there’d be no problem, I still see people who have never done a days graft having a pleasant lifestyle on benefits despite the myths.
As regards the chancer element, till you can identify just who these people are you keep them in limbo, because till they are processed and their eligibility confirmed you do not know what you’re dealing with. The majority will have few skills to offer other than lower end jobs and this is the Globalists dream of reducing costs of production.
Albanian scientists, sub Saharan medical specialists and Middle Eastern physicists won’t be well represented amongst these chancers….if you are happy to lower living and work standards at the bottom of the workforce for UK citizens of all colours by flooding the jobs market forget it.

agree if they were invited to come in the first place. the bosses would love the situation of double figure unemployment across the country just to pay as little as possible. the reason why pay for the same job varies across the country by the same employer.

There is a criteria for claiming benefits which needs to be looked at, 70% of people claiming benefits are in work, yes there might be a single parent who can only work school hours but others are abusing the system.

That’s the ones they can trace, apparently the Albanians are disappearing in droves.

Better day for them yesterday,

155 in 3 boats

According to a government spokesperson in Parliament I think Sunak said last week at PMQs Albanians are sent straight back as soon as they step off the boats, some one is telling porkies ?

Ii won’t only be the Albanians who disappear, quite few of the asylum seekers will do a runner, they will have set up contacts before arriving in the U.K., the government have no way of tracking them.

In my second home in Thailand you have to report to immigration every 90 days, Police here can stop foreigners and ask to see your passport, if they find you have no visa it’s straight to a detention centre and deported, imagine the Police doing that in the U.K. the lefty lawyers would be suing the Police for harassment.

bit off topic but you are right. keep saying that you cannot beat the system but can use it. employees know the system and encourage it even though there are laws in place that favour those who can only work limited periods. then there is the bad back brigade. had a step son with spina bifeda who was more or less wheelchair bound where he and his mother had to fight tooth and nail for every penny he got. at the end of the day there answer was why was this not offered in the first place when you knew he could claim it. no wonder real proper cases where benefits are concerned get really bitter.

Whilst we had no service the boat people decided it was a good time to cross the channel;

7th 686 in 13 boats
8th 384 in 7 boats
9th 269 on 5 boats
10th 338 in 6 boats
11th 34 in 1 boat
12th Zero
13th Zero

But as you see above there were 1677 in 4 days last week.

Does any of these live near you?

Reform U.K. Richard Tyce answer is turn them around and send them back to France, yeh I am sure France would welcome them back ?

I repeat my suggestion of cluster bombs

Hopefully that’s a tongue in cheek comment as there are women and young children on the boats ?

Why shouldn't they welcome them back, as they welcomed them in the first place before encouraging them to come here.
If that's what Richard Tyce is suggesting we do then I agree with him.
What's your answer Jamie? Do we just let them in willy nilly?
They are illegal invaders to our country.
When it turns out they are members of Isis or the Taliban ( which is why they conveniently "lose" their identities} and start causing mayhem, you'll be opposing their entry like the more sensible element in our country.

They are automatically allowed to stay anyway. Even when asylum claims are refused we dont deport anyone. It is a disgrace. Tories are useless and Labour will be worse. I try not to think about it because it pees me off so much.

I gather that in their world 41 yr olds are classed as children especially when dodging their way through what we laughingly call an immigration service.

Tice and Farage.?. now that would be a dream team eh.

The Guardian readers would soil themselves.

Starmer bangs on about getting the illegals quickly processed but puts both feet in his mouth by then adding we can then get them into housing and jobs…obviously they’ll be deporting very few back then…..so how quickly they process them is neither here nor their, just soundbites.
They do live in a cosseted other world these dim politicians.

if the news i heard yesterday is totally correct the dingy divers would throw themselves over the side rather than going back to that unsafe country called france. what i saw was a dingy in difficulty in french waters and they refused help from the french vessel that came to their aid. low and behold our lot went into french waters to pick em up. we might as well go the whole hog now and sail over to france and pick em up off the french beaches to save on dinghys. there must be some great attraction they know about in this country that nobody is telling those who have lived hear from birth. think it goes even deeper than free hotel accomodation and pocket money. anyone else ever wondered why these hotel security guards are quick to stop filming when they can and break up anyone trying to interview these illegals.

Two key pull factors are 1) Once here they know they wont be leaving whatever happens. 2) Because we dont have ID documents it is vert easy to "disappear". Of course benefits and luxury accommodation are an added bonus. Boils my piss.