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 Post subject: And away
PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:56 pm 
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https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... -statement


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Anybody falling for this?


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Not holding my breath.


Also i would not be offering abuse in his direction.
I would if had ran the club into the ground for gain.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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The best part of that statement is Askey staying on. The very blatant threat of ‘if you abuse me I’ll put you in admin’ is not a good way to garner support for yourself


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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He'll be in charge next season, he'll turn down every offer that doesn't meet his match. Then remain owner next season. All lies, lies, lies and more lies.
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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Took the club as far as he was going to. Massive errors in selecting managers (except Challinor and Askey) have been our downfall football wise, think our budget was comparable with likes of Barrow and Carlisle but most of it spunked on piss poor players.
Off the field is shambolic due to penny pinching which is short termism but maybe part of his strategy to get out with least losses / most profit?
Should have appointed a COO who had a clue about running football clubs, obviously not learned anything since his Darlo days wet running football clubs.
Good that Askey is staying.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:29 pm 
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I don’t believe for a second that Raj Singh had anything but good intentions throughout. Some big mistakes? For sure but they were that, just mistakes and not malicious. He’s put his own money in and no doubt suffered in his businesses through lockdown. As I’ve always said; he’s a wealthy man but not a billionaire so there were always limits to what he could invest. What happens now is a big unknown and as I keep saying, it’s all very well wanting to sell but to do that you have to find a buyer for this position chalice.

He should be appreciated for his overall efforts so far, he just run out of experience and possibly money.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I don’t believe for a second that Raj Singh had anything but good intentions throughout. He’s put his own money in and no doubt suffered in his businesses through lockdown. As I’ve always said; he’s a wealthy man but not a billionaire so there were always limits to what he could invest. What happens now is a big unknown and as I keep saying, it’s all very well wanting to sell but to do that you have to find a buyer for this position chalice.


Agree 100%.

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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I don’t believe for a second that Raj Singh had anything but good intentions throughout. Some big mistakes? For sure but they were that, just mistakes and not malicious. He’s put his own money in and no doubt suffered in his businesses through lockdown. As I’ve always said; he’s a wealthy man but not a billionaire so there were always limits to what he could invest. What happens now is a big unknown and as I keep saying, it’s all very well wanting to sell but to do that you have to find a buyer for this position chalice.

He should be appreciated for his overall efforts so far, he just run out of experience and possibly money.


Is this not de ja vu darlo.?


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Well it’s good that he is prepared to stay on till if we get a new buyer. He has admitted his mistakes. But, and it’s a big but he did it with Darlo. Surely you would learn your lesson. Do agree though that Covid must have hurt him like it did everyone . Let’s see if Askey is in charge. If he is it’s going to be difficult managing a large squad which are not good enough to be promoted in the league below us and buy a number of experienced league 2 veterans. Difficult balancing act


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Has he not made it clear for at least a year its up for sale so how is this news sctatchinghead

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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Talk is cheap etc but that is a reasonable statement, and there is no point in insulting him.
I do wonder if the last paragraph is the excuse to pull the plug due to fans abuse etc but nothing we can do about that (let’s face it some people will be abusive)

Proof is in the pudding, if we end up obviously not backing Askey things will come to a head anyway


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 Post subject: Re: And away
PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:53 pm 
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I'd be interested in Loan Star's take on things?

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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
I don’t believe for a second that Raj Singh had anything but good intentions throughout. Some big mistakes? For sure but they were that, just mistakes and not malicious. He’s put his own money in and no doubt suffered in his businesses through lockdown. As I’ve always said; he’s a wealthy man but not a billionaire so there were always limits to what he could invest. What happens now is a big unknown and as I keep saying, it’s all very well wanting to sell but to do that you have to find a buyer for this position chalice.

He should be appreciated for his overall efforts so far, he just run out of experience and possibly money.


Agree 100% Mr I. If Singh was replaced by someone else tomorrow they would find the club in a much better financial state than it was when he took over. Some folks have short memories. Obviously in the footballing sense we are back where we started when he first arrived which is a bitter pill to swallow. Worth pointing out that when Bury fell apart for financial reasons, they had just got promoted. I don't want Pools to be non-league but I do want them to exist and there was a danger that would not have been the case without Singh.

As Mr I says he has made some horrendous errors but I don't they were out of malice. If he stays on, due to lack of anyone daft enough to buy poor old Hartlepool I have no problem with that, though I appreciate some on here have the opposite opinion and have good reasons for holding that opinion. Careful what you wish for is my parting comment. I have had my say and I wont be replying to anyone's angry rants which of course, people have every right to make.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Bluestreak wrote:
Has he not made it clear for at least a year its up for sale so how is this news sctatchinghead


I guess there is a difference between saying he would welcome outside investment and formally putting the club up for sale though I expect the end result will be exactly the same.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:17 pm 
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Club interview with Raj Singh, here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82VShmNt_L8


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Basil Fawlty wrote:
I'd be interested in Loan Star's take on things?


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Just be glad he's doing it this way, even with his threats over fan reactions. He just dumped us in administration.
I also wouldn't believe a word he says now that the proverbial has hit the fan.
Just listened to his interview, saying its his fault but passing the buck too. End of the day its his club and he makes the key decisions so basically it is his fault for going through managers like he changes his duds.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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My worry about Singh has always been he is too thin skinned and prone to just saying F them and being spiteful

I recall at Darlo the catalyst was players on the bus singing to be paid up....a scenario where he gets criticized (some of which given the way things work especially online will be abusive and over the top) and leaves us in it seems like a pretty likely one right now, and not much we can really do about it.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Don't think he's done anything that was meant to be to the detriment of the club, and to be fair we are in a hugely better place overall than we were when he came albeit pretty much the same status wise.
This is not like Darlo as far as I can see, they were an absolute basket case financially and as an entity. Wanted to be trust run but wanted Raj to pay the bills.
Personally I don't think he deserves abuse and certainly not personal abuse, definitely deserves criticism, but at the end of the day without him we'd probably have been playing derbies against Darlo already.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Although Raj Singh put up the funds, what contributions have Rust, Bevington, Hobin & other advisors made? Raj's interview indicates that Lee & Hartley were panic decisions in hindsight, but were the board of directors/advisors issuing words of caution or were they just yes men? Surely somebody should have had the balls to step out of the party line & put forward credible arguments which were worthy of a full & frank discussion


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Wanted to be trust run but wanted Raj to pay the bills.

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 Post subject: Re: And away
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PTID wrote:
Don't think he's done anything that was meant to be to the detriment of the club, and to be fair we are in a hugely better place overall than we were when he came albeit pretty much the same status wise.
This is not like Darlo as far as I can see, they were an absolute basket case financially and as an entity. Wanted to be trust run but wanted Raj to pay the bills.
Personally I don't think he deserves abuse and certainly not personal abuse, definitely deserves criticism, but at the end of the day without him we'd probably have been playing derbies against Darlo already.

Think your impression of what happened at Darlington is a little flawed. Loan Star will no doubt put you right. I will reserve judgement as to whether the club is in a better position until after he leaves.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Well, he’s away, or is he? It’ll now be a bit awkward regarding Askey, but if Raj is staying till we get a new owner what if we actually have a good opening to the season, will he be staying on?

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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Before Raj pulled the plug on Darlo the Northern Echo ran an interview in which he said he was putting in the cash but others on the board (including a trust member) wanted more control and him to have less and I'm sure he mentioned the trust wanting more representation on the board too. Just my recollection of the time.
Bottom line is we're in a far healthier position overall than they were at the time. We also need to appreciate he's still here and looking to the future, if he goes tomorrow due to abuse we're fooked, and that'll be down to the abusers not Raj. At the end of the day he saved us from the brink, we're not there again yet but soon could be.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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This is the 2nd club he has messed up. We said a year ago he would threaten the fans. He has basically said shut up while I give you another shit season.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
This is the 2nd club he has messed up. We said a year ago he would threaten the fans. He has basically said shut up while I give you another shit season.


He hasn’t.

He’s basically said, “shut up or I’ll put you in admin”.

Singh doesn’t have the money, or stomach, to finance another season at National League level. He won’t be putting another penny in now, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he stops paying bills as he did at Darlo.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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PTID wrote:
Before Raj pulled the plug on Darlo the Northern Echo ran an interview in which he said he was putting in the cash but others on the board (including a trust member) wanted more control and him to have less and I'm sure he mentioned the trust wanting more representation on the board too. Just my recollection of the time.
Bottom line is we're in a far healthier position overall than they were at the time. We also need to appreciate he's still here and looking to the future, if he goes tomorrow due to abuse we're fooked, and that'll be down to the abusers not Raj. At the end of the day he saved us from the brink, we're not there again yet but soon could be.

That was said after the club was in administration when the Trust wanted to try and find a way for him not to liquidate.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Baldwin220 wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
This is the 2nd club he has messed up. We said a year ago he would threaten the fans. He has basically said shut up while I give you another shit season.


He hasn’t.

He’s basically said, “shut up or I’ll put you in admin”.

Singh doesn’t have the money, or stomach, to finance another season at National League level. He won’t be putting another penny in now, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he stops paying bills as he did at Darlo.


Eddie Kyle said on radio tees tonite
That the clubs Accounts have been delayed for 2 months.
Whatever happens disgraceful attitude from Sing to put the fans on the quiet or else: sctatchinghead.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Listened to whole interview--very worrying
Struggles to take any responsibility and constantly saying its up to the fans what happens next as though he has no agency, I think he genuinely doesn't think he is really responsible for this years mess and its making him v defensive, he is really taken aback at the criticism he is getting. and doesnt feel he gotthe credit he deserved for us going up (I actually have some sympathy with him on the going up part)

Other points.

I have sympathy for Singh on Challinor, who is a shifty operator
Lot of blaming of others apart from that--2 mangers he apparently didnt really want etc doesnt fly
He is very thin skinned- chants really weren't that bad compared to how they could have been
Comes over as typical 'boss' used to everyone agreeing and yes sir ing him and struggles when people dont
Agree with him about the chancers and time wasters, will be a lot of that over coming weeks (not looking fwd to the hysteria on that)
hes stubborn and I think the most likely scenario is it will turn ugly and he will end up sticking us in admin--repeated threats of that, if we as fans give him too much stick
not sure where this leaves Askey--woudln't surprise me if he walks or gets a better offer elsewhere
Hes very defensive throughout the interview, and likely reads social media a lot.

I actually dont think hes a bad person , and he has genuinely tried his best but he's not set up to be a football chairman.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Get the change buckets and prayer mats out the cupboards. We’re in for a rocky ride!


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Raj Singh were a really well run club. Raj Singh 2 minutes later were going to lose 500 to 700 k next season. We spent 1.7 million on players? So what did teams that brought league quality players in raj? The fans want me out I'm to blame. Yes you are, you dismantled a team and sold anyone you could. It's all dave Challinors fault no its not you tried to get him on the cheap and he saw through you. Like staff that have left. Says he is staying for the fans that bought season tickets in covid for their loyalty, those fans want you gone raj or most of them do.

Askey has a budget of a 1/3 more than when Challinor got up it was quite well stated that budget was around 700 k. So if you spent 1.7 last year thats a drop of around 800 k, God knows what we're going to be like next season. Sorry raj you have destroyed 2 football clubs and now you want out. No sympathy for me.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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loyal_fan wrote:

I actually dont think hes a bad person , and he has genuinely tried his best but he's not set up to be a football chairman.

a gree, and even at the time of his manager appointment after challinor there was no wholesale criticism of them by fans. if my memory was right were not some getting giddy with lee early days and had little criticsm of the hartley and curle appointments. with that they were agreeing with raj himself. it didn,t turn out well for us in the end but i doubt he,d have expected it to go as it did anyway. appoint anyone to any job and only time will show if your decision was right. not going to give him stick even though he possibly has made his worst decision in football, threatening fans and if they are like me its the last thing to do to them.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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accrington fan wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:

I actually dont think hes a bad person , and he has genuinely tried his best but he's not set up to be a football chairman.

a gree, and even at the time of his manager appointment after challinor there was no wholesale criticism of them by fans. if my memory was right were not some getting giddy with lee early days and had little criticsm of the hartley and curle appointments. with that they were agreeing with raj himself. it didn,t turn out well for us in the end but i doubt he,d have expected it to go as it did anyway. appoint anyone to any job and only time will show if your decision was right. not going to give him stick even though he possibly has made his worst decision in football, threatening fans and if they are like me its the last thing to do to them.


Appointing Lee was the Boro fan in Singh and his advisers coming out. We were a long way from being the first club in history to take a punt on an Academy manager from a higher division. Didn't work out, but as you say hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Hartley was more leftfield - a bloke with a record of success up to a point - but only in Scotland's part-time leagues. Signing a bunch of players from the same level was always high risk. I pointed out at the time that Nicke Kabamba went straight from Pools in the NL to Kilmarnock in the Scottish Premiership and did well, which spoke volumes about the difference between the English and Scottish leagues.

Keith Curle looked like a safe pair of hands based on his record at Carlisle and Northampton. That didn't work out either, but purely on results Askey isn't doing a whole lot better after the run of 3 defeats. In fact, his win % is already worse than Curle's!


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A chance to see one of our past managers in action. bbolt

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 Post subject: Re: And away
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Flying Hogans wrote:
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loyal_fan wrote:



Keith Curle looked like a safe pair of hands based on his record at Carlisle and Northampton. That didn't work out either, but purely on results Askey isn't doing a whole lot better after the run of 3 defeats. In fact, his win % is already worse than Curle's!

askey,s management record has shown he is similar to curle with failures as well as success. tow he success was at macclesfield and york which are a bit similar to where pools are at the moment. his record may be worse than curles now but the fixtures have been less kind to him. only the crawley game was his big blot on his record where the previous 2 defeats would most likely have happened under any pools manager with what he had at his disposal. time will tell but askey feels a better fit at pools than curle ever did. mind you he could not have had a worst start with a 5 nil loss at the vic. at least hartleys surrender was away from home.


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 Post subject: Re: And away
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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
Baldwin220 wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
This is the 2nd club he has messed up. We said a year ago he would threaten the fans. He has basically said shut up while I give you another shit season.


He hasn’t.

He’s basically said, “shut up or I’ll put you in admin”.

Singh doesn’t have the money, or stomach, to finance another season at National League level. He won’t be putting another penny in now, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he stops paying bills as he did at Darlo.


Eddie Kyle said on radio tees tonite
That the clubs Accounts have been delayed for 2 months.
Whatever happens disgraceful attitude from Sing to put the fans on the quiet or else: sctatchinghead.


Have you listened to Kyles commenatry on Tees, Bares no resemblance to what is actually happening on the pitch.

Singh is a child in a mans body don,t forget.


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Kyles talking bollocks, the accounts aren’t due until the end of July.


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Kyles talking bollocks, the accounts aren’t due until the end of July.

could be another who does not like or rate singh but will not come out with it. just drip drip more negative stuff that many fans cannot wait to lap up.


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He’s retired now anyway from commentating, but says he’ll still be turning up for matches.

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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
Kyles talking bollocks, the accounts aren’t due until the end of July.


Always talks bollocks.
His commentry is so biased its unbelieveable.

Listen to the commentry on Tees, Then watch the highlights.


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Yep said he mighjt buy a season ticket, Then quickly changed tack and said he may just pick his games.


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