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 Post subject: Re: Why Sunak won’t win.
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When Mrs. May took over with a mandate to deliver Brexit, Truss 'realised' that leaving the EU had been a good idea all along, and went full on happy-clappy about Brexit when Boris took over and she saw which way the wind was blowing.

if a man in the street changes his mind on brexit or any other subject its called changing their minds. when politicians do it they call it a U turn and based on their future in the party. no lover of the political class but sometimes they cannot win.


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Come on Dizzy Lizzy.
Hope u dont go back on ya tax cut promises.
I aint a tory by the way but its only a 2 horse race.


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Well the new Laura Kuenssberg show on BBC1 showed how lightweight and bereft of ideas Dizzy Lizzy is. She couldn't give an answer to the question of how she will address the energy bill crisis other than saying she'll do 'something' next week. On this basis the Tories will be going into the next election without a manifesto other than to say that they'll announce one the day after the election! Sunak was infinitely better but looks like spending a couple of years on the back benches. On this basis I can see Tory MPs getting shot of her quite quickly with a comeback for Boris before the next election.

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After wading through this, I know why I prefer taking Ratboy out walking whatever the weather. :laugh:

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Did you not hear LT is going to bring back dog licences @ £50 per year to raise much needed funds?

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Did you not hear LT is going to bring back dog licences @ £50 per year to raise much needed funds?

:animals-dogrun: :laugh: :laugh:



and why not cat licences or goldfish or budgies and should be based on the weight of the animal as it size corresponds with its methane emission. :laugh:

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This is about the person who will probably be the new PM, God forgive us,
https://youtu.be/iS0fbzNLCCc


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She is truly awful and yes i can see Boris mounting a comeback.
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Did you not hear LT is going to bring back dog licences @ £50 per year to raise much needed funds?

:animals-dogrun: :laugh: :laugh:

What’s she gonna do, put number plates on their arses. The old dog licence cost more to administer than it brought in and nobody bothered, did the police ever pull your dog over to check, of course not.
Mind you they’ll probably privatise it or give it to the council then some ex floor walker in a fluorescent coat after two days ‘training’ will demand to see your dog licence, and you’ll tell him to fuck right off because you have no powers whatsoever.
There was a mad woman recently who wanted to give dog wardens the power to search your person to see if you had a poo bag on you, if not a fine. Seriously?

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Years ago you needed a Radio Licence if you had a radio in your car, they cost £1.5p in old money, my old man panicked when my brother fitted one in his Moggy 1000 and my old man being the honest man he was probably paid for it, they were abolished in February 1971.


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Well the new Laura Kuenssberg show on BBC1 showed how lightweight and bereft of ideas Dizzy Lizzy is. She couldn't give an answer to the question of how she will address the energy bill crisis other than saying she'll do 'something' next week. On this basis the Tories will be going into the next election without a manifesto other than to say that they'll announce one the day after the election! Sunak was infinitely better but looks like spending a couple of years on the back benches. On this basis I can see Tory MPs getting shot of her quite quickly with a comeback for Boris before the next election.


They never do give an answer to the question that Kuensburg asked so there is no point in asking it.
She is not officially leader yet and Parliament doesn't take kindly to being told by the media.
If she wins she'll announce her plans to tackle the energy crisis within a week is the best you are going to get. It's a you'll have to wait and see answer but journalists, as usual, don't know what wait and see means. When a politician starts with "what I can tell you is " is a sure sign you're not getting an answer and will be told to wait.
That has been the case for as long as I can remember. The only exception is when they deliberately leak something to test reaction. I am surprised at anyone not knowing that. They all do it.

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This was car-crash television. All politicians can be evasive when required but this was potentially the opportunity for her to give some comfort to those feeling desperate and she gave none. She has already announced her tax cuts to the media and her support for fracking etc so there's no excuse not to reveal some broad parameters of her proposed support. She is out of her depth and was ridiculed by Joe Lycett in the new format of the show. She won't be around long.

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Bit of pointless interviews as the votes have all been cast, wait till who ever is installed and see if they change their proposed views.


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Whats going to happen with Sunak is going to be interesting.
Cabinet job, return to backbench, leave parliament and force a by election?????

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Whats going to happen with Sunak is going to be interesting.
Cabinet job, return to backbench, leave parliament and force a by election?????


He will leave Parliament his ego trip over, even if he resigns his seat and the Tories lost they still have a massive majority in Parliament.


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Critical Thinking wrote:
Did you not hear LT is going to bring back dog licences @ £50 per year to raise much needed funds?

:animals-dogrun: :laugh: :laugh:

What’s she gonna do, put number plates on their arses. The old dog licence cost more to administer than it brought in and nobody bothered, did the police ever pull your dog over to check, of course not.
Mind you they’ll probably privatise it or give it to the council then some ex floor walker in a fluorescent coat after two days ‘training’ will demand to see your dog licence, and you’ll tell him to fuck right off because you have no powers whatsoever.
There was a mad woman recently who wanted to give dog wardens the power to search your person to see if you had a poo bag on you, if not a fine. Seriously?


Snowy it was a joke, surely you realised that but obviously you didn't?

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Jamie1952 wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
Whats going to happen with Sunak is going to be interesting.
Cabinet job, return to backbench, leave parliament and force a by election?????


He will leave Parliament his ego trip over, even if he resigns his seat and the Tories lost they still have a massive majority in Parliament.


If he does resign he most probably will end up in the HoL as Lord Sunak of Richmond


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This was car-crash television. All politicians can be evasive when required but this was potentially the opportunity for her to give some comfort to those feeling desperate and she gave none. She has already announced her tax cuts to the media and her support for fracking etc so there's no excuse not to reveal some broad parameters of her proposed support. She is out of her depth and was ridiculed by Joe Lycett in the new format of the show. She won't be around long.

prefer em to say nothing as its far better than promising people the earth and end up getting nothing at all. some are getting despirate before the events and will expect any words said to be followed through. rarely does this happen and will make the situation worse than it is.


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This was car-crash television. All politicians can be evasive when required but this was potentially the opportunity for her to give some comfort to those feeling desperate and she gave none. She has already announced her tax cuts to the media and her support for fracking etc so there's no excuse not to reveal some broad parameters of her proposed support. She is out of her depth and was ridiculed by Joe Lycett in the new format of the show. She won't be around long.

prefer em to say nothing as its far better than promising people the earth and end up getting nothing at all. some are getting despirate before the events and will expect any words said to be followed through. rarely does this happen and will make the situation worse than it is.


Quite right Mr Accy. They don't have to answer questions on anything. Just because Truss has chosen to announce one or two measures being considered doesn't make it mandatory to put more meat on the bones. Anyway if a politician refuses to go into detail on plans or proposals the BBC will put their own spin on it. Hints have been given that announcements will be forthcoming in a matter of days, so we won't have to wait long. We don't know absolutely that she has got the job and yet people are now predicting she won't last long. Based on what. First hurdle, get the job. Second hurdle form a cabinet. Third hurdle, announce plans to tackle the current problems. Fourth hurdle, put those plans in place. Fifth hurdle, ask Mr SPlod if he approves. The only absolute in all that is the guarantee that people like Mr SPlod will automatically disagree.
Why?? I think that is obvious.

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I presume you didn't see the car-crash interview

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It doesn’t matter who wins, they have a helluva job on their hands, gas prices increased by another 25% today due to the closure of the Gazprom pipeline. Who ever thought it was a great idea to rely on gas from Russia albeit the U.K. only receives a minimal amount from Russia.


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Gazprom used to sponsor the european champions league........how things change!

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Who ever thought it was a great idea to rely on gas from Russia albeit the U.K. only receives a minimal amount from Russia.

Thing is we are exporting record levels of gas to Germany to make up their shortfall and to fill their storage. This hardens gas market prices in the UK and raises the price of gas for electricity generation, hence ever rising energy cost projections for UK customers.

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Who ever thought it was a great idea to rely on gas from Russia albeit the U.K. only receives a minimal amount from Russia.

Thing is we are exporting record levels of gas to Germany to make up their shortfall and to fill their storage. This hardens gas market prices in the UK and raises the price of gas for electricity generation, hence ever rising energy cost projections for UK customers.


We are exporting record levels of gas, does that mean the U.K. has a surplus of gas ?


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Like most high cost industries its most efficient for them if they run at a flat rate throughout the year. UK demand for gas is lowest in the summer and highest in the winter. We have been exporting gas through the summer. In the winter the gas suppliers will sell to whoever pays the highest price (subject to any obligations through contracts). The Norwegians, who have been our biggest source of imports, have already siad they will prioritise home demand. We have not said the same. We have also been exporting high levels of electricity to France in recent months since they have been having problems with their nuclear flett. This again increases 'market' prices for all UK customers.

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Like most high cost industries its most efficient for them if they run at a flat rate throughout the year. UK demand for gas is lowest in the summer and highest in the winter. We have been exporting gas through the summer. In the winter the gas suppliers will sell to whoever pays the highest price (subject to any obligations through contracts). The Norwegians, who have been our biggest source of imports, have already siad they will prioritise home demand. We have not said the same. We have also been exporting high levels of electricity to France in recent months since they have been having problems with their nuclear flett. This again increases 'market' prices for all UK customers.


When you talk about ‘we’ you are talking about privatised foreign owned utility companies who are only in it to make money for the shareholders.


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So this xtra 1.25% health tax we been paying gets scrapped straight away.
Thats what she said.
October or blagged to April?


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Splod wrote:
I presume you didn't see the car-crash interview


Presuming that question was aimed at me, I don't know of any car crash, or interview pertaining to a car crash, or who was involved, or who interviewed any person or persons involved in the car crash to which you refer.
I sincerely hope no one was hurt.
If the question wasn't aimed at me, perhaps you could attach the person's name to your question.

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The Joker and Riddler hits back!!?? sctatchinghead

https://www.theguardian.com/global/vide ... ouch-video


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She is truly awful and yes i can see Boris mounting a comeback.
Wheres my passport...............




Ursula Gertrud von dey Leyen needs all the help she can get atm..good on you all the same comrade. sctatchinghead


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
The Tory party membership is overwhelmingly middle England, middle class 40+ and mostly 50+. This is the age of Love thy Neighbours and Alf Garnett remember and I don’t believe the rank and file will vote for a disloyal non white in large enough numbers. Apart from his colour it’s becoming clear that his campaign has been months in the making and clearly involved a plan to get rid of Boris - his campaign website was registered last December by the way.

I’m not making a defence or a judgment just telling it as it is. This why I feel Truss will win. The MP’s will whittle it down to Truss and Sunak then the membership will vote for the white girl who was loyal to Boris.



I've just read through this entire thread. Quite an impressive prediction on the opener by Mr Irrelevant!


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All done now. I voted for Liz Truss on the basis that she isn’t Snakey Backstabbing Sunak. The only question is the margin of victory which we will discover after the weekend.

At least we know who to blame :laugh:

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Did you not hear LT is going to bring back dog licences @ £50 per year to raise much needed funds?

:animals-dogrun: :laugh: :laugh:

What’s she gonna do, put number plates on their arses. The old dog licence cost more to administer than it brought in and nobody bothered, did the police ever pull your dog over to check, of course not.
Mind you they’ll probably privatise it or give it to the council then some ex floor walker in a fluorescent coat after two days ‘training’ will demand to see your dog licence, and you’ll tell him to fuck right off because you have no powers whatsoever.
There was a mad woman recently who wanted to give dog wardens the power to search your person to see if you had a poo bag on you, if not a fine. Seriously?


Snowy it was a joke, surely you realised that but obviously you didn't?
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Would have been more recognisable as a joke if you’d have asked if the dog licence was cheaper if you had a black and white one


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Well ahes definitely making a dogs dinner of it. She needs to grow a pair and tell the backstabbers where to get off.


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Truss has shown no loyalty to her big mate the Chancellor of the Exchequer and deserves none herself. I'll be surprised if she lasts another week.

If your party has any sense left they'll change the rules so that MPs get to pick the new PM if a sitting PM resigns in office. There are millions of votes behind the 350+ Tory MPs. Not 1 in 7 of them wanted Truss as their new leader in the first ballot. The beauty contest over the summer for the benefit of 140,000 Tory members allowed her to tear up most of Boris Johnson's election manifesto - including levelling up - to promise a load of unfunded tax cuts for the rich instead. The whole thing was a farce.


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BJ manifesto was just full of empty promises such as levelling up/northern power house etc etc. Its just a marketing trick to convince the electorate that there is a well thought out policy when in fact its just hot air.

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BJ manifesto was just full of empty promises such as levelling up/northern power house etc etc. Its just a marketing trick to convince the electorate that there is a well thought out policy when in fact its just hot air.


How long did you take to work that one out Mr Streak.To my knowledge that scenario has been happening since I first voted, which was for Harold Wilson.
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BJ manifesto was just full of empty promises such as levelling up/northern power house etc etc. Its just a marketing trick to convince the electorate that there is a well thought out policy when in fact its just hot air.


How long did you take to work that one out Mr Streak.To my knowledge that scenario has been happening since I first voted, which was for Harold Wilson.
You're learning my son. :wink:


Ahh yes the great Harold Wilson.

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BJ manifesto was just full of empty promises such as levelling up/northern power house etc etc. Its just a marketing trick to convince the electorate that there is a well thought out policy when in fact its just hot air.


How long did you take to work that one out Mr Streak.To my knowledge that scenario has been happening since I first voted, which was for Harold Wilson.
You're learning my son. :wink:

just join my party The Abstain Party as you then cannot blame yourself for what happens after. The only politician who did anything for me was michael portillo back in the 90,s when i got free shares in the west midlands travel buy out. Forget all the talk and promises the average person in the street will hardly be any worse off whoever is in power. its just one party that says stuff that suites your own point of view better then kicks you in the teeth because they never follow things through.


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Ahh yes the great Harold Wilson.

“A week is a long time in politics.”

and the pound in your pocket is worth the same. or something like that anyway.


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Prediction no 2…..

Boris will return.


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Kwasi Kwarteng
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Kemi Badenoch
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Ben Wallace
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Sajid Javid
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Ben Wallace is the only one untainted by this mess but would he take it?........would you? :roll:

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Ben Wallace is the only one untainted by this mess but would he take it?........would you? :roll:


If his defence budget is cut he won’t.


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 Post subject: Re: Why Sunak won’t win.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:48 pm 
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“He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery.”

‘He who embraces change without reading the small print, ends up in the cemetery.’
Ophelia Nuts, Rochdale Poet Laureate.

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 Post subject: Re: Why Sunak won’t win.
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Bluestreak wrote:
Kwasi Kwarteng
25/1
Kemi Badenoch
14/1
Boris Johnson
8/1
Ben Wallace
9/1
Sajid Javid
40/1
Penny Mordaunt
11/2


You left off Hunt at 3-1 and Rishi Sunak at 19/10. :lol:


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At least these clowns will be out of power next GE.


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 Post subject: Re: Why Sunak won’t win.
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I was joking with a friend that Liz Truss was a Lib-Dem sleeper sent to undermine the Tory party who was activated once she became PM.
He looked sternly and said that can be the only logical explanation for this mess. :lol:

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