I thought Labour needed to take seats in Scotland in order to get a working majority? They'll need to take seats of off Wee Kranky if they are serious about forming a government. In other words, we wont be seeing a Labour government any time soon. Maybe a Lib Lab coalition is the best they will manage.

Forget about Scotland, Labour need to win back the seats from the red wall constituencies and hope down south people vote Lib Dem to try and overcome the Tories 80 seat majority.

Scottish Nationalism is a massive help to the Conservative Party as they are biggest in England. Labour will only take power in a coalition.

I just think Starmer is the wrong leader.

Working class people I think don't like Sir this or Lord that and just want plain Mr/Mrs/Ms.

I'm not saying JC was the answer but there are several in the Shadow Cabinet who I believe would gather more support.

Sadly I think our system of poor education means most people hate 'politics' and prefer celebrity idiots like BJ. The English people are conservative with a small c and it's quite difficult to get a progressive Govt as the opposition are divided over 3 main parties now. There is a natural advantage for a reactionary Party , people here think Labour is left wing. If you look at some European countries that have been successful they have been very progressive and looked after their people. Here capitalism which gas helped a lot of people is now favouring the few and they control national resources . More people voted on Big Brother than will vote for our new PM

I've just a report by ex PM Gordon Brown that he reckons BoJo is about to announce at least 39 new Tory Peers to join the House of Lords.

They will all be expected to vote with the Government and will be rewarded with "Envoy" positions, CBE's and other additional titles.

Isn't it about time the HoL was abolished?

It's poor as every retiring PM can do it. For Poolie 1 another Russian donor, 2m and counting, to the Tories, whose hubby was Russian deputy finance minister will be announced as one of those Lords. Very grubby , her name Is Lubov Chernukin

Yes the HoL has got to be reformed/abolished. I can see things changing if the tories are voted out at the next election and the Queen moves on.

I see Charles has taken a step towards him never becoming King. Irrespective of legality, to accept a million quid for your charity from the Bin Laden family is beyond stupid.

It's really bad how they don't see this

Charles is as dim and entitled as his brother Andy.

There's a lot riding on the stupid gene skipping a generation in William's case.

He is worth some £100 million so why doesn't he fund this so called charity himself?

And as Mr I took this away from the 'leadership election' to Charles let's take it back again to pathetic Tory corruption. What has happened to Your party ?

if they mixed more with the average person and not live such a sheltered life away from reality i suppose they would all be more rounded individuals. blame the system more than the person. the system made em all what they have become.

I'll tell you what's happening to my party. Starmer is tearing it apart with his gaffs. He's stirring up a major rift with the unions. That's the unions who are his party's bread and butter.
Just as the Tories start to lose a bit of credibility Starmer has to emphasise that the Labour party is not a credible alternative whilst he is in charge.
It won't be long before he starts to wish that the Durham Constabulary had done a better job by finding him guilty, thus making him keep his pledge to resign.
The Union membership is a slightly bigger group than the Tory back benchers were.
Well at least we've got the Lib Dems. My God is that the best we can do.

The latest out of the bum statement by Sunak is that he vows to cut income tax from 20% to 16% by the end of the next Parliament - this could be Dec 2029.

Yes 7+ years from now.

There are 2 questions;

1) Will the Conservatives still be in power?

2) If they are will he still be PM?

Cloud Cuckoo Land awaits this multi-millionaire!

That's what Politicians do, they make promises that they don't or won't keep.
There is no surprise in that and they all do it.
In the Torv manifesto they said no NI increases, Sunak put them up.
Starmer said he would nationalise various areas like utilities, railways etc, he has now reneged on that.
It happens all the time. The surprising thing is people fall for it.
The best and most common response is we'll wait and see or we'll believe when we see it.

AND, always remember, when you get rid of a politician, any politician, all you achieve is you end up replacing that politician with another politician.

If Tories win the next election they will be in power forever, no credible opposition and I can’t see that changing, the Murdoch press and the red newspapers, Daily Mail, Express will see to that.

Starmer has to put some distance between himself and the unions and has got to be seen as his own man and not controlled by anyone otherwise it would be electoral suicide.
The disputes are between the employers and the unions but with the rail issues the employers just happen to be the Tory government.
In case anyone doesnt know the rail industry is effectively nationalised in all but name.

the problem is that the politician is now a professional politician who mainly has worked in politics in some form most of there working lives. not like the ones from the past who had other careers before moving into it. many labour ones were ex unions people and the tories directors or owners of some business or other. they had a much more rounded life experiance than those brought up to tell half truths and look good on the box or on social media.

However much things have changed the only change open to the electorate as things stand is that when a politician goes, another one takes his/her place. The only chink in the armour that remotely differs from the party line is an independent and we all know how long they last and how minute their voice is. Tories have always leaned towards capitalism and Labour towards socialism and that has changed very little over the years.
The electorate goes along with the side which suits them best or the philosophy which has been brainwashed into them.

The electorate in general couldn’t care less who is in power, how many over the years actually vote, the Council elections have a turnout of around 30% then they start complaining about services in the town.
The biggest turn out was for Brexit and look how that has turned out, lies upon lies from both camps.
People complaining when they go to Spain now they need to show they have £85 a day and a hotel booking, the right wing media/press making an issue of it. What they don’t realise it was always the case but was never enforced.

The electorate are showing their disdain for the politicians. They already act upon what I am saying............that the only choice they have is electing another politician....so they don't bother.
I think the whole point is that the electorate are fed up of politics and the people who portray politics, which are politicians.
Is there a better way, who knows.

Both of them are changing their minds on policy every day once someone points out the consequences of their outburst.
Clowns

Typical political ploy.
They propose something, wait for the response and if it is generally positive they get on doing it but if the response is negative they quickly abandon it. When subsequently challenged they say no it's not a u turn it's me actually listening.
Boris was a master at it.
Don't fall for it folks.

awwwh ffs...this woman is a cast iron vote loser..and so is the backstabbing weasel...just how the hell has it come to this? ..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62390016

Many years ago I had a boss who, amongst other comments on life, had one particular "lovely" outcry;

He / She has shit for brains.

I think he would have put Truss in that category.

[quote="poolie1"]awwwh ffs...this woman is a cast iron vote loser..and so is the backstabbing weasel...just how the hell has it come to this? ..

and on top of that the other lot do not look that great either. just over 2 years to go before one of em gets it right. its just hard to see it happening.

Johnson will be making a comeback prior to the next election, Truss won’t last 6 months.

derwent.."Typical political ploy.They propose something, wait for the response and if it is generally positive they get on doing it but if the response is negative they quickly abandon it."

....true..but not if you're running for leader it isn't....its not a jolly ploy in that context....just a case of shit for brains..

Its been an interesting 24 hours with Richi exposed for bragging that he had altered Treasury funding formulas to favour tory constituencies and Liz taken apart by Kay Burley on Sky about her constant u turns of beliefs and policies throughout her life. Perhaps she should just have listened to her dad.
I feel sorry for the tory members who have to choose between them.

Aw come on. Kay Burley? She couldn’t interview Basil Brush…..she’s a tribute to the embalmer’s art.

a U turn besicallymeans they have changed their mind on an issue. saying that makes it sound more serious than what it is. haven,t we all changed our minds on many issues from pools downwards. only a fool would stick to their first opinion if there is evidance about that proved you wrong.

You say that as if it was a bad thing, when the 'electorate' Sunak is trying to appeal to are all Tories

Anyway, what those two witter on about is nowt but window dressing while the country slides towards disaster this winter. It's always been a foregone conclusion that the Tory members would find reasons to support another white woman to be PM over a brown man.

thing is they,ll never forget thatcher or the tales of her.

Love her or hate her at least Thatcher and her cronies were politicians not like this mob today.
It’s scary thinking about the current crop of ‘politicians’ trying run the country clueless comes to mind not helped by the B.O.E. who took their eye of the ball by not increasing interest rates gradually instead of sticking them up by a big jump now.

Love her or hate her at least Thatcher and her cronies were politicians not like this mob today.
she wasn,t for turning or trying to appease every minority or view in the country.

Can anyone answer this?

If you go on strike do you receive any pay? I thought not.

Take the case of the workers at the Port of Felixstowe (Suffolk) who are going on an 8 day strike because they have "only" been offered a 7% rise.

Now if they don't get paid for these 8 days, it equates to 3% of their yearly money. They want a 9% wage increase but effectively they get it by not striking - 7% + 3% being 10%.

Am I being mad with my theory?

Yes but pay rise is there forever.

Yes until they gone on strike next year and the years thereafter.

All done now. I voted for Liz Truss on the basis that she isn’t Snakey Backstabbing Sunak. The only question is the margin of victory which we will discover after the weekend.

It's been all done since day one of this phoney contest. A Sunak victory was about as likely as Pools beating Man City at the Etihad in the 3rd round of the FA Cup.

If ever a politician has done his best to keep pressing the self distruct button then its rishi sunak. 18 months ago if johnson had resigned he,d have walked straight into the job with the backing of non tory voters behind him as well. now he,ll be a very lucky man to get any cabinet post in the truss government and he has a lot of hard work to do if he can ever reach the position of being a credible leader of the party.

She might not be as sneaky as RS but she is thick as sh*t and will prove to be the worst female PM out of Thatcher, May and her.

You might have thought Boris was bad but just wait and see.

Not saying RS is the answer by the the way, as there appears to be no creditable leader in both main parties.

Sunak will not stand as an MP again, in fact he might resign before the next election, his ego trip over, no chance of being the PM or even a place in anyones cabinet.

critical..."She might not be as sneaky as RS but she is thick as sh*t and will prove to be the worst female PM out of Thatcher, May and her."

...gorbachev gone..undoubtedly one of the most influential politicians of the last century..thatcher was another fyi....

Truss is truly awful. Let's just hope she gives our own waste of space Jill Mortimer some ministerial position so she will have another excuse not to visit Hartlepool.

blue..."Let's just hope she gives our own waste of space Jill Mortimer some ministerial position"

..i heard there were a few positions our last waste of space excelled at...disgraceful...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ult-claims

Yes, the principled Liz Truss, who voted Remain when she was a minister under David Cameron, saying: "I don't want my daughters to grow up in a world where they need a visa or permit to work in Europe, or where they are hampered from growing a business because of extortionate call costs and barriers to trade. Every parent wants their children to grow up in a healthy environment with clean water, fresh air and thriving natural wonders. Being part of the EU helps protect these precious resources and spaces."

When Mrs. May took over with a mandate to deliver Brexit, Truss 'realised' that leaving the EU had been a good idea all along, and went full on happy-clappy about Brexit when Boris took over and she saw which way the wind was blowing.

None of us are winning now. Morally bankrupt leaders.