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 Post subject: joe grey
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2022 4:05 pm 
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staying...contract extended....good news..

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... rey-stays/ clappp


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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Strange why we have only exercised his option rather than a new deal, surely he's got a bit of sell-on potential


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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Who is making these decisions???? Happy with this option. Have we actually got a manager but for some reason can't disclose who it is???
More questions than answers.
Looks like we are paying the wages of Odusina and Molyneux until the end of June and then they'll be off to pastures new, unless our phantom negotiator/decision maker suddenly engineers a Damascus moment.
Could it be Sweeney??

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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derwent wrote:
Who is making these decisions???? Happy with this option. Have we actually got a manager but for some reason can't disclose who it is???
More questions than answers.
Looks like we are paying the wages of Odusina and Molyneux until the end of June and then they'll be off to pastures new, unless our phantom negotiator/decision maker suddenly engineers a Damascus moment.
Could it be Sweeney??

Someone’s making a lot of decisions, but who…..?

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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Extending contracts for a year where possible seems like a sensible decision. The new manager will either rate them or not and the maximum damage is 12 months. If he rates them then he can negotiate a fresh deal during that year. It does suggest that the new manager won't be in too soon. Do contract run out at the end of June?

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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snowy..."Someone’s making a lot of decisions, but who…..?"

...hopefully boneheads mate stays well out of it all....its time.... :greetings-wavingblue:

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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Doesn’t really strengthen the team in my opinion. Still have to be convinced by him. No harm in 1yr.contract he’s probably on low wages.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2022 5:27 pm 
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Great news about Joe - he's a lad with a lot of potential. It was a no brainer to exercise the 1 year option on his contract - that us fans weren't told about for some reason. :angry-tappingfoot:

Doesn't matter who pulled the trigger on it - absolute no brainer.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2022 5:41 pm 
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If anyone in our team could possibly earn the club good money it be Joe grey. Still a lot to do though.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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Snowy wrote:
derwent wrote:
Who is making these decisions???? Happy with this option. Have we actually got a manager but for some reason can't disclose who it is???
More questions than answers.
Looks like we are paying the wages of Odusina and Molyneux until the end of June and then they'll be off to pastures new, unless our phantom negotiator/decision maker suddenly engineers a Damascus moment.
Could it be Sweeney??

Someone’s making a lot of decisions, but who…..?


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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Straight forward bit of business. This season will have given him alot of confidence and I think he will be important to us next season.

Before Spike was sacked the off field staff will have had a plan in place for all existing squad members.

It makes sense to continue with that plan that would probably end up with us having around 12-13 first team players our our books - meaning the new manager would have the budget to sign at least 9-10 additional first team players in the form of transfers, free agents and loans.

If Raj has his way (as he indicated in his bbc interview today) and he can get a new manager in within 2 weeks time, thats plenty of time for the new manager to bring in those 9-10 players.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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Straight forward bit of business. This season will have given him alot of confidence and I think he will be important to us next season.

Before Spike was sacked the off field staff will have had a plan in place for all existing squad members.

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Maybe the plan or lack of a plan was why he’s not here anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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kebab & chips wrote:
Snowy wrote:
derwent wrote:
Who is making these decisions???? Happy with this option. Have we actually got a manager but for some reason can't disclose who it is???
More questions than answers.
Looks like we are paying the wages of Odusina and Molyneux until the end of June and then they'll be off to pastures new, unless our phantom negotiator/decision maker suddenly engineers a Damascus moment.
Could it be Sweeney??

Someone’s making a lot of decisions, but who…..?


Nelson


Nelson is on holiday.

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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l heard it was garden leave...?


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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bosch.."Before Spike was sacked the off field staff will have had a plan in place for all existing squad members."

is that right?..."off field staff"?..who do you mean exactly?..and the plans for morris and cook by the off field staff for example...what will happen to those plans do you think..now that the planner in chief stanley unwin has been given the order of the boot..?..are you saying all these plans just..i dunno.. carry on regardless..?

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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It sounds like the planning for D Day only more complex…. Meanwhile back in the real world, there is no plan or even a hint of a plan, they’re just signing up a crew, the ‘great navigators’ are going ashore permanently.

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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It isn't rocket science, regarding the current squad all Raj has to do is ask Sweeney who he would keep if we wanted to achieve top 7 next season.

In terms of attracting new players and them buying into a managers vision, that's of course a problem and requires the new manager in post sooner rather than later.

If its sorted within a couple of weeks I think we'll be fine. If not, we could have problems getting the right people in.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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bosch.."regarding the current squad all Raj has to do is ask Sweeney who he would keep if we wanted to achieve top 7 next season."

so its ask sweeney now is it. ??..what happened to... "off field staff will have had a plan in place for all existing squad members." ??..why not just admit you aint got a clue pal... :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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If you are talking about a top seven place in the league I don’t think the signing of Crawford,Killip or grey are the type of signings that will get you there. You need better signings than them.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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derwent wrote:
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Nelson is on holiday.

hopefully without a return ticket. as for gray, the extention to his contract may be the only thing he was prepared to sign at the moment and did not want to be stuck with the club longer than that.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2022 10:25 am 
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If Grey is staying, he needs beefing up a bit to compete in this league.
To be honest, I don’t care who goes or stays,I want to see what the new manager brings in, in terms of players and attitude……that will be interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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Snowy wrote:
If Grey is staying, he needs beefing up a bit to compete in this league.
To be honest, I don’t care who goes or stays,I want to see what the new manager brings in, in terms of players and attitude……that will be interesting.

Make your mind up. You wanted Killip out quicker than covid yesterday,
But you are right it will be interesting to see what happens. Let's hope they get it right eh?
Make a change if they do won't it?
As for Grey he has bags of potential but needs to improve.
If the season started tomorrow he would be first choice cos the forward line competition is pathetic in my opinion. Mols apart that is. Let's hope we get a decent forward or 2 in for a change.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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medium wrote:
Snowy wrote:
If Grey is staying, he needs beefing up a bit to compete in this league.
To be honest, I don’t care who goes or stays,I want to see what the new manager brings in, in terms of players and attitude……that will be interesting.

Make your mind up. You wanted Killip out quicker than covid yesterday,
But you are right it will be interesting to see what happens. Let's hope they get it right eh?
Make a change if they do won't it?
As for Grey he has bags of potential but needs to improve.
If the season started tomorrow he would be first choice cos the forward line competition is pathetic in my opinion. Mols apart that is. Let's hope we get a decent forward or 2 in for a change.


I reckon pools would love to offload the 2 forwards we have now, they look like big mistakes. If we persevere next year with these two I dread to think where we will end up.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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I agree, but hope to be proved wrong. Can't see it though.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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medium wrote:
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If Grey is staying, he needs beefing up a bit to compete in this league.
To be honest, I don’t care who goes or stays,I want to see what the new manager brings in, in terms of players and attitude……that will be interesting.

Make your mind up. You wanted Killip out quicker than covid yesterday,
But you are right it will be interesting to see what happens. Let's hope they get it right eh?
Make a change if they do won't it?
As for Grey he has bags of potential but needs to improve.
If the season started tomorrow he would be first choice cos the forward line competition is pathetic in my opinion. Mols apart that is. Let's hope we get a decent forward or 2 in for a change.

Are you Killip’s agent……? You take a great interest in his ‘development’.
My mind was made up long ago and Killip’s already gone. We can do better.
Are you his Dad….? We should be told.

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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Snowy wrote:
medium wrote:
Snowy wrote:
If Grey is staying, he needs beefing up a bit to compete in this league.
To be honest, I don’t care who goes or stays,I want to see what the new manager brings in, in terms of players and attitude……that will be interesting.

Make your mind up. You wanted Killip out quicker than covid yesterday,
But you are right it will be interesting to see what happens. Let's hope they get it right eh?
Make a change if they do won't it?
As for Grey he has bags of potential but needs to improve.
If the season started tomorrow he would be first choice cos the forward line competition is pathetic in my opinion. Mols apart that is. Let's hope we get a decent forward or 2 in for a change.

Are you Killip’s agent……? You take a great interest in his ‘development’.
My mind was made up long ago and Killip’s already gone. We can do better.
Are you his Dad….? We should be told.


Just saying.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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unless he comes on leaps and bounds i hope the new manager uses grey more sparingly than lee did. played far too much and i always rated him more as an input sub after about a hour was played.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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I don’t see him as a first team regular yet by any means.

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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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I don’t see him as a first team regular yet by any means.

he is still a kid who is a bit scrawny and a work in progress. another reason why i,m glad lee has gone as if he had been fit he,d have played him no matter what and ended with him doing joe no favour at all. challinor certainly used him far better for me.


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 Post subject: Re: joe grey
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Use more sparingly? I believe he only started about 10 games all season.


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What,s that saying?
If they are good enough they are old enough.
Hope that's the case come August!


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Grey is our only youth player apart from Boyes. I believe that is part of the senior team so to speak. He is also one of our only few saleable assets. I thought a bumper 2.5 year deal would of been more sensible. Even if we had him out on loan should we be so lucky in getting say 3/4 new forward players. Which i highly doubt. He was used more correctly by DC and is a better impact sub at this point in his career. Give him another season with 15 plus games under his belt and yet again we have a Mols situation where a really good player is set to leave for free.
Glad hes staying but we still need much much better should we be looking for a decent mid table finish next season.


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It has to be simpler than people make out! Basically there are 2 sides in the discussion. As mentioned somewhere above Grey and his advisors probably don't want to commit beyond a year as they hope he improves. Maybe we made him an offer for more, maybe not.

As for leaving for nothing. He is still young enough, we have developed him and as long as we offer him a contract then a fee would have to be made at the end of the season should he leave.

We have only signed the 2 players since Lee left, any incoming manager would have no problems with Grey for a year, the only reson to get rid of him would be if he was causing trouble, which is very unlikely.

As for Killip, although many on here dislike him he has seen off a League 1 signing back to another League 1 and is one of the best position keepers in the Division, except for corners! Someone mentions Loach as better. My memories of him was though a few inches taller similarly poor on corners.


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Loach was player and players player of the year in his first year and players player of the year in his second year and goodness knows how many times he was man of the match. How many times after the match have we said Killop saved us or been man of the match?


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smallhead..."one of the best position keepers in the Division"

errr...the problem with fondop was condition...now killip is one of the best "position keepers" ..wtf..what on earth are you talkng about?..tell you what ..dont bother answering that... :laugh:


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medium wrote:
What,s that saying?
If they are good enough they are old enough.
Hope that's the case come August!

that only gets a mention when a kid comes off and never when they do not or get overplayed.


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As for Killip, although many on here dislike him he has seen off a League 1 signing back to another League 1
Er, could you rephrase that, it makes no sense

and is one of the best position keepers in the Division, except for corners
’except for corners’ is quite a big piece of a keepers game missing. A bit like being a one armed juggler..

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