Anyone knows why pools have started to do this again after the weeks of standing together in solidarity. Hope its a club and player decision without any outside influence on them.

When does it eventually stop.

Its well past its original statement.
All about power n control now.
Remember the Tears for Fears song
Everbody Wants To Rule The World.

as the change started with the new managers first game in charge.... i think its reasonable to assume he has something to do with it.....

Personally I wouldn't do it. Making exceptions of any group doesn't appeal to me, never has and never will.
Everybody should have the same chance, depending on their ability, capability and attitude as far as I'm concerned.
That actually happens in football, I don't believe any club or manager would overlook any player for what he looks like.

derwent......"personally i wouldnt do it"......what ? .....even if it meant you loosing your job..... and being abused as racist ??

All a bit Stalinesque really if you put it like that.

A gesture of team unity before the kick off whistle is a good thing, isn't it? On one level linking arms or a team huddle expresses the same thing.

Yes, everyone knows that kneeling is a bit more pointed. For one thing it acknowledges that black footballers have suffered racism in the past - in the very recent past at many grounds, including the Vic.

I'm happy with whatever the staff and the players decide amongst themselves is the appropriate thing to do. The minority of Pools fans who boo their own players for kneeling are achieving what exactly? Certainly not unity.

But how long does the ‘gesture’ go on for.....?

you can say the same thing though for those who applaud it. a few booing and a few more clapping equals disunity. neither a boo nor a clap from me. could not care a damn the colour of any pools player but if this nonsence at football, television parts and the rest of this stuff carries on like it is doing eventually a may change my mind. the best job for the best person end of.

This has got to the point where no one will dare stop it, it’ll become part of the pre-match official kick off routine if it goes on like this.

i believe the plan is for taking the knee to be "embedded permanently" in the structure of football..... and other sports......this is no short term phenomena.....in catholicism taking the knee is called "genuflection"....its been around for a while........its symbolic meaning is pretty clear......did it a lot in church when i was younger....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genuflection

Why would I lose my job? What legal grounds does any employer have to support him for sacking me cos I won't take the knee. Could he also demand that I followed a certain religion??????
I don't attend protest marches or finance protest groups by donating to them, never have and probably never will.
Taking the knee is not a requirement of employment anywhere in this country and I would like to see any employer try and make that one stick in a court of law.
Do you know of any footballer who has that requirement written into his contract???? Or in any employment contract for that matter.
Would you comply if the Church Of England demanded Church attendance as a condition of living in this Country.

Kick it Out had done an excellent job of dealing with racism in football. I really dont see why we have to have all our footballers kneeling before every game as though this country was some part of the deep South in the USA. Britain is one of the most tolerant least racist countries in the world. Having to kneel just points the finger at everyone as though we were all KKK members. I find it irritating to be honest. Just wondering if the players kneeling is going to prevent any potential racist from being racist while peeing off the rest of us.

Don't think it has anything to do with employment law. More to do with political pressure. Supposing a white, high profile Premiership footballer refused to kneel with his team mates. Imagine the twitter storm, newspaper articles, death threats, remarks from politicians? Of course there is no legal threat but all the other levels of criticism would make continuing a footballing career well nigh impossible. Better to keep your head down and follow the heard. At League Two level, things probably not as acute but the pressure to conform still very hard to resist.

Yes Catholics practise genuflection but it is not a required condition of entry to any Catholic establishment and nobody, to my knowledge, is under threat of losing anything for not doing it, so there is a choice. If that choice of whether to take the knee or not is denied to footballers then there is a positive difference to genuflection.
The top Church in Catholicism is St Peters in Rome, commonly referred to as the Vatican. Millions of people of all faiths, creeds and beliefs visit the place every year and there is no requirement to genuflect to take part. It is left to choice as taking the knee should be.
So what you should be saying is, if you want to use the genuflection route, be like the catholic church and refrain from making it compulsory.

I agree with it. Especially with our recent occasional issues.
It demonstrates that the players are against racism and definitely influences people to whom the team are role models.
Racism is not the only wrong doing in this world but one which has been a huge problem within this sport.
Why people feel affronted by some people kneeling down puzzles me... It seems to be false outrage.

I was answering the question posed to me by Mr Poolie when he asked "What if it meant losing your job?"

So when does it end?
The point is now well and truly made, move on or assume nothing can ever move forward.

You are perfectly entitled to agree with it and players are perfectly entitled to demonstrate their support for it by taking the knee and I am not affronted by any of that. I support the idea of freedom of choice.
What I don't support is the idea that some would want it to be mandatory or even a condition of being a player.
It is a bit ironic that freedom of choice should be be sacrificed in favour of a protest. I can't back that notion.
I back the idea of sorting out the problem of racial abuse, or any other abuse, especially to the children of this World.

Yes, I appreciate that but as this is a public forum I thought I would give my two pennorth. No offence was meant and no intent to cause chew of any kind.

No offence taken ,mate. Your opinion is very welcome.

https://news.sky.com/story/quinton-de-kock-south-african-cricketer-apologises-for-refusing-to-take-knee-and-insists-he-is-not-a-racist-12453400

His stance (quite literally) cost him an international cap

Why it should be a consideration that if by not taking the knee that automatically makes you racist is beyond me.
No good will come of this, in fact it could knock any progress made against racism backwards.
My sympathy is with the players and a mockery is made of the whole thing if players comply only through fear.

if you do not kneel with many they suppose you are racist. having something permanently put into your face no matter what will end up with people going the opposite way. far too much box ticking and box tickers in our life as it is.

I believe some black players Zaha at Palace to name but one have given up kneeling as they say it is no longer effective and is taken for granted. Lets all just enjoy the game and embrace all player regardless of their race. John Barnes has written a good book about the racism he has had in his life.

I have a problem with the politicisation of football for a number of causes and the absurd idea that if you don’t embrace the chosen cause you are against it.
For example, I don’t go around with a banner calling for no nuclear war, I don’t have to , it’s bloody self evident that no one sane does .......just a minority of nutters.
I abhor this trend of you must publicly declare your beliefs... it means nothing... any fool can act the part and comply for their own self interest....it’s so very Orwellian.
Just accept that the majority have no wish to abuse anyone and trust them.

[quote="Snowy"]
I abhor this trend of you must publicly declare your beliefs... it means nothing... any fool can act the part and comply for their own self interest....it’s so very Orwellian.

you mean like any so called celebrity, film, stage and tv star seem to do. who could care less what these luvvies think. go the opposite way to the majority of em and you will not go far wrong.

Precisely, people are questioning themselves now because of this. There will be nutters out there who will say "well if I'm going to be accused of something, I might as well wear the badge." That won't stop racism it will fuel it.
Continuously putting something into people's faces can have different results to those expected, unless it's free pints of ale...........and even then.......

The trouble with this whole thing is the automatic assumption that people are racist and need to be ‘educated’. Nonsense, most people probably haven’t given it a thought, but gestures like this won’t change anything after the initial action, repetition will just make it a ritual reminder.

I'd suck off a tramp before I'd consider doing the kneeling bollocks.

I think it's gone beyond the "sell by date" and the players should be told that if they still want take the knee this can be done 10 minutes after the final whistle!

So when does it end?
The point is now well and truly made, move on or assume nothing can ever move forward.[/quote].




Anyone still waiting for a reply to snowy's question and point raised ?

Easy Mr I
Sussex mite take that as an invitation.

and never forget the whole thing was staetwd because a vicious career criminal was murdered after he tried to pass a dud note in a shop full of drugs and resisting arrest.

Easy Mr I
Sussex mite take that as an invitation.
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You getting mixed up with the actor Jussie Smollett case, or just looking at gay porn sites again kpg?

Indeed. Floyd was no loss to humanity.

The Sunderland players have put an end to it.
Hope they beat the Arsenal.

Kiss of death.

Sunderland played quite well and still got hammered by Arsenal Reserves.

Reminded me of being at Maine road for Man City 6 Pools 0 in 1976. A good pay day for the club but definitely not a fun day out unless you were too pissed to care.

Been told a few times that tbere was hell on outside the ground.

just like the teams coming out together, lining up with that srupid and pointless Respect handshake. why now do they have still to line up without the handshake. actually find this load of balls as bad as kneeling.

Totally agree, Mr Accy.