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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:54 pm 
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We had one of the lower budgets in the national league,


That's not true. A couple of months back when the amounts clubs had spent on agent's fees was published I posted a comparison of what NL clubs had spent. The two Counties, Notts and Stockport, were way out front with over £60k spent on agent's fees but Pools spent over £40k on agents and were in the top handful of clubs who had splashed the cash in that Covid year. We spent a lot more than Torquay, for example.

I have no idea how our player budget compares with other League Two clubs this coming season but Mansfield are obviously up there trying to buy promotion along with the likes of Salford.

Challinor said he knew for fact we had a bottom half budget last year.


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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:31 pm 
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he goes with well wishes for me, done a job in getting us back up into football league and we move on. this time last season we would hardly have been excited about prospect of signing him.

Agreed. Don't think there were too many on here putting the flags out when he re- signed last year.
Wouldn't object to us replacing him with Danny Elliott, if possible. Thought he looked useful...... and quick !


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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:31 pm 
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
We had one of the lower budgets in the national league,


That's not true. A couple of months back when the amounts clubs had spent on agent's fees was published I posted a comparison of what NL clubs had spent. The two Counties, Notts and Stockport, were way out front with over £60k spent on agent's fees but Pools spent over £40k on agents and were in the top handful of clubs who had splashed the cash in that Covid year. We spent a lot more than Torquay, for example.

I have no idea how our player budget compares with other League Two clubs this coming season but Mansfield are obviously up there trying to buy promotion along with the likes of Salford.

Challinor said he knew for fact we had a bottom half budget last year.


When is he supposed to have said that? Pools started the season with a poor budget - that's clear from the calibre of the signings other than Ferguson and Oates. But as the season went on Raj kept finding the money to bring in additional players, from Johnson right through to Elliot and Francis-Angol. £40k paid to agents was a lot by NL standards.


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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:29 pm 
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Heard from a reliable source today that DC got 11 new players lined up.
I feel a lot better now.
Any player who isent 100% commited to POOLS will soon be forgotten about.
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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:38 pm 
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It didn’t happen overnight. Oates like Armstrong will have been in the sights of these clubs months ago. They probably covered their own backs in case promotion never happened.

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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
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Flying Hogans wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
Flying Hogans wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
We had one of the lower budgets in the national league,


That's not true. A couple of months back when the amounts clubs had spent on agent's fees was published I posted a comparison of what NL clubs had spent. The two Counties, Notts and Stockport, were way out front with over £60k spent on agent's fees but Pools spent over £40k on agents and were in the top handful of clubs who had splashed the cash in that Covid year. We spent a lot more than Torquay, for example.

I have no idea how our player budget compares with other League Two clubs this coming season but Mansfield are obviously up there trying to buy promotion along with the likes of Salford.

Challinor said he knew for fact we had a bottom half budget last year.


When is he supposed to have said that? Pools started the season with a poor budget - that's clear from the calibre of the signings other than Ferguson and Oates. But as the season went on Raj kept finding the money to bring in additional players, from Johnson right through to Elliot and Francis-Angol. £40k paid to agents was a lot by NL standards.

Towards the back end of the season said most of our loans we were only paying 40 to 50 percent off. Just because we paid 40 k on agent's doesnt mean we were big spenders some clubs refuse to even deal with agents. Another hint that our wages aren't close to matching the top sides in conference was that Bennett was on double what any pools player was on.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:04 pm 
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Sutton a team reportedly one of the lowest budgets in the national league have managed to just sign a player we can't afford, shows you what Challinor is up against.


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https://www.suttonunited.net/welcome-richie-bennett/


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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
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Snowy wrote:
It didn’t happen overnight. Oates like Armstrong will have been in the sights of these clubs months ago. They probably covered their own backs in case promotion never happened.

so true. many in the past have known where they will be playing next season before the bluebells come up. those who then do stay may have received a better contract option that they previously never thought would happen.


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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:31 am 
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think all these agents just seem to have one thing on their minds. getting the best financial deal for a player which might not be the best career move for that player. in normal jobs money is not everything as i know for certain. sideways moves can put a few extra quid in your pocket but can end up you leaving where you were popular to somewhere you end up in the canteen as a billy no mates.


And if it doesnt work out you get a transfer somewhere else and are compensated for being moved on before your contract has expired.
Most footballers are badge kissing mercenaries, they dont care what shirt they wear, they just care about their bank balance.

those badge kissers are real pee boilers. some fans love it but like you i know they,ll be off as quick as they can to kiss another badge for a few quid more. then when they make their next move they all come out with the same old shit about how great their new club, manager and facilities are. its quite easy to actually turn your back on football rather than be attracted to it nowadays.


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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:12 pm 
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Most players are just jobbing contractors with a sales pitch, of course there’s those that genuinely love the club they play for, but they are in the minority.
Best take everything the contractors say and every gesture with a large pinch of salt. Time will tell if they really mean it.
I’m still grieving over Terry Bell going to Reading as a kid.

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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
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Flying Hogans wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
We had one of the lower budgets in the national league,


That's not true. A couple of months back when the amounts clubs had spent on agent's fees was published I posted a comparison of what NL clubs had spent. The two Counties, Notts and Stockport, were way out front with over £60k spent on agent's fees but Pools spent over £40k on agents and were in the top handful of clubs who had splashed the cash in that Covid year. We spent a lot more than Torquay, for example.

I have no idea how our player budget compares with other League Two clubs this coming season but Mansfield are obviously up there trying to buy promotion along with the likes of Salford.



The problem with publishing gross agents fees is that it only tells half the story. The half being told here is that we paid £40k in total, but we’re not being told is if that £40k across 10 players or whether it was spent on three players. Not all players have agents and not all agents have the same bargaining power to demand a fee from both club and player. An awful lot of agents are only able to take a cut of the players’ football related earnings and are not able to demand a fee from the clubs. It could well be that some of the teams that spent more than us spent their fees on three or four marquee or bigger signings, where is DC spent £40k across a number of players.


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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:17 pm 
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The chairman went and got the manager. He backed him. The team needed the benefit of the doubt last season. Incredibly we made it with some astute loan signings and the manager and coaches getting the best of the squad. It’s not the time now to start kicking off about anything. It’s time to have some faith. I mean I’m dying to see some signings too but I’m sure they’ll do their utmost. Why wouldn’t they?


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[/quote]And if it doesn't work out you get a transfer somewhere else and are compensated for being moved on before your contract has expired.
Most footballers are badge kissing mercenaries, they dont care what shirt they wear, they just care about their bank balance.[/quote]
those badge kissers are real pee boilers. some fans love it but like you i know they,ll be off as quick as they can to kiss another badge for a few quid more. then when they make their next move they all come out with the same old shit about how great their new club, manager and facilities are. its quite easy to actually turn your back on football rather than be attracted to it nowadays.
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Very true. If they are 'not up to it/or crap' in your own opinion then it's bye bye, but if you don't want them to leave, you can feel slightly betrayed. But at the end of the day it's just a job, even if you're a local lad playing for your team. We obviously need a striker or 2, hopefully by the end of the month we will be happy with Dave Challinor's purchases. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
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The chairman went and got the manager. He backed him. The team needed the benefit of the doubt last season. Incredibly we made it with some astute loan signings and the manager and coaches getting the best of the squad. It’s not the time now to start kicking off about anything. It’s time to have some faith. I mean I’m dying to see some signings too but I’m sure they’ll do their utmost. Why wouldn’t they?

Exactly. They’ve produced the goods, let them get on with their job.
Funny how all the real ‘experts’ on how a club should be run, from team selection to finances and everything else come to that, have never even ran so much as a raffle.

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 Post subject: Re: Oates to Mansfield
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Funny how all the real ‘experts’ on how a club should be run, from team selection to finances and everything else come to that, have never even ran so much as a raffle.

but might have organised piss ups in pubs and clubs if they could not find the brewery. its football at the end of the day and pools fans are just like fans of other clubs. alter club officials and players names then the same post will be seen on any fans massageboard somewhere else in the country.


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Massageboard? Phwoar that sounds good!


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