careful, the jeremy corbyn haters will be after you for that.

Who is this Jeremy Corbyn of which you speak ?

He needs to keep his brother Piers under lock and key..he's already been arrested twice this year.

a member of a london criminal family the way things are going.

Boris saying from next week up to 200000 jabs a day.
A bit of optimism for semi normality and most of the country down to Tier 2 for May/June.
Keep the faith for seeing Pools at Wembley.
UTP.

Compulsory wearing ov facemasks outdoors on its way been mentioned on the news.
About 4/5 months to late .
And these Tory ministers blow up each others arses like they doing a good job handling this pandemic.

Death rate due to peak next week due to Boris playing Santa over Xmas.

[quote="kevin pooles gloves"]Compulsory wearing ov facemasks outdoors on its way been mentioned on the news.
About 4/5 months to late .

so another problem then crops up. how on earth would wearing a face mask help to reduce the virus spread walking my dogs on the moors with no one within 100 yards of me. sorting out how supermarkets carry on their businesses would be more practical. they seem to be the new indoor meeting places nowadays.

Will be Autumn by the time everyone is vaccinated, and thats if everything goes to plan and nothing else crops up in the meantime. Unfortunately those at the back of the queue for the vaccine will be the very people who who make up the majority of football crowds. Can't see the likes of local football starting again until the Autumn, possibly even this time next year.

Keep ya eye on them moor Drones AF

[quote="horden". Can't see the likes of local football starting again until the Autumn, possibly even this time next year.[/quote]
and thats where the vast majority of football is still played. my worry is how many players and refs as well as clubs just pack it in before then. its going to be a big decision for me anyway wether i,ll start another season especially without changing rooms which has happened this one. got away with it somewhat as the day it did piss down the club opened its changing rooms as they said no one should be changing at the side of the pitch in poaring rain for health reasons other than covid.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-any ... e-12195040



500 sobs if you test positive.How many will ditch the mask?

I can just imagine the faces of the work shy and idiots now wanting to get infected so they can get there hands on 500 notes, whst a stupid idea to do it

80000 more deaths than predicted back in April.
A small country with a large population shoul /could of been managed n governed in a stricter manner
Lockdown tier system weak as piss compared to other country's.
The Vaccine seems to be goin ok bit a classic case of to little to late.
RIP to the victims this pandemic has taken

The future is certainly bleak

ONS death figures
2013 - 506790
2014 - 501424
2015 - 529655
2016 - 525048
2017 - 533253
2018 - 541589
2019 - 530841
2020 - 561529

Considering the population increases most years then the death total should rise in proportion too.
in 1993 - 1996 the death rates were almost as high, or higher, than 2020.
Obviously its sad for those that have died but if they were to announce daily death totals all the time in a "normal" year, what would the reaction be?

Maybe Flu n Pheumonia are in with the covid deaths.

Well FUCK OFF and RESIGN

agree on that. no matter what your take on the virus its time for him to go and set up his own youtube channel where he actually belongs.

Someone asked on another forum that if Boris is responsible for the 100,000 plus people who have sadly died is he also responsible for the fact that over three and a half million have been saved.

Have they been saved, Vaccine carries no Guarantees.

He never mentioned the vaccine, he was referring to the number of people who have caught the virus and survived it...........so far.
If you want my opinion, the only guarantee I can give you is that one day you, me and everybody else will die. The question is when, where and how but I'm fairly assured that the vaccine is a worthwhile tool to have in the box.
The other guarantee I am fairly confident of giving you is that when you get rid of a politician, you can be pretty certain that he or she will be replaced by another politician and not always for the best but I think we are all fully aware of that revelation.

What a mess the EU is with vaccine roll out, and what a nasty ,spiteful lot they're turning out to be.

I agree, they have been left behind and I dare bet Germany and France will be a lot nearer the front of the queue than Ireland. Just imagine still being at the mercy of that shambles if we were still under that umbrella. All vaccines manufactured in the EU will be distributed through Brussels and only when we are ready to do so. When the dust settles and the picture is clearer would anybody be surprised when it is discovered that they have made "errors" in their counting techniques in assembling the correct data surrounding covid.

Do you have a link to the source for those figures? The ONS shows deaths registered in England & Wales in 2020 as being well over 600,000.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales

Picked it up off twitter. Even the most hardened leftie conceded all bar the last number were correct.
There were a couple of exceptionally high (compared to the norm) year in the 90s too.

Surely the last figure is the most important one, as that's the one being compared to previous years? It's out by tens of thousands so doesn't give a fair and accurate comparison. Use the correct figure and it shows deaths well above average, which is the exact opposite to what you're trying to say.

BT sport's 1 live.

Decent crowd at this game in Australia.
No facemasks or social distancing.


you got to applaud their government and its neighbours New Zealand in there strict lockdown measures months ago.

Now reaping the rewards and getting their economies back on track.

Not Rocket Science is it

they were saved by the NHS like the 99 per cent are who catch the virus and survive not johnson. neither did he willfully kill 100,000 either. its just for me he isn,t the man to run a country and nothing to do with him being a tory either.

If he went who would you like to see in the hot seat.

I remember folk getting dogs abuse for wanting out of this EU dictatorship.How stupid do the remainers look now.

Good question..remainers first please.

If he went who would you like to see in the hot seat.[/quote]


Good question..remainers first please.[/quote]

It is a good question, and you haven't yet answered it.

I'm sticking with Boris and his scientific advisers..early lockdown and curfews hasn't worked out for a lot countries, it's still raging in the EU.

come on,roll out the names mr horden?

Why? not my party, can't think of anyone in the current tory party who would make a good leader , mind you I don't think the tories necessarily select their leaders on that basis.

do not know all the present front benchers are apart from the big names. for me its a situation of anyone but johnson. he is just the type who if i was a tory would put me off supporting them. just as slimy tony and his new labour forced me in joining the abstain party in their time. do not think sunak has come out of this too badly and he,d get my vote without too much knowledge of the others.

I agree with how Sunak has performed but I don't see him as a leader as yet due to his lack of experience but he has shown up well in what can only be described as a baptism of fire.
I'll leave it to Boris for the time being. The last thing we need is the upheaval of Leadership replacements.
I think Mr I is the only Tory party member on here so he can advise us as an insider.

Credit where its due, the rollout of the vaccine has been impressive, well done the NHS and all the workers involved, NHS, GP surgeries, volunteers etc. Lets just hope it works.

Yeah, a really brilliant effort all round. I got a letter from the NHS on Saturday offering me the jab. I booked online and getting it tomorrow at the Sheffield arena and my second one in April. It was so easy to arrange and very efficient. Sheffield reckon everybody in the top four groups will be done by the end of this week. The take up is over 80%. I have been to Sheffield Arena quite a lot for numerous events but I never envisaged getting me vaccine there.
South Yorkshire probably never coined the phrase "just get on with it" but they sure as hell put it into practise.

got my letter today offering it basically somewhere in england. if you do not reply it does not mean you have refused it but have to wait for your local surgery to do it. at least this way i,ll be able to see how others have got on with it locally.

If you're going to have it mate I would take the earliest opportunity if I were you. It would be a bit silly if you caught it whilst you were waiting. It's up to you of course. My letter didn't mention any particular venue, the offers were made at the point of application either online or by phoning 119. No mention of anywhere in England. That sounds a bit funny to me and not funny ha ha. We get a series of options but all approx within half an hours drive. Donny Rovers ground is one of them. I was offered Tues to Fri this week and opted for Tues evening. You get a slot which minimises the size of the number of attendees at any given time. Around here they are using big venues that have loads of parking and can handle large groups safely like leisure centres, arenas, sports complexes etc. Apparently the whole show is highly efficient. I don't think our local surgery is going to do any. I'm not sure about the hospitals as they seem to have enough on their plates. I suppose living out of town necessitates travel for me but it's not that far and pretty easy to get to. I'll enjoy the ride out.

The 20% non takers will mean us young uns will get it quicker.

you can have mine.

[quote="derwent"]

If you're going to have it mate I would take the earliest opportunity if I were you. It would be a bit silly if you caught it whilst you were waiting. It's up to you of course. My letter didn't mention any particular venue, the offers were made at the point of application either online or by phoning 119. No mention of anywhere in England. That sounds a bit funny to me and not funny ha ha. We get a series of options but all approx within half an hours drive. Donny Rovers ground is one of them.
i,ll risk not having it. my letter did not give a venue either and the somewhere in england was a sarcastic comment on the WW2 reports where this was regularly stated against the present virus war. valley parade, or whatever they try to call it nowadays, would be an option for me as they have started doing it there. unlike the keepmoat it would certainly be a better place to find pricks.

Good luck mate and keep safe.

Looks like people in the vulnerable groups are being asked the travel to other towns to get jab or wait until local provision is returned.
I think to publicity of the North Easts early success has backfired.

thought we were not supposed to travel anyway and avoid public transport. plenty of the oldies have no option but to use it. fine though for something the government ants em to do.

We are allowed essential travel. Going for the vaccine is classed as essential travel.

ok i,ll give you that one. on the other hand there is an article in the lancashire telegraph{connot download this stuff i,m afraid} about 3 to 4 hour waits in the cold for the must vunerable waiting for their jab. all had a pre arranged time to get to blackburn cathedral for it.

You don't have to give me anything. The rules are the rules, I don't make them, I just try to follow them. There are numerous large vaccination centres across the country and there are more opening all the time and the fact that over 10 million jabs have been given tells me that the operation is successful, to say the least. I have been to one and it was ultra efficient. The experts said there would be bumps and lumps along the way. I don't know what happened at Blackburn Cathedral to cause a three to four hour waiting and queueing time, surely the Lancashire Telegraph gave the reasons. Was there a shortage of vaccines, shortage of staff, did the weather affect deliveries, or a haulage breakdown or what. Oh and Blackburn Cathedral has a heating system. Was it broken or deliberately turned off or what ????????????????????? There was obviously a problem, so what was it????
They are using these large venues because it is generally easy for people to park, easy to arrange social distancing, easy to operate a one way system and easy to keep people out of the elements. There's a lot of people putting a lot of effort into reducing the effect of the virus but you don't sound as if you are supporting them, and thousands of them are volunteers. They are trying to make us safer in the hope we can get back to some form of normality, cut them a bit of slack man.
I tell you what, why don't you visit one of these centres and witness the operation for yourself.
I know you don't like the government or their party but don't you think this is above political point scoring and finger pointing. The bottom line is they are offering you, me and a lot of others a potential way out of this. Give it a chance.

i just posted about the blackburn incident to show everything is not all sweetness and light and not running like the pre war german rail network. its not a matter of supporting or not supporting the effort. i personally are not bothered as i am not getting vaccinated but her in the kitchen is. i do not want it not succeed as there are more that want it than do not. its not a way to beat down the tory party either. i actually have in the past voted tory in the blair days before i joined the abstainers. there are a number of politicians in this government who are attempting to do a good job, and as good as their labour counterparts or possibly better than they would have done. its the tory leader i have no time for more than the party. possibly the last politician i,d want at my dinner table to be honest.