My opinion is that Grey has got the strength to play regularly. If he hasn't then they club need to do something about that, but wrapping him up in cotton wool isn't the solution. I clearly have got more ambition than you, but I don't see how that can be seen as complaining. As for the rest of your post, you have just owned up to everything that the likes of myself and the other complainers have said about our supporters.

I have just come to the conclusion that most of our supporters don't just lack ambition , they are just thick.

I've suggested Grey will develop during the season. That's the right thing to do with a player like him and the club will be working with him on his strength and conditioning. Every supporter has ambition. Every season we have hope and optimism which is usually ground out of us at different rates, lke the vast majority of other clubs supporters. You just like telling other people that their ambition isn't good enough and yours is better for some reason, like you are some untapped fountain of football and business knowledge. Where's it got you so far exactly, sat in your Y-fronts tapping away or are you really Elon Musk in disguise? Welcome to the thick club Horden.

Mr Accy, you are a poet, sir.

having realistic ambitions is fine. think most of us would take being a good division 2 club or a mid table division 1 side. its just at the moment there is only a tunnel without a dim candle at the end of it for us. at least we are not living in the hope of a possibility of pools becoming a new bournemouth as some fans of one of our opponents do.

The three of you reinforcing each others opinions to the extent that it becomes reality in your own minds is really interesting to watch. Ambition, budgets, recruitment, facilities, income generation of clubs, historic debt, man management, luck, injuries, referees, momentum, confidence etc.all play a part. Unfortunately you three being more ambitious than the average supporter isn't going to crack it for us I'm afraid. Oh sod, it I'll jump on the ambition bus too, beep beep we should be top of the league, beep beep come on Raj double the club's debt and increase the size of the squad beep beep we should have won by more beep beep Joe Grey should play every minute beep beep we need league 1 standard players beep beep Jesper said Jet not naturally aspirated engine get rid of him beep beep I'm not paying for anything at the club while that lot are in charge my ambition is that we are taken over by Saudi Princes and I'm not setting foot in that place until it happens beep beep we should have proper chips cooked in dripping beep beep we should have a covered area under the Mill House for socially distanced ambition meetings when will things change beep beep etc beep parp parp toot toot

Bad loser alert

Shock.
Horror alert.
Our fans have to much ambition.
I remember the era of 1000 crowds being the norm at the Vic.
We were shite but at least the players gave 100% effort n commitment.
Nowadays 38 years later these players are the laziest uncommited players in the history of the club.
And yet the fans who moan get moaned at for moaning.
U cudent make this shit up.

Accy Stanley having a great season.
5 PTS behind leaders with 2 games in hand and above that big NE club that averaged about 30000 last season.
A prime example that poorly supported teams can have Ambitions n mix it with the so called big boys.

having a good owner making sensible money available to a trusted long term manager is a big help. they,d be another bury with raj around them and the managerial open door policy.

Thats why Raj needs to get it across to the players that the manager is going no where.
He can do this both internaly and publicly.

This gives the manager more time to assess the strengths of his squad, And character of
individuals.
There,s going to be more footballers unemployed at the end of this season than ever before
The players need to realise they are being looked after very well.

We are probobly the 4th biggest club in the non league, we would be by far the best supported team away with any sniff of promotion, yet we have fans who see us struggling against the altrinchams, workings, Torquay’s as totally acceptable. I think it’s the first time Torquay had beat us in years up here, yet we have fans just so content to watch another bunch of losers put in performance after performance that is just not acceptable. I believe Challinor knows it isn’t acceptable and I hope raj Singh sees where we are as unacceptable too. Some of our fans need to wake up and say hang on we need to be doing better, if everyone accepts this is the norm we will be here forever.

Just because it’s taken Wrexham years to get out of this league, it shouldn’t automatically mean its ok. Most club get back up pretty quickly and have done it on a few occasions.

One of the best ones I’ve heard recently is we have dodged a bullet with these lads that have taken over Wrexham? How can we have possibly have dodged a bullet? Can we not see the state of our own club now that has been stripped bare by raj, Only at Hartlepool could you you have fans not wanting rich backers but would rather have someone who is a disaster at running football clubs.

Same old shite alert. You don't read what people actually say before you start churning out the same old rubbish. I'm a bad loser of what exactly? You read my post. I'm on the ambition bus with you moaners now. Sod that, I'm driving it. Nothing is good enough. I mean you can't have too much blind ambition can you? That costs nothing does it, ambition? Thing is our fans have more intelligence than their given credit for. They also have pretty good memories too meaning they haven't got rose tinted spectacles. Nor do we believe Raj is bleeding the club dry. There's plenty of teams and plenty of players wo haven't given 100% for Pools over the years. Way too many. What about us over ambitious lot just supporting Man City and have done with it? Come on show your ambition.....

Make yourself an appointment at the doctors Double Figures, before its too late.

Come on it's never too late Horden, where's your ambition?

if fans ambition is low along with the players and managers its just a death for the club by small cuts. give it another 3 or 4 years of mid table obscurity then attendences will be sub 2,000. its easier to keep fans than get them back once they have left.

Spot on we are run like a part time outfit and we play like one. Hopefully one day someone will take the club by the scruff of the neck and actually do something about it.

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I remember the era of 1000 crowds being the norm at the Vic.
We were shite but at least the players gave 100% effort n commitment.
Nowadays 38 years later these players are the laziest uncommited players in the history of the club.

the fact is that these present players will think they are totally committed and hard working group of lads. knowing players of the past they actually believe the hype about them and think they have worked their socks off in games and training. we have all seen the type who go off in winter with their kit nearly as clean as they went out in. they really believe they put a shift in where we see otherwise.

It'll be you or me mate, when one of us cracks the euromillions jackpot.

Lowest crowd for me was 844 on December 22nd 1973 - freezing my nuts off in the Millhouse seats for a very unexpected 3-0 home win against Scunthorpe (start of a 20 game run that took Pools from bottom of the division to 8th at one point). For most of the 70s and 80s Pools were a really poor side that relied on re-election to keep the club in the football league more times than I care to remember.

One good reason our players could be relied on to show a bit of fighting spirit was that a lot of them were local lads who wouldn't dare show their faces around the town if they didn't at least get stuck in. I've been at the Vic loads of times when an angry crowd spurred the team to pull the coals out of the fire. That doesn't happen so much nowadays, what with car shares up to the ground for training and players who learned the game cocooned in an academy. No wonder there's been so much comment recently about what a negative atmosphere there is at the Vic. The game has changed but Hartlepool hasn't!

Or me, or maybe not. I was actually thinking the other day , if I won the Euromillions, would I spend it on Pools? I always said I would, but lately I'm having doubts. I think I would spend it on starting another club up, only this time a club that got things right and was ran correctly It saddens me to say this, but that's how I feel about the club currently, the current club is fooked, as I have said for many years now, a gradual decline, on a life support machine, with terminal cancer, where death is inevitable, just a matter of when.


No doubt someone will be looking in on this post and using this against me in the near future.

There's quite a few clubs gone under changed their names slightly and come back to life for the better.
Wimbledon
Aldershot
Halifax
Darlington
etc then there's the fan owned clubs quite a few higher than Pools in the football pyramid.
Then u get the small clubs with half the support of Pools quite regularly competing for promotion or a bit of end of season interest for the play off places.

I'd rather spend me euromillions starting again instead of paying off previous incompetent owners.

Same sort off steady progress like Salford.
Eventually holding our own in league One and the odd season of success at the top six area.
10 year plan.
UTP.

so would i as long as we could still have the vic. starting in the northern league and gaining back to back promotions would see us at our present level in about 5 seasons. at least we would be winning the majority of games which is far better than 5 seasons of stagnation and lower mid table obscurity which is all i can see at the present.

This is catching on , two directors already in place.

I've identified your role Mr H.
You will be in charge of scouting, with your own team, hand picked by yourself.

Thanks, where do I sign ?