Good interview, not getting carried away. Playing it cool, but sure inside, he was buzzing and relieved.

Wish the media lad would pick better locations to do the interviewing, was windy the other night, background noise in this one. Anyone hard of hearing would have difficulty picking up what was said.I know the floodlights and stands make a nice backdrop but if there is interference why not just do it behind closed doors?

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[quote="horden"]Good interview, not getting carried away. Playing it cool, but sure inside, he was buzzing and relieved.

Wish the media lad would pick better locations to do the interviewing, was windy the other night, background noise in this one. Anyone hard of hearing would have difficulty picking up what was said.I know the floodlights and stands make a nice backdrop but if there is interference why not just do it behind closed doors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVJ56pqd6rE

eh, can you say it again.

Technical problems mate, first link didnt work.

Get the impression DC would've preferred 0-1 or 0-2 rather than 1-3, that's my way of thinking, good teams get the 0-1s during a season, of course some good teams win things with 1-3s but a 0-1 is a sure thing, whereas a 1-3 gives the home team a way back. Had Yeovil scored within first 10 mins of second half, could've been a different game, I know that, I'm sure you do, and its refreshing to know DC thinks the same way. A perfectionist not happy with conceding a goal.

the problem with a 1-0 lead home or away is the pressure you know you are going to get from 80 minutes onwards. how many points have pools dropped since going non league pre dave challinor with a lead like that. it seemed to happen on a regular basis to me.

Of course that's true, but there are ways of winning 1-0 without being under pressure, I suppose that's what he's aiming for, obviously we are not good enough for that just yet. I imagine yesterday he was pleased they were under pressure, he wanted to see if they could cope, and they did. A 4th could've finished them off, but the risk was always a 2nd for them, could've seen us blow 2 pts or worse.

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Of course that's true, but there are ways of winning 1-0 without being under pressure, I suppose that's what he's aiming for,
not knocking challinor as a manager but like all managers sometimes its better to say less than more. it wasn,t as if in all his years at fylde he turned that club into a modern day arsenal where 1 nil became the norm. you do not want to get into a situation of having to outscore the opposition in stupid 4-3 type games every week but a bit of slack should have been given yesterday.

DC sounded a bit more chirpy and enthusiastic. It's obvious what a win can do. Hopefully the win has the same effect on the players. Any young striker at the big clubs watching our videos would be drooling over the chances we create and would surely relish the chance to get on the end of them. How do we get them to see what we're doing??

Isn’t Parkhouse a young player with a big club?

Parkhouse isn't good enough.

That’s what I mean he’s an example of what you get.

Hasnt looked any good so far, but he hasnt had a run in the team, I always maintain new signing should get at least 5 games on the spin. Talking of which , what has happend to Josh Macdonald? the clubs forgotten man.

Yes he is but he is not the only one, there are hundreds of them. We need to find one that fits our current need.
In reality, at the moment, Parkhouse is a Sheffield United striker who can't command a regular starting place at a national league club. Funnily enough his parent club are struggling to find the net, so maybe he has caught the bug.
I'd like to see him come good with us and I hope he does.
I was talking to a Blades season ticket holder the other day and he'd never heard of him or so he said.
Maybe the lack of reserve fixtures is a problem we never seem to talk about. At least those games were competitive with players busting a gut to get game time and impress.
I know there's a cost involved but a few reserve outings just might be the thing to get Luke Williams up to match fitness and make him believe that he can play a part in first team football. A few reserve games used to be the route back after injury. I've watched loads of such games involving the teams near me and Pools reserves or Juniors. At the Sheffield clubs, Rotherham, Donny, Scunny, Hull, Lincoln etc. There are none now. I remember watching a reserve match at North Ferriby united against Hull when Peter Taylor was manager at Hull. I was sat near him and we scored six. Boyd, back after his long injury, played about an hour. Young Foley got a hat trick. The stand out player that day was Michael Proctor. He ran the show.

but he,s the best type of striker a club at pools level are likely to get. if a top club have plenty of strikers on their books that need matches pools will be well down their pecking order regarding age and experiance we,d get.

A player from Fleetwood , on loan at Gateshead, scored a hat trick on his debut at the weekend, just saying like. Don't see the point of signing players on loan if you are not going to play them, and I keep asking , where the fook is Josh Macdonald?

[quote="horden"]A player from Fleetwood , on loan at Gateshead, scored a hat trick on his debut at the weekend, just saying like.
parkhouse and broomfield might score hat tricks for a side below our level. like i have said before both may be good players but not at this level yet. there are sunday league players who regularly get 40 goals a season but thats their level.

Grey might score a hat trick at our level, but you would have to play him first, if we are not going to play him, loan him out and lets see if he can score a hat trick at level below us.

It appears that Challinor does not think Grey is quite ready well if so loan him out a player of his age should be playing regularly. What about that other youth team player given a contract and then again McDonald.

he might not be ready to start games week in week out but certainly shows he deserves a place on the bench even at his age.

If hes good enough hes old enough, thats what I say. What I meant about the the other youngster on loan at Gateshead. is , if he can score a hat trick in NLN maybe he can score one goal in the NL. Personally I have always thought not much difference between an 18 year old at Fleetwood and an 18 year old at Pools, likewise an academy player at Sheff U and a 18-20 old at Fleetwood or Pools, its after this age things change. Don't rate a lot of these Premier academy players, spoiled and soft .a lot of them live off the fact they started off at Sheff U for years after they leave , before the penny drops with clubs that they are not good enough. Much better at our level are players working their way up, starting say in the Northern League, then Evo Stik, National League and even the Football League, tougher and better attitude a lot of the time.

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. Personally I have always thought not much difference between an 18 year old at Fleetwood and an 18 year old at Pools, likewise an academy player at Sheff U and a 18-20 old at Fleetwood or Pools, its after this age things change.
the only real difference is that higher up the leagues they have bigger scouting systems and the better players are picked off the tree at a younger age. the plus side in a pools youth team lad is that they will be much more excited about a first team pools debut than a loanee who is only going to be at the club for a few months anyway. loan players, especially the young ones, are bigger gambles than free transfer ones.

Agree, certainly seems to be the case with us over the years. Obvously the superstars who go on to play for England come from academy systems, and basically it seems that's what they are set up for, the odd one ends up in the first team, another one gets sold on for a profit, the majority get their necks wrung , my Grandad used a similar formula for winning pigeon races. Also the players playing in NLN probably started off in an academy somewhere, but got binned at 15 or 16, etc , then end up at either Pools youth ( or used to ) or start in Northern League or NLN etc

actually crewe youth structure got a lot of publicity from the media about bringing on players. a good number like david platt were actually with other clubs especiaaly liverpool at a younger age before ending up there. not sure if hignett was at another club either before he started at crewe. for me that way should be the pools way anyway. far more cost affective just for a start.

Agree, only we don't play our young players

Which young players haven’t we played. Brown, James, Walker, Jones, Richardson, Hawkes, that’s of the top of my head all got chances. I can go further back to the sixties with, Roberts, Herring and a few more then there was thelLinighans in fact the more I think about it I could fill a page.

Grey, Simpson, Jonny Rowell to name three, obviously if I could be bothered I could find more, obviously in the past we have played young players, but why be pedantic? I am talking about recent times, the here and now, not the past , when we were shite LOL !

But some of the players I mentioned are not in the past but I again ask who have we not given a chance to who has proved us wrong. As I said you can go back years and fill this page up and not all the time we were rubbish.

I just give you 3 names, Grey , Simpson, Rowell

Rowell and Simpson were given first team chances. Simpson was sold whilst just breaking through but there again where is he now, Preston let him go quite quickly, he was loaned to a number of teams and did nothing and is now in Ireland. Well we got a daft £50K for him. As for Rowell went to Belgium and as far as I know vanished. As for Grey he may still get his chance he has been given a contract so we have to wait and see. Obviously Challinor, a totally inexperienced manager, who sees him in training every day, does not think he is ready for regular first team football.
Sorry to repeat myself to say Pools never give young players a chance is a myth if I sat down and put my thinking cap on I could fill this page. I say again what young player did we release and was successful elsewhere, I appreciate there will be someone I cannot think of but this happens at all clubs. One success I can think of is Venus but he refused a contract here.

We can all suggest who should or shouldn't be selected but DC has the last word. All I ask for is someone who can convert the chances we create. It might be Grey, who knows but whoever it is it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

I’m not saying don’t give Grey a chance all I’m saying is that I disagree with Horden (if you dare) that Pools don’t give youth a chance. I fully agree that if you are good enough you are old enough. The records show that Pools do give youth a chance.

My post was a general observation Mr J. It wasn't a dig at you.

I took it as a general observation. No problem

No they don't , certainly not in recent seasons.

Well come on name who has not been given a chance. I have covered the three you mentioned above.

There's a few I could think of that weren't given enough gametime for me....Catterick, Bale, Cunningham, Miller, Hawkes, Scott, Murphy, Pritchard, Blackford, Adeloye, Owen, Orrell....all of whom were deemed good enough to be included in the first team squad for a season or sometimes 3 but only warmed the bench in the main. Yes some may have not been good enough but were not really given the chance (in the first team) to show that.

they get a chance, some are not persevered with whilst others like simpson might have run before they learned to walk properly. pools over the last ten years have not really had a first team side that was suitable to bringing on youth team players anyway. when experianced players are struggling what do people expect kids to do to impact the game.

Paulas mentions 12 players the managers did not believe up to first team football. Some weren’t even good enough to be given contracts. How many have proved the manager wrong? I know one or two left of their own accord.
I do agree with Accrington it is hard to bring young players on in our position but that goes for all clubs at our level. How many ‘kids’ do you see in our league. It’s easier to bring in young loan players who are generally better than our youths, then again they are a gamble but you can at least send them back.

I fully respect Paulas opinion football is a game of opinions. I presume by most of the names he mentions he must be a regular at youth team games which I admit I’m not. If so does he honestly believe these kids were up to first team football?

It's maybe a bit early to be writing off Grey's and MacDonald's chances of breaking into the first team as Pools have yet to complete 10 games and there are bound to be more twists and turns with injuries, suspensions and loss of form. MacDonald looked the part at Ilkeston and got another chance in the Salford cup tie, but for me he didn't really show anything and got hooked early by the manager. It's up to him to grab his next opportunity.

On the other hand I do think Challinor makes too much of the fact that Joe Grey is 'only' 17. So was Luke James when he was banging in the goals for Pools in League One.

Purple patch has hardly scored since. Daft £500k though. Grey still has plenty of time but at his age needs to be playing games. Let’s be honest unless you went to youth team games we’ve hardly seen him.

Joe Tait, Dan Jones another two

I did and I have , he's good enough.

Yes I do attend some of the youth team games as it's in my own village, but I'm not one of these who judges a player on what he's done since he left Pools. A lot of these youngsters have their dreams shattered by rejection and therefore never fulfill their full potential, and some players play better/raise their game in the first team compared to the reserves/youths and vice versa. But then again I don't see them in training or their general attitude behind the scenes. If only one makes it out of 12 surely that's a bonus, but if they don't get gametime/opportunities you will never get to find out.

By you’ve scraped the bottom of the barrel there Horden, Joe Tait, been all over the place. Probably just better than a Northern League player. Jones been all over the place has probably turned into a very average L2 player at best. Who was worried when we let them go.

By the way Jones played over 30games for Pools so you can’t say he wasn’t given a chance.

You really are a stubborn old git Johjo, ok you may have a point with Jones, but you just don't get it do you?. What I am trying to say, and this is the last I will say on the matter, as its impossible to get through to you, is Pools over the last 10 years have consistently failed to give promising youngsters a chance, whether thats by not giving them a debut, or giving them a debut but not a run of games in the side or giving them a debut , a run in the side but playing them out of position or in multiple positions. Your counter arguments about the Linighans etc are groundless, Pools at that time and others, when they didnt have a pot to piss in, throwed youngsters in, because they could barely field a team, no doubt ruining potentially promising careers in the process. Youngsters were given the chance during the IOR years, but it is easier and is the ideal time to blood youngsterws when both club and team are doing well on the pitch.

Me. Are you for real? You support a Non League club, and then castigate a player we once let go, because.. Err!! he is only an average Football League 2 player at best ! Fook me

there must be litrally 100,s of youth team players released every season from clubs at pools level upwards. there is actually more chance of meeting some of these in local saturday and sunday morning football in a few years time than actually seeing em at another league or top non league club. these lads seem a bit better than their team mates but only a bit better.

Well Horden we obviously have different opinions on this subject. I will finish by saying that during the last 10yrs the players who deserved a chance got one. During that time we had about 15 different managers who all seem to be of the same opinion.