Could barely make out what DC was saying.
Combination of the wind and he talks really quiet.
Anyone with super ears know what he was on about.

From 5.30 onwards, pretty interesting. Had clearly read comments of people questioning Williams starting on Eastleigh pitch. Puts them to bed.

He also mentions if things don't go the way he wants them to, he will 'walk away from the football club, no problem'. Also that blaming people 'tends to happen a little too much round here' in relation to scapegoating from fans.

I do hope Challinor isn't preparing to throw the towel in. Pretty much the only thing giving supporters hope at the moment. The negative comments from fans is driven from years of being ground down by a small dose of hope, followed by crushing disappointment.

I honestly think if results don't improve , Raj will beat him to it. It didn't sound good, with the first utterings of resignation in his voice. I don't get this covering up for Williams, why not just admit he's fooked, offer the lad a job somewhere within the club and move on. Supporters want to see their club winning games, why would they accept having a player on the books who is getting paid and not playing?.

I like DC and want it to work out for him, but he is making a rod for his own back lately , he has signed the wrong players , picking the wrong team and playing the wrong formation. I like Challinor but he seems to have lost the plot these last few weeks with all the chopping and changing. Shelton dropped , Holohan in , Holohan out, same with Ofusu, Grey has just vanished, not even on the bench, when did Crawford earn his place in the side, I must've missed that game. Macdonald hardly had a sniff, looked sharp and aggressive when came on at Ilkeston, never been seen since, Dropping Killip, that will do his fragile confidence the world of good. No doubt the Tombola will be out again for the Yeovil game. Overall I dont think the squad is good enough, but DC is not even managing to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal.

When he was settled on his best 11 at the back end of last season, it's the best we've played for donkeys years.

This team isn’t a patch on the one that finished last season. We cannot go another 35 games with this forward line, it will not only get Challinor sacked, it will get us in a relegation battle.

Ravas
Cass Johnson Magloire Ferguson
Macdonald Featherstone (captain) Shelton Molyneux
Parkhouse Grey

Subs Killip Odusina, Donaldson, Holohan, Ofusu

442

Change the captain

He’s just saying he and the players share the disappointment, leave him to it and stop having a pop at the players and talking nonsense on social media Was what I think he was saying, as no doubt the players, the manager and the chairman read it and it doesn’t help. Ultimately if things don’t go well he will take the blame and he knows that. That’s when he would go. That’s football. Trying to read anything else in to what he said is pointless. We all want more communication with the team and the manager. We won’t get it if every time they talk to us it is misinterpreted or criticised. The manager is best placed to understand the squad. Even though we didnt win the football is better. I think he’ll get it right. It’s going to be a long difficult season. If the group of players stick together they can turn things round I’m sure. They’ll watch the game today no doubt and we go again. I hope more people Feel able to post on here and we can present a balanced view. UTP

you are right. been thinking about dave challinor now for a couple of weeks. he,s got a big problem with pools that he just has never faced as a manager. after years at fylde where he was in a position to more or less sign up any non league player he wanted he,s reached a new situation of the complete opposite. if he does get some sniff of an offer somewhere else he,d be a fool to turn it down. then what would be the next step for pools. can the club actually sustain a team of full timers at the moment. a team of hal full timers and half part timers may be the way forward at present.

They may read it, but they obviously take no notice of it. Fine , if they then go on to win, but a bit silly if they continue to lose. Of course DC wont like it , just fans criticising would rather not have to post it. Its part of life Im afraid, people used to do this on the street / in the pub, now its social media , love it or loathe it, DC and Singh have to accept this , and I think DC does to be fair.

I think DC is realising what the rest of us already know, that the club is cursed, as soon as we start to see some progress something crops up to kick us in the stotts.
It's always been the case, long term injuries, behind the scenes unrest, lack of funds, wantaway players or managers, just constant as long as I've followed the club. That damn Monkey must've put the hex on us.

Of course they can sustain a team of full timers.

1500 STs sold
Money from various fans groups
Money from BT , streaming, and FA Cup
Hardly any staff to pay, the few staff they had were either let go or furloughed up until recently.
Money from sale of replica strips

They should be in a reasonable position financially, and thats for a club that is badly run and could if run properly make a lot more money.

Anyone got Hignetts mobile number?

That's the thing though. If Challinor goes what's the alternative? Neil Cooper is no longer with us, Craig Hignett is still owed money, Matthew Bates from what I can tell has dropped off the face of the earth.

The only two options I can realistically think of is McGuckin or Sweeney. To be fair Sweeney could be a good shout though considering I think hes unbeaten as a manager.

Solution is us thumping Yeovil on Saturday and going on a big unbeaten run!

so why are pools are still more or less just treading water in this league. its the debt the club are in which will always hold it back. we have a ground, a fan base that clubs like even solihull could even just dream about. so we are doing it with some cheap underperforming full timers and loanees. it just is not working and when something is not working then other areas should be looked at. somehow this debt needs reducing to a sustainable level and without any sizeable investment in the club the best thing that will happen is going through the same arguements season after season.

:Results business.
Not to good and you gunna get a bit of greef.
Good you take the plaudids.
Very good or Promotion = you become a hpool legend forever.
I think our fans are giving the club plenty of slack given the last 4453 days of bilge.

I did warn about Challinor sending signals of disenchantment out and that, until we start taking chances, we will be sighing over what might have been.
At the moment we show signs of playing decent football and creating chances but absolutely no signs of the ability to take them.
Nobody can really argue with that but will anybody do anything to solve that problem. Well if anybody has any intention or sorting the problem they better start quickly.
I don't know how Raj is fixed financially or even if he intends to "loan " any more cash but he has to decide how far he is willing to dig into his pockets because he appears to hold all the strings, including the purse strings.
DC says the flak has to stop at him. Reality says that the fans watch the players perform and react accordingly. He needn't worry though because his turn for flak will surely come if we continue sliding down the table.

suppose thats a good sum up of pools. remeber if you have never owned or driven a bentley you do not mind jumping into a fiesta all the time.

The manager, raj and the players would be Hartlepool legends if they won this league, they should remember that. Unfortunately if you want to do that you have to have the finances for it. The standard of our summer signings where nothing short of a joke for one of the biggest clubs in the conference, Halifax reserve, notts county reserve, lad from Royston an under 21, we would of needed a miracle to mould them into one of the best teams in this league, we are now paying the price for the bargain basements.

After what the manager had to say about Luke Williams training well for months then imagining he had broken down again when he really hadn't, there's no alternative but to send him out to a Northern League side - or Blyth if Micky Nelson will have him. He needs to test himself in competitive games - or accept that it's time to hang up his boots. There's too much at stake at Pools to have him anywhere near a match day squad when he can't be trusted to perform.

You would think they would be better off sending him on loan first.

Said so weeks ago.

Is that a rhetorical question? if not. you know why ? I have outlined it on here enough, not just lack of finances, but being well run on and off the field, ambition and belief amongst supporters are three that spring to mind, but there are others, unfortunately we have none of them in abundance at the moment, and probably never will, as you say going over the same old thing season after season, though I think someone said that several seasons ago.

It’s not money that brings success. Certainly not on its own. It’s getting the right structure and the right management team. Putting that in place means you’ve got half a chance. We’ve not had that for a while. I think we have it now and they should be given time to get things right. That doesn’t make me anything more than a supporter with realistic ambitions. If some get satisfaction from saying I told you so if things go wrong then so be it. Looking back on the game we created chances, loads of corners, ball bouncing around in the box. Parkhouse was isolated and bypassed a wee bit but he and the rest of the team put the effort in which is what I want to see.

Money does bring success, money allows you to put the structures in place that guarantee success, maybe not instantly but eventually. Also effort doesn't win games, goals do. I don't get satisfaction from saying I told you so, but I wont be silenced from having an opinion and will happily volunteer my thoughts on how things could be improved. I wont defend the indefensible like some.

Instead of slagging me off and sucking Challinor and Singhs dick , lets see your starting 11 for Saturday and formation.

Really?
Torquay seem to be making a good fist of it,with a team full of rejects & has beens.
One of them a 36 year old forward,apparently at the fag end of his career.
There are a few teams doing a lot better than us,who haven't got a lot to piss in.

I've only "watched" Pools once this season and that was the Ilkeston game on the box. I have, however, listened to most of the commentaries from the other games and although we seem to have played quite well in the majority of cases, it's bleedin' obvious we are unable to put our chances away when in the ascendency and have paid the consequence.

Was it really a coincidence to have DC standing in front of that particular sign?

You’re a class act. You must be a multi millionaire with all this management knowledge you have. Are you upset because I dont want to suck yours horden? I imagine it’s easily accessible just above your eyebrows? I’ll run with whatever DC thinks for Saturday as he’s got almost as many coaching badges as you I believe.

He's probably not an ex assistant manager, unlike yourself.

Quite a few mixed views on why we are so shit.
That's how it shud be a bit of humerous banter.
Most of non League football is full of rejects has beens n young wannabes and crocks.
More or less a level playing field id say.
So you would think it's mainly down to how good the manager is to make a club successful.


In the last decade we've had managers who hav done well at their previous clubs then come to Pools to end their career in failure.
Dave Jones
Ronnie Moore
Richard Money to name a few.

Give the job to Mr Horden with Eddie Kyle as his assistant

If that doesn't work just accept we gunna stay non League shit forever.
It's only a game.

Horden has all the attributes but he can’t handle the media pressure.

Very true ! Money does help, but at this level, success can be achieved without it.

Sounds like a plan Fancy the kitmans job KPG?

You have hit the nail on the head there, COACHING BADGES. Do you honestly think having coaching badges makes someone the font of all knowledge on the game? that someone who has just watched the game as a spectator for 50 years , and played for and only managed a Sunday League league team knows nothing and can't share a valid opinion on the game.


Do you believe that ? REALLY !

Apologies for the late reply. I have was hungover most of yesterday, having drank too much Champagne after the Wrexham game

remember things could be worse, we could support chesterfield.

There won't be much difference between us and Chesterfield at the end of the day.

We were in a false position when we were top, there are teams at the bottom who are probably in a false position, such as Yeovil and Barnet.

I remember Carlisle top of Div 1 after 3 games

Horden, you’re trying to create an argument which doesn’t exist. Nowhere have I said that you can’t share your opinion. How you choose to do that and the language you use towards those who don’t agree with you is also up to you. It really doesn’t reflect on me. So if I disagree with you I’ll take one of the management team’s members out of my mouth and type something eh? How long did you manage for by the way?

I believe you have implied it. It's difficult to avoid having arguments with someone who clearly doesn't like you. You have always been on my case; it was the same under your old username. We see things differently , therefore we disagree, its not a problem for me, I have spent my entire life in the minority, but clearly it is for you. Fortunately for me I'm not a hater, I speak my mind, you either like what I say or you don't, Its doesn't help that I am mostly proved correct but hey ho , I don't bare grudges.

Time to move on , as I'm sure other board members are getting tired of our spat, I know I am.

Its a message board. I don’t know you. You post messages and people respond It not. That’s how it works. I’ve never had a different user name on this site. And never rule anything out, I could get to like you one day. Never say die.

He's confusing you with me. Presumably that means that the homosexual slur from the nice man who doesn't bear grudges was also meant for me. When I mentioned my old user name he said something like "I thought you were one of my former adversaries" which is an odd way to describe 20 or 30 posts out of the thousands I made in nearly 10 years.

Back in the day there were many more active posters than there are now and also an 'Ignore' button that I dearly wish was still around so that I could make use of it.

I was actually, but apart from that the same post can apply to you both, you both obviously hang up on here together anyway.

By all means ignore me, that way I win

Well that clears that up. I think I’ll keep posting, you know, despite the lewd comments and accusations.

Apologies. I sense we're at an impasse now, where we can hopefully move on, continuing to disagree of course , but in a more respectful way. For our sins , we all support the same club.

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You have hit the nail on the head there, COACHING BADGES. Do you honestly think having coaching badges makes someone the font of all knowledge on the game?
back to reality i do think any ex player who has these what i think are not necessary badges anyway will look back at their own playing days more than anything else regarding tactics and motovation of players. it will be jobs for the boys anyway who run these courses which i imagine would be far different from the ones took say 20 years ago. if they are anything like referees courses the main thing they,ll leard about are giant piles of bullshit.

Talking of reffing, I was a qualified ref as well, think I got 97% in my test, more than Howard Webb LOL ! At least a supporter can say they played football albeit Sunday League or whatever , but no one I knew ever played Referee, when you were kids no one ever said lets play referee, or I want to be the ref, yet for all that, supporters and managers who are not qualified offer all sorts of opinions on the performance of the ref, yet no one pulls them up and says " you are not qualified " as they imply when a supporter hasn't any coaching badges.

before all this coaching badge stuff came into being fans were then criticised by managers and coaches as never having played the game{the game means in their case as the pro game}. even those that did were told that the game is different now. the attitude eventually led to a form of closed shop in the pro game. as long as you have played the game regularly at any standard then your views are worth taking note of. you only play say sunday league because you know how to play but have not the fitness, ability or mental toughness to play any higher.

I don't have refereeing qualifications but I have a pair of eyes. I can see some of the treatment dished out by players and teams in our league which obviously should not be allowed and can see the officials ignore it, I sometimes wonder that perhaps I'm better qualified that the so called qualified. I see players deliberately pinch yards at throw ins, deliberately hold on to other players, especially at corners, free kicks etc and I see the officials deliberately ignore it. Just like they ignore blatant time wasting and allow the narks in football to hound them at every opportunity.
I could go on but I think my drift is clear.
Good referees are in the background and bad referees seem to think the game is all about them.

have you ever wondered why things like you have mentioned go on week in week out in every single game. apart from many modern days refs looking alike they all ref alike. before the season starts unless it changed over the last 2 they have a meeting with all officials of the leagues they officiate in. they are told what to concentrate on and what to more or less ignore unless it gets too blatent. the idea in principle is good if they only controlled the game the way the majority of managers and fans wanted em to do in the first place. it was done to get some uniformity in the game to stop having a situation of people saying last weeks bloke would do this that and the other and this ones totally opposite. might actually be better allowing refs to control the game as they themselves see fit like the old days when it was fans saying oh no not him again or the other at least we have a decent ref today.